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I wouldn't shed a tear if we were to get rid of Agger and the Greek in favour of one CB who can dominate in the air and isn't a complete turd on the deck. I think it's an important step we must take.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42314.msg1200478#msg1200478 date=1287455130]
We've got Carra, Skrtel, Greek, Agger, Wilson and Ayala as centre back options.
We have 1 decent striker.
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Two aren't ready, one is past it despite what everyone here says, one is made of glass, one is a poor man's Vidic and one is quite decent.
Btw you missed Kelly.
We've got Carra, Skrtel, Greek, Agger, Wilson and Ayala as centre back options.
We have 1 decent striker.
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Two aren't ready, one is past it despite what everyone here says, one is made of glass, one is a poor man's Vidic and one is quite decent.
Btw you missed Kelly.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42314.msg1200478#msg1200478 date=1287455130]
We've got Carra, Skrtel, Greek, Agger, Wilson and Ayala as centre back options.
We have 1 decent striker.
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Two aren't ready, one is past it despite what everyone here says, one is made of glass, one is a poor man's Vidic and one is quite decent.
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Whereas Gary Cahill is what, Franco fucking Baresi?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42314.msg1200478#msg1200478 date=1287455130]
We've got Carra, Skrtel, Greek, Agger, Wilson and Ayala as centre back options.
We have 1 decent striker.
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Two aren't ready, one is past it despite what everyone here says, one is made of glass, one is a poor man's Vidic and one is quite decent.
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Whereas Gary Cahill is what, Franco fucking Baresi?
Haha @ Chris Samba... the conversion of Liverpool football club to a midtable club like Fulham will well and truly be completed.
But I have got to say, If Gerrard had been performing as poorly as Carra recently, people would not be half as sympathetic towards Gerrard keeping his place as an untouchable.
He is the best defender at out club only based on past reputation. On performance alone, he hasn't really stood out in a very average backline.
Either we need to get a Significantly better defender than Agger/Skirtl and also Johnson/Konchesky to play alongside Carra or replace Carra and find another stopper who does not get caught for lack of pace and concede as many fouls as Carra does. This has come to bite us big time since last year. I think it is not a temporary loss of form based on how long this has carried on.
Without becoming more stable at the back, we will not solve our attacking woes. If that means some hard decisions being taken, i'm all for it.....
But I have got to say, If Gerrard had been performing as poorly as Carra recently, people would not be half as sympathetic towards Gerrard keeping his place as an untouchable.
He is the best defender at out club only based on past reputation. On performance alone, he hasn't really stood out in a very average backline.
Either we need to get a Significantly better defender than Agger/Skirtl and also Johnson/Konchesky to play alongside Carra or replace Carra and find another stopper who does not get caught for lack of pace and concede as many fouls as Carra does. This has come to bite us big time since last year. I think it is not a temporary loss of form based on how long this has carried on.
Without becoming more stable at the back, we will not solve our attacking woes. If that means some hard decisions being taken, i'm all for it.....
There is a reason why we ship in easy goals, and thats because we're lacking one world class centre back. Kyrigiakos should leave, and Skrtel should follow him.
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
We definitely need a new centre back. I ain't convinced by Skrtel, Agger is never fit and Soto is too slow.
We also desperately need another striker as Ryan said.
Why the fuck isn't Danny Wilson getting a go tho? He was playing for Rangers so surely can take the pace of first team footy
We also desperately need another striker as Ryan said.
Why the fuck isn't Danny Wilson getting a go tho? He was playing for Rangers so surely can take the pace of first team footy
Carragher is our best and most reliable out and out defender.
Eventually when he does retire or leave all those people who have been desperate to get rid of him for years will be delighted for about a week and then, like with Hyypia, will realise what an important player we've lost.
Eventually when he does retire or leave all those people who have been desperate to get rid of him for years will be delighted for about a week and then, like with Hyypia, will realise what an important player we've lost.
Butbutbut . . . we need to get rid of Carra so that Lucas can really blossom.
And that mug Gerrard. They're holding him back!
And that mug Gerrard. They're holding him back!
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42314.msg1200547#msg1200547 date=1287472608]
There is a reason why we ship in easy goals, and thats because we're lacking one world class centre back. Kyrigiakos should leave, and Skrtel should follow him.
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
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The reason we're shipping goals is because we sit deep and allow the opposition to play in our half. We should be pressing the ball high up the pitch as we've done for numrous years before, that was why we shipped fewer goals and had an award winning keeper with the best clean sheets record.
There is a reason why we ship in easy goals, and thats because we're lacking one world class centre back. Kyrigiakos should leave, and Skrtel should follow him.
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
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The reason we're shipping goals is because we sit deep and allow the opposition to play in our half. We should be pressing the ball high up the pitch as we've done for numrous years before, that was why we shipped fewer goals and had an award winning keeper with the best clean sheets record.
i'd want all of kelly, ayala and wilson to be given a proper go at centre-half before we splash out on an expensive new defender - like ryan said, we've more pressing concerns right now.
we just need to be bold with the youngsters, and realise it's worth a few mistakes if we have even a 20% chance of getting a top-class defender for free. if it wasn't for that kind of opportunity then carra himself - never the most naturally gifted footballer - might never have made it with us.
we just need to be bold with the youngsters, and realise it's worth a few mistakes if we have even a 20% chance of getting a top-class defender for free. if it wasn't for that kind of opportunity then carra himself - never the most naturally gifted footballer - might never have made it with us.
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Butbutbut . . . we need to get rid of Carra so that Lucas can really blossom.
And that mug Gerrard. They're holding him back!
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Also Torres clearly doesn't understand how to make incisive runs for lucas to pass to
Butbutbut . . . we need to get rid of Carra so that Lucas can really blossom.
And that mug Gerrard. They're holding him back!
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Also Torres clearly doesn't understand how to make incisive runs for lucas to pass to
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42314.msg1200547#msg1200547 date=1287472608]
There is a reason why we ship in easy goals, and thats because we're lacking one world class centre back. Kyrigiakos should leave, and Skrtel should follow him.
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
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The reason we're shipping goals is because we sit deep and allow the opposition to play in our half. We should be pressing the ball high up the pitch as we've done for numrous years before, that was why we shipped fewer goals and had an award winning keeper with the best clean sheets record.
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Agree with this.
Kind of reminds of the situation when someone (think it was Kenny) was asked who he thought his best defender was.
His answer was Ian Rush.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42314.msg1200547#msg1200547 date=1287472608]
There is a reason why we ship in easy goals, and thats because we're lacking one world class centre back. Kyrigiakos should leave, and Skrtel should follow him.
Bring in a big central defender with some pace that can deal with the aerial threat that the Premiership teams throw at us.
How many headed goals or crosses have found their way into our net? A LOT!
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The reason we're shipping goals is because we sit deep and allow the opposition to play in our half. We should be pressing the ball high up the pitch as we've done for numrous years before, that was why we shipped fewer goals and had an award winning keeper with the best clean sheets record.
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Agree with this.
Kind of reminds of the situation when someone (think it was Kenny) was asked who he thought his best defender was.
His answer was Ian Rush.
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the_khl
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Sell Skrtel and Kyrgiakos and get someone like Hangeland in and then promote one of the youngsters. Done.
To many mediocre players thoughout the team though so we're obviously going to get rid and bolster elsewhere as well.
We obviously lack a new striker but I'm simply fed up watching players like Skrtel and Kyrgiakos playing week in week out as they are simply not good enough. Neither is Lucas, Maxi, Jova, Ngog, Konchesky or Babel I'm affraid. I've always got a soft spot for Babel and I even think the Greek's done a good enough job and as anyone else I was happy with Maxi for most parts of last Season. However now is the time to get rid of the deadwood and give the new owners and a new manager the possibility to build a new team around the few world class-players we've got left.
*If Agger stays unfit for another Season he should follow those mentioned above even though he's a class act. Doesn't really help if he's constantly injured of course. Aurelio should proabably leave for good too as he's making Agger look like he's made of rock.
**Poulsen on current form doesn't qualify to wear the Liverpool-shirt either.
To many mediocre players thoughout the team though so we're obviously going to get rid and bolster elsewhere as well.
We obviously lack a new striker but I'm simply fed up watching players like Skrtel and Kyrgiakos playing week in week out as they are simply not good enough. Neither is Lucas, Maxi, Jova, Ngog, Konchesky or Babel I'm affraid. I've always got a soft spot for Babel and I even think the Greek's done a good enough job and as anyone else I was happy with Maxi for most parts of last Season. However now is the time to get rid of the deadwood and give the new owners and a new manager the possibility to build a new team around the few world class-players we've got left.
*If Agger stays unfit for another Season he should follow those mentioned above even though he's a class act. Doesn't really help if he's constantly injured of course. Aurelio should proabably leave for good too as he's making Agger look like he's made of rock.
**Poulsen on current form doesn't qualify to wear the Liverpool-shirt either.
i have recently aquired a preference for skrtel over agger.
i also think we really need a world class centre back to boss the centre.
i also think we really need a world class centre back to boss the centre.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=42314.msg1200688#msg1200688 date=1287482862]
i have recently aquired a preference for skrtel over agger.
i also think we really need a world class centre back to boss the centre.
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Fair enough. I think Skrtel looks scaringly mediocre every time I see him play. At best he should be a 3rd or 4th choice at a club of our stature.
He's awful in his positioning - look at Evertons first goal amongst many others - his only focus is on the ball hence he leaves acres of space for Cahill behind him. This is probably his worst ability.
He's far to rash. He often throws himself at opponets instead of simply anticipate the play and then make his challenge. He's a big strong lad and there's no need for this apparent eagerness of his.
He's decent on the ball and quite assured hitting those short passes however he's nowhere near as realiable as Agger when it comes to moving the ball out on the ground. With Agger fit and playing in central we're easing the pressure on our midfielders to bring the ball forward. It often even gives us the edge in numbers too when he's moving forward.
Agger actually chips in now and then albeit it's been awhile since his last goal.
Both aren't good enough in the air. Skrtel's slight advantage in strength over Agger simply doesn't weigh up the fact that's he's go to many defensive flaws.
i have recently aquired a preference for skrtel over agger.
i also think we really need a world class centre back to boss the centre.
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Fair enough. I think Skrtel looks scaringly mediocre every time I see him play. At best he should be a 3rd or 4th choice at a club of our stature.
He's awful in his positioning - look at Evertons first goal amongst many others - his only focus is on the ball hence he leaves acres of space for Cahill behind him. This is probably his worst ability.
He's far to rash. He often throws himself at opponets instead of simply anticipate the play and then make his challenge. He's a big strong lad and there's no need for this apparent eagerness of his.
He's decent on the ball and quite assured hitting those short passes however he's nowhere near as realiable as Agger when it comes to moving the ball out on the ground. With Agger fit and playing in central we're easing the pressure on our midfielders to bring the ball forward. It often even gives us the edge in numbers too when he's moving forward.
Agger actually chips in now and then albeit it's been awhile since his last goal.
Both aren't good enough in the air. Skrtel's slight advantage in strength over Agger simply doesn't weigh up the fact that's he's go to many defensive flaws.
I'd like to know the reason we would be able to buy either of them due to:
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42314.msg1200733#msg1200733 date=1287489696]
I'd like to know the reason we would be able to buy either of them due to:
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.[/quote]
I agree mate.
We've got quite a number of positions that need taking care of first before we should look to buy in another CB.
I'd like to know the reason we would be able to buy either of them due to:
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.[/quote]
I agree mate.
We've got quite a number of positions that need taking care of first before we should look to buy in another CB.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42314.msg1200553#msg1200553 date=1287473039]
Carragher is our best and most reliable out and out defender.
Eventually when he does retire or leave all those people who have been desperate to get rid of him for years will be delighted for about a week and then, like with Hyypia, will realise what an important player we've lost.
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Are you denying that he has had a clear drop in form? At some point in his career, Carra was better than all the other defenders we have at our club, but not on current form.
Comparison with Sami is not suitable here because,
1. Sami never looked/played like he was in the middle of a major dip in form
2. His strengths (ability to deal with balls over the top and ability to read the game), were not something that could decline with age.
Carragher is our best and most reliable out and out defender.
Eventually when he does retire or leave all those people who have been desperate to get rid of him for years will be delighted for about a week and then, like with Hyypia, will realise what an important player we've lost.
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Are you denying that he has had a clear drop in form? At some point in his career, Carra was better than all the other defenders we have at our club, but not on current form.
Comparison with Sami is not suitable here because,
1. Sami never looked/played like he was in the middle of a major dip in form
2. His strengths (ability to deal with balls over the top and ability to read the game), were not something that could decline with age.
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42314.msg1200733#msg1200733 date=1287489696]
I'd like to know the reason we would be able to buy either of them due to:
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.[/quote]
I agree mate.
We've got quite a number of positions that need taking care of first before we should look to buy in another CB.
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Ah yes but that wouldn't quite fit in with the need that some seem to have to constantly try to prove that Carra is past it would it?
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42314.msg1200733#msg1200733 date=1287489696]
I'd like to know the reason we would be able to buy either of them due to:
a) lack of money
b) We've already got 6 CB's at the club
There's one thing hypothesising about things because they *might* happen but I don't see the point if they are never likely to happen.
As someone said previously, we have Wilson and Kelly who are apparently two of the best prospects coming through from the ressies. They should be getting a go first before we spend money on an area ahead of strikers.[/quote]
I agree mate.
We've got quite a number of positions that need taking care of first before we should look to buy in another CB.
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Ah yes but that wouldn't quite fit in with the need that some seem to have to constantly try to prove that Carra is past it would it?
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