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if the new manager said he had a 5 year plan...

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how would that make you feel?

i.e. if he straight out said the plan is long term development of youth at the expense of short term silverware.
 
Concerned. Rafa's already put a lot of time and effort into getting that side of the club right. I like the look of what he's done so far (new people in charge, better results from the ressies, signing youngsters whom other big clubs were also after) and I'd be hoping that his successor could build on it, rather than have to put all our eggs in that basket and start from scratch again.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39468.msg1075502#msg1075502 date=1269366288]
Ecstatic as it'd mean we had a new manager.
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ha ha
 
It'd be extremely worrying. Torres and Gerrard would be past their peak, with Gerrard on the verge of retiring when this plan may or may not come to fruition.

We need a new manager to come in straight away and sort us out immediately. Massive ask.
 
Rafa never made a '5 year plan'.

Liverpool fans in particular seem quite obsessed with this notion ever since Houllier uttered the words.

It's not the norm.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39468.msg1075523#msg1075523 date=1269371691]
It'd be extremely worrying. Torres and Gerrard would be past their peak, with Gerrard on the verge of retiring when this plan may or may not come to fruition.

We need a new manager to come in straight away and sort us out immediately. Massive ask.
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Their plan might be to win the league years 1 to 5.
 
Looking at both GH's and Rafa's tenures of the job, both men's Achilles heel is excessive rigidity of thinking. Having a five-year plan, to which a manager personally nails his colours, can only encourage such rigidity. I'd be happier with a one-year (or possibly two-year) rolling programme, regularly reviewed, working to overall objectives set by the board.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39468.msg1075544#msg1075544 date=1269375364]
2 years to make significant improvements and mount an immediate title challege or get the fuck out.

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a revolving door of managers! hooray!!
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39468.msg1075548#msg1075548 date=1269375616]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39468.msg1075544#msg1075544 date=1269375364]
2 years to make significant improvements and mount an immediate title challege or get the fuck out.

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a revolving door of managers! hooray!!
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or 10 years of turgid football and utter fucking frustration.

Keep that door revolving until it clicks.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39468.msg1075545#msg1075545 date=1269375461]
Looking at both GH's and Rafa's tenures of the job, both men's Achilles heel is excessive rigidity of thinking. Having a five-year plan, to which a manager personally nails his colours, can only encourage such rigidity. I'd be happier with a one-year (or possibly two-year) rolling programme, regularly reviewed, working to overall objectives set by the board.
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Good post.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39468.msg1075545#msg1075545 date=1269375461]
Looking at both GH's and Rafa's tenures of the job, both men's Achilles heel is excessive rigidity of thinking. Having a five-year plan, to which a manager personally nails his colours, can only encourage such rigidity. I'd be happier with a one-year (or possibly two-year) rolling programme, regularly reviewed, working to overall objectives set by the board.
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Yeah likewise.

We should give them the time of course, but I hate the idea the manager is building a team to win the league when Gerrard has retired and Torres is 31.
 
.. i would shove his five year plan, right up his backside and go supporting my local team for the next five years.

Plans.. i am sick of em.. We shouldn't need a five year plan..

A couple of good signings and a good manager that gives player belief in their ability and making them winners is what we need!
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39468.msg1075502#msg1075502 date=1269366288]
Ecstatic as it'd mean we had a new manager.
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Ha ha.

A new manager can get 5 years.
 
I wouldn't mind if the plan was this:

1. Win League
2. Win League and Champions' League
3. Win League, Champions' League and FA Cup
4. Win League, Champions' League, FA Cup and League Cup
5. Win League, Champions' League, FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, Club World Championships, Merseyside Senior Cup, Biggin's U-11 League, African Cup of Nations, Wimbledon, US Masters, Super Bowl, US Presidential Elections, Stanley Cup, WWIII

Yeah, I could live with a 5 year plan.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39468.msg1075709#msg1075709 date=1269399021]
I wouldn't mind if the plan was this:

1. Win League
2. Win League and Champions' League
3. Win League, Champions' League and FA Cup
4. Win League, Champions' League, FA Cup and League Cup
5. Win League, Champions' League, FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, Club World Championships, Merseyside Senior Cup, Biggin's U-11 League, African Cup of Nations, Wimbledon, US Masters, Super Bowl, US Presidential Elections, Stanley Cup, WWIII

Yeah, I could live with a 5 year plan.
[/quote] ;D
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=39468.msg1075560#msg1075560 date=1269376279]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39468.msg1075545#msg1075545 date=1269375461]
Looking at both GH's and Rafa's tenures of the job, both men's Achilles heel is excessive rigidity of thinking. Having a five-year plan, to which a manager personally nails his colours, can only encourage such rigidity. I'd be happier with a one-year (or possibly two-year) rolling programme, regularly reviewed, working to overall objectives set by the board.
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Good post.
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Yeah good post. Anyway by saying you have a five year plan you pretty much give everyone an excuse not to pull their socks up and mount a challenge for the 1st 4 years. As long as your slowly heading in the right direction. Just win the next game please.
 
Owners should have 5 year plans, not managers. Having said that, a revolving door type manager recruitment is for other clubs and anyone who suggests otherwise isn't aware of our traditions. Get a good manager in, give him time and money and keep it under constant review.

We could continue with long contracts to ensure we can get a manager and be prepared top bite the bullet and pay him off should we need to do so. At least that way the pressure is on the owners to get the right man in.
 
Looking at our current squad we don't need a 5 year plan, we just need our manager (whoever it is) to get a reasonable transfer budget (£30m + sales) and then to spend it correctly. I expect a couple of our youngsters to step up (Pacheco & Kelly) over the next season or so, and this will make a huge difference imo.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39468.msg1075771#msg1075771 date=1269423119]
Looking at our current squad we don't need a 5 year plan, we just need our manager (whoever it is) to get a reasonable transfer budget (£30m + sales) and then to spend it correctly. I expect a couple of our youngsters to step up (Pacheco & Kelly) over the next season or so, and this will make a huge difference imo.
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AND, to get the player performing for him. Rafa cant do that. To win the league with this squad plus a couple of playes we need to get average players playing out of their skin & putting 100% in every game. Rafa has proven he is incapable of oing that.

There's a reason Moyes is so successful (relatively speaking) across the park, & that's it.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39468.msg1075777#msg1075777 date=1269424152]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39468.msg1075771#msg1075771 date=1269423119]
Looking at our current squad we don't need a 5 year plan, we just need our manager (whoever it is) to get a reasonable transfer budget (£30m + sales) and then to spend it correctly. I expect a couple of our youngsters to step up (Pacheco & Kelly) over the next season or so, and this will make a huge difference imo.
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AND, to get the player performing for him. Rafa cant do that. To win the league with this squad plus a couple of playes we need to get average players playing out of their skin & putting 100% in every game. Rafa has proven he is incapable of oing that.

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This season i'd agree FFF. Don't you think he managed to get the best out of our lads last season though?
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39468.msg1075777#msg1075777 date=1269424152]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39468.msg1075771#msg1075771 date=1269423119]
Looking at our current squad we don't need a 5 year plan, we just need our manager (whoever it is) to get a reasonable transfer budget (£30m + sales) and then to spend it correctly. I expect a couple of our youngsters to step up (Pacheco & Kelly) over the next season or so, and this will make a huge difference imo.
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AND, to get the player performing for him. Rafa cant do that. To win the league with this squad plus a couple of playes we need to get average players playing out of their skin & putting 100% in every game. Rafa has proven he is incapable of oing that.

There's a reason Moyes is so successful (relatively speaking) across the park, & that's it.
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People like Moyes always seem better until they manage a top side EXPECTED to deliver silverware. Its one thing getting to 10 points off 4th place, its another thing entirely when u are in there.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39468.msg1075771#msg1075771 date=1269423119]
Looking at our current squad we don't need a 5 year plan, we just need our manager (whoever it is) to get a reasonable transfer budget (£30m + sales) and then to spend it correctly. I expect a couple of our youngsters to step up (Pacheco & Kelly) over the next season or so, and this will make a huge difference imo.
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the key word is 30m + sales rather than 30m 'INCLUDING' sales
 
Don't you think he managed to get the best out of our lads last season though?
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Whether he did or didn't is neither here nor there. If the players HAVE lost confidence in him and he can no longer get them playing for him then I doubt they will suddenly start doing so again.
 
He needs to go in the Summer. The squad needs a massive confidence lift either way, and the only other way I can see us doing that is if we get major investment and make at least one really BIG signing. ala Torres. Not that I have much faith in Rafa spending it well anyway.

If he stays and financially things stay as they are, there's a lack of confidence from the fact that it's a different season and the same old shit.
 
Juve will take him off our hands. It's within everyone's interests and I'm confident it will go through.

I don't know what to say about investment. I'm past caring about it.

But get the right manager who inspires confidence and he adds the right players, then this team can compete for the title.
 
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