I think his time is up...
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That cup seems like the Faustian deal for struggling clubs - win it, then plummet down into the hell of relegation.
So do people still think I'm insane for wanting them to go well in the cups?
I don't want him sacked!
I don't want him sacked!
6 year contract
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Ha ha nice.
All good.
At least Utd are rubbish, I'd be very flat after the Villa draw otherwise.
We really need beat Everton now.
I don't hate him, buts that's what he said on Sky because I was listening to it. He may have changed that for the pc later.
Think you picked that one up wrong P
I'd be very surprised if they sacked him. I'm not gloating too much yet, but it's great at the moment. I think the reason he's still there is mainly the fact that everyone in the media keeps saying Utd don't sack their managers and it would be madness to do so. Plus the fans don't want to turn on him because Ferguson picked him out.
I think a bigger factor is they've a seriously average squad of players.
Not to mention the fact a few stalwarts down the years in Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra are on their last legs.
That's like us saying we'd be top if we signed Messi/Ronaldo. They were never going to sign Bale or Ronaldo, I could never see Fabregas going there, and Thiago was always going to go to Bayern once they, and Pep, came calling.
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David Moyes has now taken charge of 48 away games against the old 'top four' - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal (and United) - and not won any.
David Moyes has now taken charge of 48 away games against the old 'top four' - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal (and United) - and not won any.
Good grief.
Manchester United are in a similar situation to us circa '91. An icon retires, a new Manager appointed and too many changes made in a short period leading to a loss of direction and continuity. If I'm not mistaken some of their executives have changed as well which may have been a reason for their lacklustre summer transfer business. They're in a bind when it comes to moving fast to correct an error in appointing Moyes as he was hand picked by Ferguson. Fortunes wax and wane as we know all too well, I expect they'll struggle to re-impose themselves especially with the rise of financially solid clubs like Citeh, Chelski and the Arse.
Fair enough matey, I didn't see it so only going off twitter.
I do fucking hate him however
Well that has been said before, but it confuses almost as much as it clarifies. In 1991, Souey came into a club that had a very settled and sound administrative set-up - there were plenty of wise old heads around. The problem was that Souey didn't listen to any of them. in 2013, Moyes came into a club that had changed its administrative set-up and the only really bona fide wise old head that was left was his predecessor. I think that's pretty significant. Souey shunned his counsel, Moyes didn't have it.
Then there's the 'too much too soon' issue. Again, Souey, by his own later admission, did change far too much too quickly. On and off the pitch he was wildly impatient. Moyes, on the other hand, has been rasher off the pitch than he has been on it. He could have overseen the gradual transformation of his coaching staff but he showed insecurity in clearing them all out in favour of his cronies. But he's been far more prudent than Souey on the pitch. Apart from the almost obligatory single trusted mate from his old club (who has made the almost obligatory failure of the move), he's not done much except introduce his trademark conservatism to the tactics.
So in a weird way he's too different to Souey. That team will only succeed by RVP and Rooney saving its arse every game when they're fit. It needs four or five new players - just much, much, better ones than Souey ever picked. I just hope he never gets around to it.
Moyes had the opportunity to work within their already settled coaching system, with their staff who knew the club and the way things were run. He tried to make wholesale changes from the off, sacking their staff and bringing in his own. Every manager does that, but you'd think at such a big club, following in the footsteps of his predecessor, he'd have afforded himself time to ease into the role with people around him to give him pointers to how things were done.
It's similar arrogance to what Souey ultimately did. Ignoring something that had obviously become ingrained into the club and was already working. If it ain't broke and all that.
The big issue is whether they use Fergie's time as the benchmark and say, "well we gave Fergie X amount of time to get it right".
United have always moved with the times, so it'll be interesting to see how it unfolds. I guess alot of that will depend on Fergie, who I still think will have a major say one way or another.
United have always moved with the times, so it'll be interesting to see how it unfolds. I guess alot of that will depend on Fergie, who I still think will have a major say one way or another.
It depends when they did it. If they were aiming for long term they'd know they'd have to get it right and get someone in line before booting out Moyes. If, implausibly, they got shot of Moyes mid-season they'd have to placate the fans with an old favourite, such as Giggs or Bruce or even the ever-available Coppell to work with Ginsoak until the season's over. Sherwood (who is being discreetly advised by Dalglish) would be an influence on their thinking, you'd presume, if it happened soon - not as a candidate but as a model for a caretaker.
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