Hardline on Clyne

[Modo]

But do those fullbacks do that every weekend? There are 20 teams in the league, each gameweek will see a FB contribute towards a goal in some way or other.

I like my full back chipping in when he can but I also agree that defending is his first duty. Anything else is a bonus.

Yes, defending is very important of course.
But what everyone here
( don't think anyone has mentioned it) are forgetting is how important fullbacks are in Klopps system. It was the same in Dortmund with Schmelzer and Piszczek.

Why is Milner thriving at fullback? Because he's allowed to bomb forward at will. So we need some sort of contribution from our fullbacks. They're extremely important to our attacking play.

 

[Kay Age El]

But do those fullbacks do that every weekend? There are 20 teams in the league, each gameweek will see a FB contribute towards a goal in some way or other.

I like my full back chipping in when he can but I also agree that defending is his first duty. Anything else is a bonus.

We have like 8 or 9 goals now with a FB's contribution to it in one single gameweek. I haven't checked but do you honestly believe that this round was a fluke in that department?

Well, I don't, and truth is I was just baffled to read some of the comments in this thread even before the FB's decided to make a true mockery of them yesterday.. which was nice of course.

Yeah full backs need to defend and do so properly but their functions in attack are also very important and criminally underrated on here. Teams attack and defend in numbers why you need agile, powerful, fast full backs that can do more than just hack the ball away or close a winger down.

I would not be surprised if Klopp has actually instructed Clyne to improve that part of his otherwise very solid game, increase concentration when whipping in crosses and be more aware of the spaces occurring when we attack. That's speculation on my part of course but as I believe he's a clever, modern manager why not? It's been missing, so he should work on it. Which is more or less all Modo said initially before posters silly comments where flying in..

*shakes head*

 

[ILD]

Yes, defending is very important of course.
But what everyone here
( don't think anyone has mentioned it) are forgetting is how important fullbacks are in Klopps system. It was the same in Dortmund with Schmelzer and Piszczek.

Why is Milner thriving at fullback? Because he's allowed to bomb forward at will. So we need some sort of contribution from our fullbacks. They're extremely important to our attacking play.

Oh I agree. It's great if the FB can do both. As I said, it's a bonus.

 

[Kay Age El]

Oh I agree. It's great if the FB can do both. As I said, it's a bonus.

As Jules I believe it was pointed out his attacking stats were far better at Soton than they've been with us so far.

We would not have bought him if he didn't also contribute in attack so to simplify it and call it a 'bonus' is just wrong. It's a key attribute for any attacking full back that he can assist and contribute in attack.

 

[ILD]

We have like 8 or 9 goals now with a FB's contribution to it in one single gameweek. I haven't checked but do you honestly believe that this round was a fluke in that department?

Well, I don't, and truth is I was just baffled to read some of the comments in this thread even before the FB's decided to make a true mockery of them yesterday.. which was nice of course.

Yeah full backs need to defend and do so properly but their functions in attack are also very important and criminally underrated on here. Teams attack and defend in numbers why you need agile, powerful, fast full backs that can do more than just hack the ball away or close a winger down.

I would not be surprised if Klopp has actually instructed Clyne to improve that part of his otherwise very solid game, increase concentration when whipping in crosses and be more aware of the spaces occurring when we attack. That's speculation on my part of course but as I believe he's a clever, modern manager why not? It's been missing, so he should work on it. Which is more or less all Modo said initially before posters silly comments where flying in..

*shakes head*

The post you quoted was my first post in the thread. Yeah FB do contribute to a healthy amount of goals each gameweek but there are 20 teams and 2 FB's per team so there is a high chance some will contribute. But it is usually differently ones each week.

I don't think anyone criminally underrates a FB's function to attack. I have no problem with having an attacking FB as long as he's defensively sound. Clyne is defensively sound, which is an excellent start. I do think he could improve the attacking part of the game but I won't knock him for it. I'm sure Klopp will work with him to improve it.

 

[ILD]

As Jules I believe it was pointed out his attacking stats were far better at Soton than they've been with us so far.

We would not have bought him if he didn't also contribute in attack so to simplify it and call it a 'bonus' is just wrong. It's a key attribute for any attacking full back that he can assist and contribute in attack.

You are using the term attacking full back to denote the players but aren't they usually known as defenders or full backs? Defenders first and foremost in my book. Some are more attacking than others, Bellerin for example. Some are more defensive than others, insert example here. Some combine both better than others. Moreno is an example of an attacking FB but he cannot defend to save his life. You need the balance and a lot on here place an ability to defend over an ability to attack.

Klopp urges his FB's to join in with the attack and Clyne does so. He isn't that savvy up there but he's passable. I would also prefer if he could improve this facet of his game, who wouldn't? But Clyne receives a pass because he's defensively sound and we're top scorers in the league.

 

[FoxForceFive]

This is a stupid argument.

Clyne is the best we've had since Johnson. Clearly.

His game's weakest point is obviously his final ball, & has been for a long time.

Under Klopp, until last night, we have rarely played by pushing the wide men up to encourage crosses, they have been used to stretch the defence & play quick balls to feet into the central three.

Last night we played more direct & kept pushing down the wings to play balls into the box. Not surprisingly Clyne got his eye in & played better crosses after a couple of decent sighters.

 

[ILD]

There isn't much to even argue about.

Everyone likes Clyne. He isn't as natural as others in attacking positions but he gets a pass because he's dependable and we're top scorers in the league anyway. That's about it really. Oh, can he improve on that part of his game? Sure, why not.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I'd go a step further - He has been Mr consistency from day 1. I can only every recall him having a bad game once. I would say he's been one of the best right backs we have had in the same bracket as Lawler, Jones, Nicol and Markus Babel and in my opinion more reliable than Finnan

 

[hmmmmm1]

No one is arguing that Clyne isn’t a good RB. Just some posters feel for the positions he gets himself into, he could do better - at times

 

[HC]

he is a good defender , he's quick , pretty smart off the ball and generally isn't caught napping ,if he is , he cam usually recover, he's also a good outlet wide right.

all of that alone makes clyne invaluable and a guaranteed starter

the fact that he frequently shits the bed going forwards is definitely frustrating but there aren't many fullbacks as adept as he is at actually defending yet equally impressive going forwards (Milner possibly one of a few !lol)

he is clearly capable of being an attacking force , he shows it in glimpses and proved it whilst at Southampton but its hardly the end of the world if he's not reaching those heights anymore , hea got far greater quality in front of him than he did at Soton and therefore has far less responsibility on his shoulders beyond supporting act in the final third

 

[Vlads Quiff]

As I said before It's a pointless thread, of course everyone could improve an aspect of their game - you could start a new thread about every fucking member of the squad improving an important part of their game, and Clyne is the last one I would be looking at. Football fucking purists ? I've shit them.

 

[Modo]

I think a good response to this thread would have been something like " I disagree I think his crosses are great" or " I don't think it's important". Instead the thread is dominated by people missing the point, people explaining the point and brokeback mountain starring Rosco and Ryan, getting their R&R on.

 

[Judge Jules]

That doesn't make any sense. Even your own quote "I don't think it's important" above indicates (rightly) that it was entirely legit for some posters to say they didn't think attacking was the most important part of Clyne's or any fullback's game, and for others to take issue with that.

 

[ILD]

I'd go a step further - He has been Mr consistency from day 1. I can only every recall him having a bad game once. I would say he's been one of the best right backs we have had in the same bracket as Lawler, Jones, Nicol and Markus Babel and in my opinion more reliable than Finnan

The only game that sticks out is the EL game against United. Martial gave him a tough time but it was an uncharacteristically bad game out of Clyne.

 

[Kay Age El]

That doesn't make any sense. Even your own quote "I don't think it's important" above indicates (rightly) that it was entirely legit for some posters to say they didn't think attacking was the most important part of Clyne's or any fullback's game, and for others to take issue with that.

Has anyone said attacking was the most important part of a full backs game though? If so please lead me to it.

You kinda just underlined how a perfectly legit and even respectful thread raising an issue with a part of a players game spins completely out of hand when super polarized replies starts to tick in - then normal common sense disappear and posters starts to read things that are not even there..

Someone has just used this thread as an example of how we - awful posters with agendas I guess - are only doing it to criticize our players, when in fact it's mostly very PRO Clyne it simply raises an issue with his attacking contribution. It's becoming silly.

 

[Judge Jules]

Has anyone said attacking was the most important part of a full backs game though? If so please lead me to it.

You kinda just underlined how a perfectly legit and even respectful thread raising an issue with a part of a players game spins completely out of hand when super polarized replies starts to tick in - then normal common sense disappear and posters starts to read things that are not even there..

Someone has just used this thread as an example of how we - awful posters with agendas I guess - are only doing it to criticize our players, when in fact it's mostly very PRO Clyne it simply raises an issue with his attacking contribution. It's becoming silly.

No-one's said directly that attacking was the most important part of a fullback's game, but so what? Some have placed great importance on it, while others have said they don't think it deserves that - a perfectly normal and acceptable difference of view. The posts alleging an agenda have been (a) few in number and (b) based partly on the fact that the OP was from a poster who has a record of pursuing other agendas to the nth degree. It's quite true that discussions get too polarised too quickly on here, but that's rarely the fault of only one side of the argument, and certainly isn't in this case.

 

[Kay Age El]

Clyne has been an integral part of a team finishing 8th and 6th respectively in the Premiership for us.

Is it not fair to demand the most of your players, especially when we are not actually winning anything or have even been close?

If anyone believe that Clyne or anyone else in the team for that matter should be exempt from criticism you are wrong. At least in my view.

Modo has addressed the one area where he should do better, because overall we can all agree he does very well - and then you can either disagree or agree.

I agree with the sentiment as do others, some posters believe it's only a bonus if a FB assists or scores and others again believe that full backs doesn't have any relevance in attack at all.

That's how it is and we can go from there but it is not a disrespectful thread in anyway as some try to spin it. And once again I have to say that it seems to me posters are first and foremost targeting the poster and not the posts, reading only headlines etc.

That's ruining of any good debate.

 

[Insignificance]

Some posters obviously want to discuss Clyne. Others think it is pointless to discuss Clyne, and spend their time discussing the point of discussin Clyne when other actually does it.

Clyne is an improvement on the older Johnson as I think the older Johnson got a bit rusty in his defensive duties, and looked more and more chasing a goal. Clyne is very steady when put under pressure, and he Completes the job, where Johnson (at least when he got older, don't remember when he was younger) often stopped, or didn't put is heart into it enough for my liking. Going forward Clyne is ok. He can definately work on his crossing. However he has a good engine, and is often helping out in creating 2 on 1 situations on the flanks whch comes very handy.

 

[Kay Age El]

No-one's said directly that attacking was the most important part of a fullback's game, but so what? Some have placed great importance on it, while others have said they don't think it deserves that - a perfectly normal and acceptable difference of view. The posts alleging an agenda have been (a) few in number and (b) based partly on the fact that the OP was from a poster who has a record of pursuing other agendas to the nth degree. It's quite true that discussions get too polarised too quickly on here, but that's rarely the fault of only one side of the argument, and certainly isn't in this case.

Ah the good old agendas.. yeah let's fuck them off once and for all and actually read what posters write shall we?

 

[cloggypop]

Why do the wools hate the scandos so?

I'll never understand.

 

[Judge Jules]

Clyne has been an integral part of a team finishing 8th and 6th respectively in the Premiership for us.

Is it not fair to demand the most of your players, especially when we are not actually winning anything or have even been close?

If anyone believe that Clyne or anyone else in the team for that matter should be exempt from criticism you are wrong. At least in my view.

Modo has addressed the one area where he should do better, because overall we can all agree he does very well - and then you can either disagree or agree.

I agree with the sentiment as do others, some posters believe it's only a bonus if a FB assists or scores and others again believe that full backs doesn't have any relevance in attack at all.

That's how it is and we can go from there but it is not a disrespectful thread in anyway as some try to spin it. And once again I have to say that it seems to me posters are first and foremost targeting the poster and not the posts, reading only headlines etc.

That's ruining of any good debate.

And I have to say the bolded bit is a clear exaggeration. IMHO the debate's been a good one anyway despite the excesses - on both sides.

 

[Kay Age El]

Why do the wools hate the scandos so?

I'll never understand.

Inferiority complex?

Scandophobia?

Maybe they just hate themselves without knowing and then project it onto the Scandos?

Because we are annoying sons of bitchas?

 

[Brizzle]

Would also argue that its hard to have good assist stats as a full back when playing in a team that doesn't employ a typical centre forward.

Clyne is boss and if he starts getting more confidence around the box, or builds better rapport with the likes of Mane and Firmino then that'd be even bosser.

The key takeaway from this thread is that people are asking to see a bit more, which is fine. No one is saying he needs to be dropped or replaced.

 

[cloggypop]

Inferiority complex?

Scandophobia?

Maybe they just hate themselves without knowing and then project it onto the Scandos?

Because we are annoying sons of bitchas?

Scando women > wool women

 

[Modo]

Inferiority complex?

Scandophobia?

Maybe they just hate themselves without knowing and then project it onto the Scandos?

Because we are annoying sons of bitchas?

You should be happy that it's not Scandophilia.

 

[ILD]

I agree with the sentiment as do others, some posters believe it's only a bonus if a FB assists or scores and others again believe that full backs doesn't have any relevance in attack at all.

It is only a bonus if a FB assists or scores. Its a bonus because it doesn't happen every week. You listed a few FB's that scored/assisted this week but they might not score/assist next week. Seamus Coleman is doing really well, he has 3 goals. Danny Rose was also mentioned. He has 1 assist and 1 goal this season. He got one goal in the league last year. Same for Kyle Walker, was it one goal in the league last year as well? They both got 3 assists each in the league last season. Clyne already has two assists this season. He's doing okay.

FB's do contribute to goals/assists every weekend but not the same ones contribute every week.

So to sum up, we can all agree that weakest facet of Clyne's game is his attacking ability. He might improve with Klopp's guidance. We hope so. He's dependable and good defensively so he gets a pass. I do agree it's frustrating that he isn't as savvy in the final third but once again he gets a pass. I do think it's important that our FB's join in with our attack, they do, they might just not be 'rewarded' with the assist. They can often be the person who played the pass to the player who is rewarded with the assist.

I'm a bit confused here though, you posted this;

Ah the good old agendas.. yeah let's fuck them off once and for all and actually read what posters write shall we?

and this;

others again believe that full backs doesn't have any relevance in attack at all."

Who said that? I don't think anyone did. Read what poster write shall we?

I'd just to add that I don't see anything wrong with Modo's original post btw. Clyne's poorest facet of his game is attacking. It isn't a shock to anyone. Everyone agreed with him because everyone realises it. No one even attacked his post. Ryan took it off on a different tangent and discussed the idea of a FB in general not just Clyne. We really need Spiderneil back if we are to have a discussion on attacking full backs. That was his area right?

 

[Insignificance]

Why do the wools hate the scandos so?

I'll never understand.

Cause our boys gave them a Hell of a beating!!!

 

[ILD]

Why do the wools hate the scandos so?

I'll never understand.

Which wools hate the scandos? Ross?
I think I've stuck up for Hansern and KHL more than anyone on this site.

I stand with the scandos.

 

[ILD]

Oh, except Modo. 😉