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Probably our most consistent performer, so it's a bit of an enigma to me, I mean the guy can clearly defend. He can run up and down the pitch all day long. He's got pace, he's got solid passing, he can get past the left back but his crossing or his final ball is horrible.


We would have had so many more goals or chances of getting goals if that aspect of his game improved.
 
He has doesn’t have the technical skills to be a truly top class RB. His only attacking skill is to the play the ball quickly. When he gets into attacking positions (regularly) he fluffs the shop / misses the header, no subtlety.


That said after years of konkramp / joesmi, it’s nice to know the defensive side of the game is well covered.
 
I've said it before (and I feel guilty saying it given his work rate and defensive capability) but he bugs the fuck out of me in the final third.
 
I think we have been spoilt a little with Glen Johnson from point of view of rb in the last third.
 
Alright, this might join my list of pet fucking hates.

'Full Back X is shit in the final third. Their final ball is shit'

How many cunting times do you hear that? Go on then, name me a list of full-backs who are great in the final third...

And you can't count fucking penalties, or headers from corners. Actually, name me one. Valencia, nope. Shaw, nope. Azpilicueta, nope. Sagna, nope. Zabaleta, nope. Kolarov, nope. Ivanovic, Walker, etc etc... None of them are fucking magicians in the final third.

There's a fucking reason they all contribute fuck all offensively; because if they have the ball in the famed 'final third', 99% of the time it's because the attacking players have been able to come up with fuck all so have sprayed it wide for an out ball, and 99.999% of the time they'll be met with a wall of 15 players in front of them. What the fuck are they supposed to do?!

This does my shit in.

Against a team defending on the edge of their 6 yard box - like West Ham yesterday - what is an opposing full-back supposed to contribute? By nature of their position alone they're fucking 30 yards from goal and at an angle to begin with. How, prayfuckingtell, are they supposed to conjure something through a maze of 20-odd bodies from an angle?

I get that Clyne's contribution has dipped, but hey - teams have figured out that we don't mind a counter attack you know. They're pretty fucking prepared to hang around on the edge of the box with a wall of players and not venture too far forward - how's the full-back in your side supposed to look good offensively against that?
 
Rosco said:
I can't believe these dumb fucks made me have to like a Ryan post
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Come on Rosco. You need to be the bigger man and ignore who posted something, and instead judge it on the contents of the post.

You don't want to be one of those little snide cunts who uses the system as a shithouse way of expressing an irrational dislike of someone you don't even know.

Oh wait. You do know Ryan.
 
Ryan said:
Alright, this might join my list of pet fucking hates.

'Full Back X is shit in the final third. Their final ball is shit'

How many cunting times do you hear that? Go on then, name me a list of full-backs who are great in the final third...

And you can't count fucking penalties, or headers from corners. Actually, name me one. Valencia, nope. Shaw, nope. Azpilicueta, nope. Sagna, nope. Zabaleta, nope. Kolarov, nope. Ivanovic, Walker, etc etc... None of them are fucking magicians in the final third.

There's a fucking reason they all contribute fuck all offensively; because if they have the ball in the famed 'final third', 99% of the time it's because the attacking players have been able to come up with fuck all so have sprayed it wide for an out ball, and 99.999% of the time they'll be met with a wall of 15 players in front of them. What the fuck are they supposed to do?!

This does my shit in.

Against a team defending on the edge of their 6 yard box - like West Ham yesterday - what is an opposing full-back supposed to contribute? By nature of their position alone they're fucking 30 yards from goal and at an angle to begin with. How, prayfuckingtell, are they supposed to conjure something through a maze of 20-odd bodies from an angle?

I get that Clyne's contribution has dipped, but hey - teams have figured out that we don't mind a counter attack you know. They're pretty fucking prepared to hang around on the edge of the box with a wall of players and not venture too far forward - how's the full-back in your side supposed to look good offensively against that?
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Depends on your expectations of full back I suppose. I don't expect Clyne to deliver Beckham-esque crosses, but Clyne's crosses are almost always over-hit or doesn't get past the first defender etc.

First off Valencia's low driven crosses are predictable now, but they cause a panic in the box. I'm not sure how many goals that have come of it but I think he has a few assist during his time at rb.


Lahm, Alaba, Piszczek there are definitely more. Maybe even Marcelo or dare I say it, Gary Neville.

If you think that I meant a defender that can dribble past three player in the box and serve a striker a goal on a platter, then no. There aren't many full backs that can pull that off.
 
manwithnoname said:
Come on Rosco. You need to be the bigger man and ignore who posted something, and instead judge it on the contents of the post.

You don't want to be one of those little snide cunts who uses the system as a shithouse way of expressing an irrational dislike of someone you don't even know.

Oh wait. You do know Ryan.
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We've shared a bed
 
I really like Clyne, I always have. And I was a massive Finnan fan, too.

Clyne is fast, knows how to defend and works incredibly hard. Three of the most important qualities in a fullback.

I do accept that there seems to be more pressure on the fullback to be creative and assist in attack, so I have some sympathy with both Ryan and Modo's posts

While it's not fair for us to simply expect Clyne to sort out attacking failings and turn into a world-class attacking midfielder as soon as he gets into the opposition half, there is no doubt that his delivery and crossing could improve.
 
@Ryan As per your request and from the top of my head here's a list of fullbacks who's also more than decent in the final third (some better than others but all much more effective than our Clyne in that department):

Leighton Baines
Dani Alves
Marcelo
Riza Durmisi
Ludwig Augustinsson
Philip Lahm
Ashley Cole
Lukas Pizczeck
Roberto Carlos
David Alaba
Juan Bernat
Nicolai Boilesen
Ricardo Rodriguez
Jordi Alba

Oh and Kyle Walker is actually getting there as well, he's pretty close to being unstoppable when bursting forward at pace.

For me it's a very obvious flaw in Clyne's otherwise very stable and mature game that he's often making a wrong decision or that he is simply not skilled enough to deliver a better final pass. It sure is weird you'd hate a statement like Modo's here, as it's pretty viable..
 
I should add that I was in the bed, asleep, and woke up with Rosco next to me. So clearly Ross came to the bed, saw me in it, and decided that yes - that was something he'd like to join.

I'm not one to judge.
 
Ryan said:
I should add that I was in the bed, asleep, and woke up with Rosco next to me. So clearly Ross came to the bed, saw me in it, and decided that yes - that was something he'd like to join.

I'm not one to judge.
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Maybe it was the "bed" part of the scene that appealed most? I know it would to me. If I'm tired I don't care who else in the bed, I'm getting in.

I can't help think this was a poor opening line for my defence
 
..in 83 Premiership games Clyne has tallied 1 assist.

I repeat. One assist in 83 games.

Now that is actually even worse than I would've thought it was and it is evident a very obvious issue of concern.

At least I would've thought it was..
 
manwithnoname said:
Maybe it was the "bed" part of the scene that appealed most? I know it would to me. If I'm tired I don't care who else in the bed, I'm getting in.

I can't help think this was a poor opening line for my defence
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Ha.

I was happy for the company from memory. JonFox had us shacked up in what could only be described as the scouse Basra, what was the scene outside. We entered some pub early in the evening, with the house right next door on fire. Whilst standing at the bar some local punter decided to fire a pint glass through the flatscreen we were all watching. He wasn't arrested, bouncer'ed out of there, nothing. Just upped and walked out. We left about an hour later, and the fucking house was still on fire. Not a fire engine in sight.

I was delighted at the company of a burly Irish comfort-blanket next to me to be honest. I was fucking shitting myself.
 
Ryan said:
Ha.

I was happy for the company from memory. JonFox had us shacked up in what could only be described as the scouse Basra, what was the scene outside. We entered some pub early in the evening, with the house right next door on fire. Whilst standing at the bar some local punter decided to fire a pint glass through the flatscreen we were all watching. He wasn't arrested, bouncer'ed out of there, nothing. Just upped and walked out. We left about an hour later, and the fucking house was still on fire. Not a fire engine in sight.

I was delighted at the company of a burly Irish comfort-blanket next to me to be honest. I was fucking shitting myself.
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That's just typical scouse hospitality. They heard your accent and wanted to make you feel more at home, so they set fire to a house and destroyed a pub.
 
Piedro said:
It was Kensington to be fair. That sort of stuff is pretty standard.
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The ironic disparity between Liverpool's Kensington and London's Kensington always raises a wry smile.

Obviously only when I'm in the London one. I don't want to get my face slashed off for smiling like some kind of cunt.
 
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