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Sadly for Torres, he'll win nothing and remember his time at Liverpool as the pinnacle of his career. Everything that comes out of his mouth merely sounds like he is trying to convince himself and justify that the move to Chelsea was the right one.

Privately, he knows it wasn't but his ego won't allow him to admit it publicly. He cuts a forlorn and frustrated figure and lacks the mental fortitude to rise up again. He gets cold comfort from the bags of cash that he chased.

I'm done hating the sod, now I pity him.
 
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If I ever meet him I will tell he was brilliant but turned into a lazy, idiotic cunt who thought he was bigger than the club he played for. To add insult to injury he then goes and proclaims the soulless plastic whore of a club he went as a bigger club than this great and historic one. He burnt the bridge, not us. I just hate the cunt for the disrespect he showed the club and its fans.
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Those quotes came from his first interview, in the middle of the night after signing for them. He didn't actually say they were a bigger club, just that they were always challenging for the big competitions etc. In all the time since he hasn't once uttered words to that effect either.

Let go of the hate Sunny. Come on mate, lets have a hug.
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He said Chelsea was 'a step up' so whats that mean if not a bigger club?

Don't make excuses for teh twat, he knew exactly what he was saying ....
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I don't think it was calculated, and I'd say the interview would have been fairly close to being scripted actually. As I say, he has never repeated that sentiment, which says a lot. Yes, he went seeking personal glory, and he thought it was a 'step up' in terms of being in a club that was in the CL and certain of qualification for the next year, as well as being in and about the league challenge every year. So on that basis, when he was currently in a club that had bought Poulson and Konchesky in its last transfer window, and had hovered just above the relegation zone with zero chance of CL qualification then saying it was a 'step up' mightn't be viewed as heresy. If he said Chelsea were a beautiful club with better support and better history we could say the Judas cunt was sticking the knife in. I'd say going from a relegation dogfight to playing in the CL would seem like a step up to anyone.

I agree, his attitude was awful, and he was feeling sorry for himself instead of doing his level best to contribute. But he's reaping what he sowed, and I will still remember him as one of the best strikers we've ever had.
 
I will still remember him as one of the best strikers we've ever had.

Thats because your young mate.

Torres scored as many goals for us as Terry McDermott, less than Barnes Keegan and Toshack, he barley makes the top 20 goalscorers for Liverpool, yeah you can put it down to not playing as many games, but if he PLAYED when he was playing, he'd have got a shit load more.

He's a stroppy kid with an attitude problem, thank fuck he's Chelseas problem, he got the move he craved and is shit for them, if he'd have been forced to stay here imagine it! ......
 
I'm not that young Asbo that I don't remember seeing some of those greats (Terry Mac and Barnes). The fact remains he scored his goals at an extraordinary rate. I also agree he could have had plenty more if he wasn't a stroppy madam, but he also gave me loads of magical moments.

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I will still remember him as one of the best strikers we've ever had.

Thats because your young mate.

Torres scored as many goals for us as Terry McDermott, less than Barnes Keegan and Toshack, he barley makes the top 20 goalscorers for Liverpool, yeah you can put it down to not playing as many games, but if he PLAYED when he was playing, he'd have got a shit load more.

He's a stroppy kid with an attitude problem, thank fuck he's Chelseas problem, he got the move he craved and is shit for them, if he'd have been forced to stay here imagine it! ......
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If I ever meet him I will tell he was brilliant but turned into a lazy, idiotic cunt who thought he was bigger than the club he played for. To add insult to injury he then goes and proclaims the soulless plastic whore of a club he went as a bigger club than this great and historic one. He burnt the bridge, not us. I just hate the cunt for the disrespect he showed the club and its fans.
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Those quotes came from his first interview, in the middle of the night after signing for them. He didn't actually say they were a bigger club, just that they were always challenging for the big competitions etc. In all the time since he hasn't once uttered words to that effect either.

Let go of the hate Sunny. Come on mate, lets have a hug.
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He said Chelsea was 'a step up' so whats that mean if not a bigger club?

Don't make excuses for teh twat, he knew exactly what he was saying ....
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I thought he said "A STEP FORWARD" ?
 
I can't believe you're debating it. He said it, meant it, loved it, wanked it. Whoops, it hasn't worked out for him. Hard fucking gruyere you chicken headed woman.
 
Chelsea have broken the British transfer record by paying a reported £50m to seal the capture of striker Fernando Torres from Liverpool.

The 26-year-old Spain international signed a five-and-a-half-year contract with the Blues.

"This is the target for every footballer - to try to play for one of the top clubs in the world," he said. TWAT!! He played for LIVERPOOL and said THAT!!! Cold Calculated and meant to fucking hurt us!
"They [Chelsea] are one of the biggest teams in Europe and are always fighting for everything." TWAT!

The signing was pushed through shortly before the transfer deadline and came on a dramatic day, with Chelsea and Liverpool involved in the four biggest transfers of the day.

The Anfield club looked to plug the gap left by Torres leaving by signing two strikers - Uruguayan Luis Suarez from Ajax for £22.7m and Andy Carroll from Newcastle for £35m.

Chelsea also brought in Benfica defender David Luiz for a reported fee of £21.3m.

But it will be the capture of Torres that sends out the strongest message that the club remain a force to be reckoned with in the transfer market.

Torres, a World Cup winner in 2010 and European champion in 2008 with Spain, spent three-and-a-half years at Liverpool after joining from Atletico Madrid for a fee of £20m, scoring 81 goals in 142 matches.

BIGGEST WORLD TRANSFERS

1. Cristiano Ronaldo (£80m)
Man Utd-Real Madrid (July 2009)

2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (£56.5m)
Inter Milan-Barcelona (July 2009)

3. Kaka (£56m)
AC Milan-Real Madrid (June 2009)

4. Fernando Torres (£50m)
Liverpool-Chelsea (Jan 2011)


"I'm so happy and proud to be here," added Torres, who is available to play in the Champions League having only featured in this season's Europa League and could face Liverpool in the league on Sunday.

"It's been two, three, four very hard days for me. I'm really happy - this is a great club. I'm prepared and ready for the challenge.

"I know there are many great players here and I will work hard to win a place in the team.

"I am looking forward very much to helping my new team-mates this season and for many years to come.

"It's my dream to win the Champions League and I'm sure I can, playing for Chelsea." and thats why he left, he didn't want to work at it with Liverpool, he wanted it on a plate with them, and hopefully they will go out this week

At the end of the Season if we are in the CL and chelsea are in the Europa I would laugh my tits off!
 
Didn't he also say something along the lines of the atmosphere in the dressing room at Chelsea was better than ours?

I feel sorry for him a bit, but fuck it, he's at Chelsea so fuck him.

I wouldn't take him back now. No way.
 
If he was to fuck off to Italy then I might start wishing him well.
In the meantime I laugh at every little misfortune that comes his way.
 
I'll never wish him well

I'll plop my cock on his fod and scorn him

He's sullied my memories of him. Yes, he was immaculate, yes he could be unplayable but fuck him, I hope he wins fuck all else
 
Seems to have lost all his pace. Everyone caught up with him today.
Meireles aswell doesnt look like the player he was here last year either.
 
It just shows how loved he was here that loads would still have him back ......but he doesn't deserve that love because he turned his back on that for them cunts . He doesn't regret leaving us ..he is just sulking things aren't working out as he planned and if he regrets anything it's not joining city or barca or whoever .

And nobody would care if Carroll was scoring .
 
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If I ever meet him I will tell he was brilliant but turned into a lazy, idiotic cunt who thought he was bigger than the club he played for. To add insult to injury he then goes and proclaims the soulless plastic whore of a club he went as a bigger club than this great and historic one. He burnt the bridge, not us. I just hate the cunt for the disrespect he showed the club and its fans.
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Those quotes came from his first interview, in the middle of the night after signing for them. He didn't actually say they were a bigger club, just that they were always challenging for the big competitions etc. In all the time since he hasn't once uttered words to that effect either.

Let go of the hate Sunny. Come on mate, lets have a hug.
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He said Chelsea was 'a step up' so whats that mean if not a bigger club?

Don't make excuses for teh twat, he knew exactly what he was saying ....
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Not to take the side of Torres in this Asbo but you've misquoted him twice now. First you declared that he'd said the Chavs were a bigger club but the quote you provided didn't say any such thing. Now you say he said the Chavs were a "step up" when in fact he didn't.

I was as underwhelmed as possible by the quotes attributed to Torres at the time and again now. He's making a statement on the new clubs website in his first introduction to his new clubs fans. What are you expecting him to say - I hate this place and the only reason I'm here is that the biggest club in the world doesn't want me anymore.

Torres declared that Chelsea were always a hard team to play against. Anyone arguing that? Thought not.

That they're always challenging. Anyone arguing that? Of course not.

They were a step forward. Have a look where we were when he left. Bloody Sunderland or Stoke would have been a step forward in league position. In terms of club ambition - he'd had years of evidence that the so called "really big club" in Liverpool wasn't interested in really competing. They were just there to make up the numbers.

I'm pissed with Torres for the manner in which he turned his back on all the commitments he'd made and chased money as well as success. What he's said is just a beat-up by fans who want an axe to grind and in the absence of one they're more than willing to take a plastic knife in its place.
 
read the quotes 7 posts up on my post....

I'd argue that ManU was a tougher game than Chelski any day of the week, and it means more

"This is the target for every footballer - to try to play for one of the top clubs in the world," he said.
 
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If I ever meet him I will tell he was brilliant but turned into a lazy, idiotic cunt who thought he was bigger than the club he played for. To add insult to injury he then goes and proclaims the soulless plastic whore of a club he went as a bigger club than this great and historic one. He burnt the bridge, not us. I just hate the cunt for the disrespect he showed the club and its fans.
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Those quotes came from his first interview, in the middle of the night after signing for them. He didn't actually say they were a bigger club, just that they were always challenging for the big competitions etc. In all the time since he hasn't once uttered words to that effect either.

Let go of the hate Sunny. Come on mate, lets have a hug.
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He said Chelsea was 'a step up' so whats that mean if not a bigger club?

Don't make excuses for teh twat, he knew exactly what he was saying ....
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I hate this place and the only reason I'm here is that the biggest club in the world doesn't want me anymore.
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I'm probably reading the above wrong Wizadry - but you don't believe the bold part right?
 
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read the quotes 7 posts up on my post....

I'd argue that ManU was a tougher game than Chelski any day of the week, and it means more

"This is the target for every footballer - to try to play for one of the top clubs in the world," he said.
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Yet the people who are willing to jump on these quotes would more than likely be completely dismissive of all the good things he said about LFC.

What was he supposed to say, really? At the time we'd been in turmoil and started afresh with new owners who hadn't had the chance to flex their muscles, we'd had the Hodgson fiasco and were trying to get it together under a legend who hadn't managed for years. He wanted an assured challenging team (though as proven, it's not always so predictable).

I hate the fact he left us when he seemed to have such an affection for us and I hate the fact he opted for them but I think on the whole he's been pretty dignified about it all.
 
I don't Mark , the papers was full of his quotes and some like the S*n was full of bigger club shit.

I think he was twisting the knife in, and if he 'loved us' like you claim, where was his farewell on the official like we got from Alonso and Garcia and people who really did love and appreciate us and the club?
 
To be fair, The Lying Rag would be full of 'bigger club' shit, wouldn't it? Why would you believe anything written in that shite?
 
I think he was trying to give an interview where he had to try and justify what he had done. He could hardly say he'd decided to move to a lesser club, could he?
 
I don't, but he gave them the opportunity for them to say it, and my Everton mates took great pleasure in rubbing it in, they are a bit quiet now like .....
 
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I think he was trying to give an interview where he had to try and justify what he had done. He could hardly say he'd decided to move to a lesser club, could he?
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Well he could have said 'Another big club' couldn't he, not "This is the target for every footballer - to try to play for one of the top clubs in the world," and "It is one of the biggest steps forward in my career. and 2(The move) is a step forward"

I take every one of those bitter twisted words as him sticking the knife in one last time.

Which started the whole bigger club shit because he was AT one of the top clubs in the fucking World before he left, although we was in dire straights and he SHOULD have fought for us and sweated fucking blood if he loved us so much.

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I don't think anyone's disputing that he sold out, Asbo, I think you're just reading too much into what he said, there are players who've gone and said worse continuously. He gave the standard interview, he's not said anything adverse about us since and has actually come out and said how much he loved the fans & stuff a couple of times.

He made a mistake, we know it, he knows it, I think that's about it. I don't think he's gone there and tried to continue being a twat about why he left or what he feels about us now. He's had the stick he deserves at the games so he knows now how hurt we are as fans and he'll know what he's lost.
 
I've never actually seen him give a good interview?

If he did come back I wouldn't boo him, anyone in a red shirt gets my unconditional support ....
 
It seems almost impossible to be suggesting this, but I’m beginning to feel sorry for Fernando Torres.

There, I’ve said it, got it out in the open, off my chest, to rank along with all those other guilty secrets like a fondness for ELO and a teenage crush on the Shake 'n' Vac lady.

The sight of Torres warming up along the touchline on Tuesday evening was one of those laugh or cry moments; his body language so appalling, his humiliation so apparent, you could actually feel some sympathy for a bloke whose annual salary equals the GDP of a small nation.

His move to Chelsea has been a disaster hasn’t it? Unmitigated, debilitating disaster. He left Liverpool in search of honours he said, in search of a more powerful team and the bright lights of big competition. He found the Carling Cup.

His latest adventure under the glittering (and I use the term loosely) disco ball of that competition was almost degrading, as he toiled worthlessly while Liverpool of all clubs dumped his team out with some relish.

In the Champions’ League against Valencia, Chelsea looked far more like their old selves…which meant Didier Drogba leading the attacking line like a lionheart, while Torres spent the evening avoiding splinters in his arse.

To see a £50million player used as a substitute – and let’s face it, a bloody ineffective one that at that – is almost obscene. How can so much money be spent on something so apparently worthless? (Answers on a postcard to those about to prop up the Greek economy).

Polishing the bench at Stamford Bridge is demeaning for Fernando Torres. He was a great striker, a world class one, and yet if he spends any more time enduring that ritual humiliation, his reputation will be totally devastated.

He won’t be remembered as the man who won the European Championships for Spain, as a player who won a World Cup winners’ medal or a striker who was feared across the globe, but a faintly ludicrous figure who gets rolled out with the stiffs for games that don’t matter.

So I have a solution. They are a forgiving lot at Anfield, the fans quick to embrace an underdog and show the sort of love and affection that could just revive the career of Fernando Torres.

Sure, there are many who believe him a traitor of the highest order, those who would never forgive him, but there are many who feel it is a shame he never quite cemented the place in Liverpool legend he was on his way to achieving.

And Kenny Dalglish has a problem with strikers. Luis Suarez could find himself banned for a fair chunk of the holiday period, given his indiscretions of late, and in his absence, the Reds boss can’t fancy his alternatives too much.

Even if Suarez miraculously escapes a ban, Liverpool still have a problem up front. Suarez is a top class player, a true talent and a joy at times to watch, but he is not an out and out goalscorer. His conversion rate in front of goal is actually rather worrying, as his stats show – the most shots in the Premier League, but only four goals.

What he needs is a goalscorer beside him.
But so far, Andy Carroll hasn’t looked like a goalscorer either. He’s got plenty of talent, he’s contributed in terms of the team, but hasn’t looked much like finding the net on a regular basis.

Which probably explains why Liverpool keep dropping points to the likes of Fulham, Swansea, Norwich et al. They created many, many chances against all those sides, but didn’t take enough for victory, and that is a worrying trend.

When he was at Liverpool Torres was a goalscorer. And he’s clearly not wanted at Chelsea. So why not let him go back to Anfield for a bit, to see if he can rediscover his old muse? If there is one set of fans who will help him find it, then it is the Anfield support.

And just say he does, then Chelsea will at least have a striker with a resale value, rather than the one they have at the moment who is barely worth a grab-bag of Quavers and a tape of the second season of Kojak.

There is the small matter of course, that a rejuvenated Torres could score the goals Liverpool have been missing, and inspire them to a top four finish that may oust Chelsea from the Champions’ League party. But what the hell, it’s nearly Christmas, it’s time for giving. And clearly, there are plenty of people at Stamford Bridge who’d like to give Fernando Torres something right now.
 
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I don't think anyone's disputing that he sold out, Asbo, I think you're just reading too much into what he said, there are players who've gone and said worse continuously. He gave the standard interview, he's not said anything adverse about us since and has actually come out and said how much he loved the fans & stuff a couple of times.

He made a mistake, we know it, he knows it, I think that's about it. I don't think he's gone there and tried to continue being a twat about why he left or what he feels about us now. He's had the stick he deserves at the games so he knows now how hurt we are as fans and he'll know what he's lost.
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Excellent post.
 
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