European Super League

[Grjt2]

Why do you keep mentioning Arsenal and Spurs when they have already signed up?

The PL is fucked as those six (LFC, CFC, AFC, THFC, MUFC and MCFC) have already signed up. The PL is going to totally devalued and I don't see how those two leagues can run contiguously. Where are clubs going to divert their prime resources? PL or ESL?

Why can’t they? It’s only the Premier league sabre rattling that says they can’t. It’s pretty easy and I’m not sure it’s even that many more games midweek than we already have with the Champions League (and now massively undermined cup competitions and wank internationals). 2 tables of 10, before moving into the knockouts. Seems pretty simple to administer.

Let’s not pretend this isn’t simply one giant negotiation by the big (non state owned) clubs trying to get more of the pie, while the huge football authorities try to keep their own noses in the trough

 

[King Binny]

 

[King Binny]

 

[Shay_K]

So I’m right in thinking we would be no longer playing in the premiership?

It's looking more and more like an American NFL franchise system were there's no relegation and the teams can be moved by their owners to different states/cities.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I've talked to a few Man U, Arsenal fans etc - they are all horrified by this.

 

[dantes]

Everyone is corrupt, but the premier league is at least still a football company that happens to produce a television product. The super league will be a television company that happens to show football. The difference in how many fucks you give about the latter compared to the former will be as stark as hell.

Fans of WWF whilst seeing it turn into WWE will know this well.

 

[Athens]

If the top German and French teams join it then UEFA's hand will be weakened significantly. The worldwide audience are only interested in the big teams who are signed up. The fanbase in South America is pretty much all Real or Barca, North America it's those two plus the premier league. I dunno about Africa and Asia but it's probably more of the same. Do Grasshopper Zurich and Olympiacos have many fans in China? If two matches were televised at the same time, Real V Milan or Ajax V Sporting Lisbon, which one would get the bigger audience?

Anyway, I'm finished with football. I might start following Panathinaikos more closely. Might take my son to a match.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Klopp in 2019: “I hope this Super League will never happen. For me, the Champions League is the Super League, in which you do not always end up playing against the same teams... Why should we create a system where Liverpool faces Real Madrid for 10 straight years? Who wants to see that every year?"

 

[Beamrider]

Just a thought about Arsenal (and even Newcastle!) being added to this. Premier League rules provide that a club can be expelled from the league if at least 75% (15 clubs) vote in favour. So if you have 6 or more English Premier League clubs in the Super League, provided no turkeys vote for Christmas, then they can't be kicked out of the Premier League.
I'm pretty sure this will have been looked at in huge detail by lawyers and that the clubs are not concerned about threats of exclusion from domestic leagues or players from World Cups etc.
I don't like this any more than the rest of you - I'd much rather see us play teams whose fans I know and can have some banter with in work the following day - but I fear this is more than just a gambit in a power play against FIFA and UEFA.

 

[the count]

I suspect in a couple of years time there will be a second division to the super league trying to get promoted to the top tier and it will contain some of the lesser European teams plus some new franchises.
There could be a team in Dublin similar to the way it was tried to relocate Wimbledon here in the 90's. Or another city where there is a football market without a local strong team.
For all our outrage I suspect there will be buy in from a lot of fans eventually.

 

[Halmeister]

Oh it's 100% happening. Death of football

 

[The Nomad]

I suspect in a couple of years time there will be a second division to the super league trying to get promoted to the top tier and it will contain some of the lesser European teams plus some new franchises.
There could be a team in Dublin similar to the way it was tried to relocate Wimbledon here in the 90's. Or another city where there is a football market without a local strong team.
For all our outrage I suspect there will be buy in from a lot of fans eventually.

This..

All this 'death of football' talk makes me laugh. The corrupt organisations of FIFA and UEFA are as much to blame for this as the dirty dozen.

 

[rubans]

The actual league format of the ESL will just remove a lot of the magic from the knock outs right now.
At least with it being cup, even if you are doing crap in the league, the CL knockouts are a distinct diversion. Not sure 6th v 7th in mid may has any sort of appeal.

 

[ILD]

We can't be too far off from removing the players? Desconstruct the leagues, then move to a virtual setting when fans at home control the outcome by online participation and remote decision making on simulated games. It'll be like Championship Manager but the buy in and controlling interest per decision will be X amount of LFC($COIN). Highest combined real time bids decides the outcome. Imagine phasing that in.
Imagine Harvey Elliots disgust as a woke cancel culture crew spawned out of tiktok 2.0 pump coins to have him banned for three games because he used the wrong pronoun on his Twitch Account.

 

[Modo]

Klopp in 2019: “I hope this Super League will never happen. For me, the Champions League is the Super League, in which you do not always end up playing against the same teams... Why should we create a system where Liverpool faces Real Madrid for 10 straight years? Who wants to see that every year?"

I've watched the Lakers play against the Celtics every year. Unfortunately this is the future.
Franchising sports seems to work in the US so this is inevitable.
Sooner or later we'll all just fall in line.

 

[ILD]

Liverpool Supersonics will move to Seattle. We'll have to trade The Beatles for Nirvana.

 

[Athens]

I suspect in a couple of years time there will be a second division to the super league trying to get promoted to the top tier and it will contain some of the lesser European teams plus some new franchises.
There could be a team in Dublin similar to the way it was tried to relocate Wimbledon here in the 90's. Or another city where there is a football market without a local strong team.
For all our outrage I suspect there will be buy in from a lot of fans eventually.

It'll be the Guinness Dublin Shillelaghs®.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

OFFICIAL: Borussia Dortmund have just announced that they are NOT joining the Super League.
The CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke said they were 'against' the plans.

 

[jon545660]

 

[dantes]

"modelling" looooool aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaahaaahaaa oh dear lord they are in for a shock.

 

[The Nomad]

Boris Johnson saying he'll do everything in his power to stop the ESL.

Fuck off Boris. Sounds like an ideal job for one of your 'chums' to throw money at, only to achieve fuck all.

 

[dantes]

Cricket in India is far more important than football here. Once their economy overtakes the west, it'll be far more lucrative too. They didn't just break off with history and fuck the fans off for a quick buck, they gradually evolved the game, gradually introduced them to T20, waited for the market to exist, then brought in the IPL still with much criticism and abuse, but they kept enough fans onside and also ensured the local people played for the teams. Now they're absolutely rolling in it, happily coexisting with the other formats and in fact helping them get better too through free and fair competition. That's how a truly capitalist economy handles innovation and change.

The globalist economies in europe and america are selfish greedy morons and are going to get a reality check. It will have $0 written on it.

 

[rubans]

Boris Johnson saying he'll do everything in his power to stop the ESL.

Fuck off Boris. Sounds like an ideal job for one of your 'chums' to throw money at, only to achieve fuck all.

He is against it till he gets his own cut then will be all in.

 

[aquaman4]

Play the same teams every year no relegation no qualification incentive just play for money money money . What's the fun in it ?

 

[jan]

Proper done with it if this goes through

 

[Hansern]

Yeah, it will be the death of football as we know it. Every fan I've talked to, no matter what team you support, are against it.
I'll find a League One club to support I reckon.

 

[The Nomad]

Irony is, I really enjoy NFL which is a closed shop.

 

[Modo]

Irony is, I really enjoy NFL which is a closed shop.

Yep, not really the same in Europe. We don't have high schools and Universities feeding us players. The network isn't really set up in the same way.

 

[MomoWASright]

Play the same teams every year no relegation no qualification incentive just play for money money money . What's the fun in it ?

Where is the fun in Fulham/West Brom/Norwich getting relegated to come up and get relegated again?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Yep, not really the same in Europe. We don't have high schools and Universities feeding us players. The network isn't really set up in the same way.

Yup, it just cannot work here.
This sucks, but as Hal says, I think there's no way back now.