Deadline day ...

[mark1975]

No one is "surprised" we haven't signed anyone in January, the already expected VVD deal aside, because we didn't last year and Klopp has made no noises suggesting he would.

People are just surprised we sold our best player without a replacement/alternative lined up to soften the blow. I don't give a fuck about efforts to bring in Keita, if that were the plan, we should have ensured it was realistic before letting Coutinho go. Now we've sold our best player, got Sturridge off the wage bill and let loads of kids go on loan.

The same people here saying they "don't give a fuck" or that they aren't bothered, are the same ones who brown nose everything we do, the types that were saying clubs don't sell good players in January. Despite the fact we just sold ours and everyone around us has spent to improve.

We just tried to fix one problem and then created another, which is typical of Liverpool these days. Dress it up how you want, it's a risk and potentially a complete fuck up. Same old one step forward and two steps back.

If we drop out the top four at the weekend, the club deserves every criticism it gets, though I'm sure there will still be rose tinted posters on here defending the life out of it. We could finish 8th and they'd still defend it.

 

[moron]

No one is "surprised" we haven't signed anyone in January, the already expected VVD deal aside, because we didn't last year and Klopp has made no noises suggesting he would.

People are just surprised we sold our best player without a replacement/alternative lined up to soften the blow. I don't give a fuck about efforts to bring in Keita, if that were the plan, we should ensured it was realistic before letting Coutinho go. Now we've sold our best player, got Sturridge off the wage bill and let loads of kids go on loan.

The same people here saying they "don't give a fuck" or that they aren't bothered, are the same ones who brown nose everything we do, the types that were saying clubs don't sell good players in January. Despite the fact we just sold ours and everyone around us has spent to improve.

We just tried to fix one problem and then created another, which is typical of Liverpool these days. Dress it up how you want, it's a risk and potentially a complete fuck up. Same old one step forward and two steps back.

If we drop out the top four at the weekend, the club deserves every criticism it gets, though I'm sure there will still be rose tinted posters on here defending the life out of it. We could finish 8th and they'd still defend it.

I could understand totally that you will not easily replace coutinho...but not to get a spare in for the midfield .... i dont get it and still dont. I think we will suffer because of this gamble.

 

[Hansern]

Yeah, why we let Coutinho go now without getting anyone in is a tough one to accept.
If we get top 4, nobody cares. If we drop out, we can only blame ourselves.

Massive gamble.

 

[Skullflower]

If we don't win the champions league i'll be fuming

 

[doctor_mac]

No one is "surprised" we haven't signed anyone in January, the already expected VVD deal aside, because we didn't last year and Klopp has made no noises suggesting he would.

People are just surprised we sold our best player without a replacement/alternative lined up to soften the blow. I don't give a fuck about efforts to bring in Keita, if that were the plan, we should have ensured it was realistic before letting Coutinho go. Now we've sold our best player, got Sturridge off the wage bill and let loads of kids go on loan.

The same people here saying they "don't give a fuck" or that they aren't bothered, are the same ones who brown nose everything we do, the types that were saying clubs don't sell good players in January. Despite the fact we just sold ours and everyone around us has spent to improve.

We just tried to fix one problem and then created another, which is typical of Liverpool these days. Dress it up how you want, it's a risk and potentially a complete fuck up. Same old one step forward and two steps back.

If we drop out the top four at the weekend, the club deserves every criticism it gets, though I'm sure there will still be rose tinted posters on here defending the life out of it. We could finish 8th and they'd still defend it.

I'm struggling to find anyone who says they don't give a fuck Mark. I think everyone gives a fuck. Some people do accept that Klopp felt compelled to let the player go when his plan was to keep Cuntyo until the summer. He intimated that he was left with no choice by the player. We know also Klopp won't move until he feels he is bringing in the right person, and if that isn't possible in this window, he won't panic buy. That's the way Klopp rolls, and whether we like it or not (and most would say not), I think we will have to get used to it.

All of us wanted this mystery signing to be unveiled, but alas, it hasn't happened. I absolutely agree the club should have had a much firmer contingency plan for this, and if we suffer from injuries in the front 4 that costs us top 4 then there are serious questions to answer. Everyone thinks that. Even the so-called 'brown nosers' whoever they are.

 

[mark1975]

Honestly don't give a fuck.

 

[Insignificance]

No one is "surprised" we haven't signed anyone in January, the already expected VVD deal aside, because we didn't last year and Klopp has made no noises suggesting he would.

People are just surprised we sold our best player without a replacement/alternative lined up to soften the blow. I don't give a fuck about efforts to bring in Keita, if that were the plan, we should have ensured it was realistic before letting Coutinho go. Now we've sold our best player, got Sturridge off the wage bill and let loads of kids go on loan.

The same people here saying they "don't give a fuck" or that they aren't bothered, are the same ones who brown nose everything we do, the types that were saying clubs don't sell good players in January. Despite the fact we just sold ours and everyone around us has spent to improve.

We just tried to fix one problem and then created another, which is typical of Liverpool these days. Dress it up how you want, it's a risk and potentially a complete fuck up. Same old one step forward and two steps back.

If we drop out the top four at the weekend, the club deserves every criticism it gets, though I'm sure there will still be rose tinted posters on here defending the life out of it. We could finish 8th and they'd still defend it.

That last paragraph is just plain bullshit and efficiently kill any other valid point you may have. And of course that boring reference to rosetinted asslickers doesn't do you any good either.

What you say is that if we loose to Spurs the club, whoever that term represent, deserve all the critisism in the world if they get it. It is just as intelligent as saying your wife deserves the beating cause the dinner was too cold.

There is never any guarantee in football. No replacement of Coutinho can guarantee you a win against Spurs. We have the team we have. United spending big on Sanchez didn' guarantee them anything against Spurs did it? Whoever we would have brought in would have taken time to settle. And I assume the possible replacements have been discussed throughout by "the club". That they decided on waiting for new personnel is not something done to save a few pounds, but rather to ensure that we will be stronger in the long run. Will it pay off? Still no guarantee, but in a market where Sørloth cost Palace 15 mill and Mahrez 90 I think it is a decent approach. Spending stupid money for the sake og spending them didn't improve us in the past, so I guess continue to do that will not improve us now either.

What a fucking drama Queen you have become.

 

[mark1975]

Over the last few weeks I've heard people absolve Klopp of any blame, say we had no choice, say the January market is more or less impossible to bring quality into (Sturridge, Coutinho, plus all the other recent buys by the top 5 disprove this), and yes, say they "honestly don't give a fuck".

I'm not having a pop at Mystic, he's a good lad and a good poster, but like a few others we know which way his bread is buttered and he'll always err on the side of the club being right, however questionable or quite obviously stupid the decision is. That's my gripe here.

Actually no, that's not my gripe, it's just an irritation. My gripe is that the club is really fucking stupid and if we drop out the top four, then I hope there's a massive backlash against the fucking lizards.

 

[mark1975]

What a fucking drama Queen you have become.

Whereas everyone who rolls over and accepts the mediocrity we've become, are what?

United are 2nd and added Sanchez, we're 4th and we sold Coutinho, I'm not sure what your point is about the Spurs defeat. Them losing to Spurs has less implications than us losing to Spurs. United are still more than capable of finishing second, I'm not sure our brittle mentality can cope with dropping out the top 4 and then trying to get back in it.

 

[Mystic]

Honestly don't give a fuck.

Fuck off, just because I don't give a fuck we didn't sign anyone doesn't mean I brown nose the club/owners, I'm just not in hysterics because the two most obvious transfers in the history of man kind happened this month.

 

[mark1975]

I'm overreacting and being impatient, forgive me. I forgot we've won one cup in the last 12 years.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

We are Everton, tra lalala

 

[Oncy]

Gamble again by Klopp, which worked last season. Lets hope he gets it right this time as well.
I’m not sure why we are surprised as he usually never buys a player in January anyway.
Given the info about 95 mill for Mahrez etc you can understand why he doesnt like the inflated market in January.

I’ve no doubt that we’ll spend a lot of money this summer, but lets hope Klopp’s gamble isnt so big that it sees us drop out of the top 4.
An injury to Firmino or Salah would be horrendous for us.
13 League games and CL to go.

Fingers crossed.

It didn't work well Hansern see I think this is why there is a divide between the happy posters and the misery arses like me.

You think finishing top four 'worked well'.

I think winning trophies is evidence of something working.

I don't care about PLAYING in Europe. I care about WINNING.

I'm not having a go. Just the way I see things.
I don't think defending smart business savvy works (it's an inflated market) unless you profit from it. I don't. The owners profit. I (as a fan) win no trophies.

Mark summed it up perfectly.

United are 2nd and Signed Sanchez

We are 3rd and sold Coutinho

Just think about that for a second.
Think about the fact that in the middle of a season we sold the SECOND MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER in history.

That's what we are as a club.

We may well still finish top 4.
Great. I love the top 4 trophy, it's brilliant. Let's get in the bath and take a selfie.

 

[Insignificance]

Whereas everyone who rolls over and accepts the mediocrity we've become, are what?

United are 2nd and added Sanchez, we're 4th and we sold Coutinho, I'm not sure what your point is about the Spurs defeat. Them losing to Spurs has less implications than us losing to Spurs. United are still more than capable of finishing second, I'm not sure our brittle mentality can cope with dropping out the top 4 and then trying to get back in it.

We are 3 points behind 2, and loosing to Spurs would, if all other results are against, put us 1 point behind 4th. You'r brittle mentality probably can't cope but the team just had an 18 games unbeaten period suggesting that they are not only a bunch mental wrecks. Can we build a new momentum? Sure.

 

[mark1975]

We are 3 points behind 2, and loosing to Spurs would, if all other results are against, put us 1 point behind 4th. You'r brittle mentality probably can't cope but the team just had an 18 games unbeaten period suggesting that they are not only a bunch mental wrecks. Can we build a new momentum? Sure.

We had an 18 match unbeaten run *WITH* Coutinho. You're not selling this very well.

 

[Mystic]

I'm overreacting and being impatient, forgive me. I forgot we've won one cup in the last 12 years.

It's a perfectly valid opinion, but stop being so precious because not everyone shares it.

 

[Insignificance]

I'm overreacting and being impatient, forgive me. I forgot we've won one cup in the last 12 years.

So lets continue to do what we done for 12 years then?

 

[Dreambeliever]

Yeah, why we let Coutinho go now without getting anyone in is a tough one to accept.
If we get top 4, nobody cares. If we drop out, we can only blame ourselves.

Massive gamble.

Fuck that I want the CL trophy

 

[Dreambeliever]

I'm disgusted we haven't strengthened.

One injury to Firmino/Salah and we will be fucked

 

[Hansern]

It didn't work well Hansern see I think this is why there is a divide between the happy posters and the misery arses like me.

You think finishing top four 'worked well'.

I think winning trophies is evidence of something working.

I don't care about PLAYING in Europe. I care about WINNING.

I'm not having a go. Just the way I see things.
I don't think defending smart business savvy works (it's an inflated market) unless you profit from it. I don't. The owners profit. I (as a fan) win no trophies.

Mark summed it up perfectly.

United are 2nd and Signed Sanchez

We are 3rd and sold Coutinho

Just think about that for a second.
Think about the fact that in the middle of a season we sold the SECOND MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER in history.

That's what we are as a club.

We may well still finish top 4.
Great. I love the top 4 trophy, it's brilliant. Let's get in the bath and take a selfie.

See, this is were we disagree though. Its not about being positive or a happy clappy fan or a miserable git.
We all want to win things. 4th isnt a trophy. It might be for Arsenal but it isnt for any Liverpool fan.
We live and exists to win trophies.
Every fan wants the same.

The approach to getting there is the difference.

In my view, this season was all about progress and maintaining a challenge for top 4 while we compete in the CL.
Why? Because we previously have been only focused on the league and not had to play that many important games. I dont count the EL as that important in all honesty.
Now we had to compete on an whole other level and it would give us less time to focus on the league, rotate more players and build a bigger squad.
So getting top 4 this season is of great importance and the, maybe, only realistic target for the league.

Not having a better cup run in either the FA cup or League cup was poor though. Winning any kind of trophy would give the club, players and fans a massive boost.
Top 4 is important if we are to continue to build this squad and set it up for success. Because that is something I hope every fan can see given the players we are signing. We are going in the right direction in terms of transfer strategy and actually signing players that fit the team.

I get why people would want instant success. But we havent got the financial muscle of City and Utd. Thats why City could afford to try to sign Mahrez as a 6 week replacement for Sane or why Utd could give Sanchez a 500k a week contract.
But I've also accepted that we wont do it that way. Klopp will build a team and do it with the right components. The window of success with those players is relatively small though. So if that strategy is going to pay off, we are gonna have to invest quite heavily on the last missing parts this summer. As we have to be looking at challenging for the league next season imho. With the right signings we can do that.
Keita is already signed and new goalkeeper and CM will arrive.

Thats why I think a top 4 finish this season is so important. I dont see it as a "cup win", more a stepping stone to the next level.
Not signing a replacement for Coutinho is another discussion, but Klopp has shown with Keita and VVD that he wont compromise.
He'll wait for his top target. Thats why I hope the gamble pays off and gets us 4th, so we dont lose any momentum.

 

[manwithnoname]

See, this is were we disagree though. Its not about being positive or a happy clappy fan or a miserable git.
We all want to win things. 4th isnt a trophy. It might be for Arsenal but it isnt for any Liverpool fan.
We live and exists to win trophies.
Every fan wants the same.

The approach to getting there is the difference.

In my view, this season was all about progress and maintaining a challenge for top 4 while we compete in the CL.
Why? Because we previously have been only focused on the league and not had to play that many important games. I dont count the EL as that important in all honesty.
Now we had to compete on an whole other level and it would give us less time to focus on the league, rotate more players and build a bigger squad.
So getting top 4 this season is of great importance and the, maybe, only realistic target for the league.

Not having a better cup run in either the FA cup or League cup was poor though. Winning any kind of trophy would give the club, players and fans a massive boost.
Top 4 is important if we are to continue to build this squad and set it up for success. Because that is something I hope every fan can see given the players we are signing. We are going in the right direction in terms of transfer strategy and actually signing players that fit the team.

I get why people would want instant success. But we havent got the financial muscle of City and Utd. Thats why City could afford to try to sign Mahrez as a 6 week replacement for Sane or why Utd could give Sanchez a 500k a week contract.
But I've also accepted that we wont do it that way. Klopp will build a team and do it with the right components. The window of success with those players is relatively small though. So if that strategy is going to pay off, we are gonna have to invest quite heavily on the last missing parts this summer. As we have to be looking at challenging for the league next season imho. With the right signings we can do that.
Keita is already signed and new goalkeeper and CM will arrive.

Thats why I think a top 4 finish this season is so important. I dont see it as a "cup win", more a stepping stone to the next level.
Not signing a replacement for Coutinho is another discussion, but Klopp has shown with Keita and VVD that he wont compromise.
He'll wait for his top target. Thats why I hope the gamble pays off and gets us 4th, so we dont lose any momentum.

"We won't do it that way"

Correction: We can't do it that way. There is an important difference, because "won't" suggest some kind of brave "Liverpool Way" mindset, which is obviously horseshit.

And as for a "strategy" being place, don't make me laugh. We won't ever win the title because we don't spend enough money to do so.
We spend just enough to keep our challenge for a Top 4 place competitive and realistic.

That is the sum total of our strategy and ambition.

 

[Hansern]

Fuck that I want the CL trophy

Well, we can still win the CL trophy. I'm talking about the league....

 

[Dreambeliever]

Well, we can still win the CL trophy. I'm talking about the league....

Harder without a Coutinho replacement or a back up for Firmino

 

[juniormember]

Very disappointed we didn’t bring anyone in after VVD. We really are an injury away from dropping out the top 4.
But fuck it. I’m a rose-tinted, Klopp’s arse-licking, brown nosed happy clappy cunt. The one Le Miserables find offensive.
We’re going to finish 2nd and win number 6. Because Klopp’s the best manager in the world.

 

[Hansern]

Harder without a Coutinho replacement or a back up for Firmino

Well, thats a given.

 

[rurikbird]

I think a large part of Klopp reticence to buying players in January is not only the overpriced market, but the fact that without a pre-season by the time a player fully integrates into his tactical plan, there will be only a few games of the season left. We have 13 league games left and Klopp left Van Dijk out of the last 2 out of 3 because he feels he needs more "fine-tuning." My guess is, in Klopp's thinking overpaying for someone like Lemar in January would likely not be justified by the impact he would have on the rest of the season, considering he is cup-tied for CL (as is Keita), and would probably take at least a few weeks to get up to speed to the EPL (yes, Salah adjusted faster, but he's had a full pre-season and you could say he already went through his major period of adjustment with Chelsea).

You could say that new players taking longer to integrate is a slight disadvantage of a team-oriented approach, whereas someone like Mourinho, who largely works on defensive part of the game and lets his attackers improvise, can throw Sanchez into the game straight away (not that it helped United much; the team-oriented and carefully assembled Spurs side looked far superior on the day). As they say, every coin has two sides. If you love how Klopp's style allows us to consistently able to outplay the likes of United with a squad of objectively less valuable players, you have to learn to live with some downsides of this approach.

Personally, like I said, I'm not too bothered by the "failure" to replace Coutinho right away; I think our patient approach paid off with Keita and VVD and will help us to land Klopp's first-choice targets in the future and frankly I much prefer to build a team with first-choice targets. The only thing I'm bothered by is the seeming lack of squad depth at the moment with losing both Coutinho and Sturridge mid-season – we do currently seem awfully thin in some areas, especially with Mane off the boil and Lallana injured. Let's hope Klopp's confidence in his current squad does not prove misplaced.

 

[Insignificance]

We had an 18 match unbeaten run *WITH* Coutinho. You're not selling this very well.

Selling what? Just pointing out that you have become a major wuzz... you har the same "The club deserve beating" approach last season and in the summer. Coutinho was here then. You also have this "people are redrosed asslickers " as soon as they try to get behind the team instead of give in to the beating you do much love these days. So no, I don't sell anything, and no it is no overreaction from your side. It is very much your hysterical sissy default state of affairs mate.... relax more.

 

[Hansern]

"We won't do it that way"

Correction: We can't do it that way. There is an important difference, because "won't" suggest some kind of brave "Liverpool Way" mindset, which is obviously horseshit.

And as for a "strategy" being place, don't make me laugh. We won't ever win the title because we don't spend enough money to do so.
We spend just enough to keep our challenge for a Top 4 place competitive and realistic.

That is the sum total of our strategy and ambition.

Can't or won't. The point is the same.

Leicester won the league and Spurs went pretty close. Its possible even without the money City and Utd have at their disposal.

Fair enough if you disagree. That wont change my view of Klopp's ambition for the club.

 

[manwithnoname]

Can't or won't. The point is the same.

Leicester won the league and Spurs went pretty close. Its possible even without the money City and Utd have at their disposal.

Fair enough if you disagree. That wont change my view of Klopp's ambition for the club.

The outcome is the same, the inference is not. And Klopp's ambition for the club is irrelevant when the owners don't match it.

 

[Insignificance]

"We won't do it that way"

Correction: We can't do it that way. There is an important difference, because "won't" suggest some kind of brave "Liverpool Way" mindset, which is obviously horseshit.

And as for a "strategy" being place, don't make me laugh. We won't ever win the title because we don't spend enough money to do so.
We spend just enough to keep our challenge for a Top 4 place competitive and realistic.

That is the sum total of our strategy and ambition.

The horseshit is om you mate. I think it is demonstrated that we could spend 90 mill om Mahrez but we don't to down that route. It's not about a brave Liverpool way.... rather a direction of being sustainable in the long run. With the stupidity going on we can either throw out cash away or we can try a different model.

Can we succeed with a different model to United and/or City? Yeah. But that doesn' mean it will be easy nor that it will come instant. It still take hard work and nothing comes for free.