How many games did Rafa give Warnock and how much of a success has he been since? He's at a mid table Championshp side now.
Anyway, Houlliers didn't like Warnock or vice versa because Warnock left Villa not long after Houlliers arrived.
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How many games did Rafa give Warnock and how much of a success has he been since? He's at a mid table Championshp side now.
Anyway, Houlliers didn't like Warnock or vice versa because Warnock left Villa not long after Houlliers arrived.
I'd suggest that Ian St John is not one of the best people to listen to when it comes to Liverpool. I find myself disagreeing with most oif what I hear him say!
Ask Guardiola whether he'd rather have won the two legs or played like a pussy? Or Kluivert? Or Pepe?
Winners win, losers cry. We won, that is ALL that matters, that and the fact that we didn't cheat.
19 league game in his first season.
20 in his second season.
At least he gave the kid a chance.
Ok, never knew it was that many to be fair. Was Riise injured then?
I think Rafa also gave Warnock a new contract when he was out with a broken leg.
Nah, if I remember it correctly it was a bit more complicated.
Kewell was supposed to play on the left wing but he was injured for most of the season so Riise played there.
Then there was Traoré...so you can kinda see why he got so many games.
I think Warnock played in midfield in one or two games as well, when Risse was injured or something.
Guardiola? Did you miss those 3 years he coached the most ridiculously purist team ever?? 😉
Admittidely I haven't looked at this thread for a while but it appears that managers are being judged on how they treated Stephen Warnock? Surely not?
I think both managers broadly did a good job. I preferred GH personally but that's just personal preference. I don't really see why it has to be one vs the other.
I think both managers broadly did a good job. I preferred GH personally but that's just personal preference. I don't really see why it has to be one vs the other.
Looks like Jose is back to Chelsea after comments tonight. That means the league just got much harder. Arsenal beatable, Spurs beatable, United beatable but so consistent against others, and now Chelsea with Mourinho will be amazing again. If City had a decent manager, it'd be a three horse race for the next few years.
Benitez inherited much more than Houllier; a top 4 team and a Champions League place for a kick off.
I'd have to say that winning the Champions League probably should elevate Benitez above Houllier on the ladder. However, if it wasn't for that win, Benitez wouldn't have a foot on the ladder that Houllier would be half-way up.
Both made some great signings, both signed a lot of shite.
Both played good football about 20-25% of the time, both played turgid shite the rest of the time.
Both played flat back 10s regularly.
Both were tremendous excuse-meisters.
Both had enough cash that, really, they should have done better.
Houllier built a great defence. Benitez built a great midfield.
Both came 2nd once, then failed to kick-on. Both were good in cup football.
As said, Houllier picked up a team in worse shape than Benitez did. And he left that team in better shape than Benitez did. But Benitez won the big one.
Much of a muchness for me.
I'd have to say that winning the Champions League probably should elevate Benitez above Houllier on the ladder. However, if it wasn't for that win, Benitez wouldn't have a foot on the ladder that Houllier would be half-way up.
Both made some great signings, both signed a lot of shite.
Both played good football about 20-25% of the time, both played turgid shite the rest of the time.
Both played flat back 10s regularly.
Both were tremendous excuse-meisters.
Both had enough cash that, really, they should have done better.
Houllier built a great defence. Benitez built a great midfield.
Both came 2nd once, then failed to kick-on. Both were good in cup football.
As said, Houllier picked up a team in worse shape than Benitez did. And he left that team in better shape than Benitez did. But Benitez won the big one.
Much of a muchness for me.
I've never agreed with that, at all.
That squad was full of dross, and many of the good players were past their best. Hyypia, Henchoz, and Hamann, for example, were all brilliant in their day, but I'd take a bequest of inferior but young players like Agger, Skrtel, and Lucas over them all day long.
The same Hyypia who was absolutely dominating when we should have won the league (and finished 2nd)?
Houllier should never manage again - not because he can't do it, but because his life is more important than football. I think Rafa should take the Madrid job when it opens up (if they want him) - it would be GREAT if he can win the CL then next year and start a speech explaining to Mourinho how it's done.
'Absolutely dominating'? How many games did he actually play that year? As I remember it, he was a squad player from 2006 onwards. Better than Henchoz's and Hamann's long term contribution, certainly, but he wasn't exactly a key player.
The parallels between the two in many ways are uncanny as Molby pointed out.
Ged was clearly the brighter of the two, less manipulative and egotistical, and a much better man manager. He clearly had much more rebuilding to do than Rafa, he left so much dross that Rafa managed to win the CL with it, like it or not, that was Ged's team.
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Ged was clearly the brighter of the two, less manipulative and egotistical, and a much better man manager. He clearly had much more rebuilding to do than Rafa, he left so much dross that Rafa managed to win the CL with it, like it or not, that was Ged's team.
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If I had to choose i'd follow rugby
Listen Peter, I don't want either back. But I think both should always be shown the respect they deserve for what they did here. I am pretty hopeful that in the next 1-4 years, Rafa will be 'credited' for the transformation we see under Rodgers (where what we see on the youth level starts bringing in even bigger results on the senior level).
Errr, but 2008/09??
Nope.
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Benitez played much better football, even in his last season. Houlliers last 2 seasons were the most depressing football I've ever seen, and I've watched Limavady United play.
True. I'm not sure we should have won the league, as both had big spending rivals to deal with, but there is no excuse for some of the misspent money i.e. Diouf, Cisse, Babel, Aquaman.[/quote]
Tue. Both were aided considerably by the emergence of Steven Gerrard though.
True to an extent, but Benitez (and his staff) did rebuild the youth system which Houllier had destroyed in his time here. Fans often don't give him credit for that as they can't see the result straight away, but there is no doubt that the youth system is much better now. Also, Roy made that team look a lot worse than it was.
A fair bit of rewriting of history going on there IMHO. Didi for one reckons he met one authentic genius in his time at LFC, and it wasn't GH. There's no way GH was/is the brighter of the two - less manipulative overall maybe, but there was more than a touch of manipulation about the events leading up to Robbie's departure for example, and I suspect Jari Litmanen for one would also have something to say about his man-management. He did sign the majority of the Istanbul squad (bar a couple of Spanish guys without whom we wouldn't even have got to the Final, let alone won it) but it took Rafa to turn them into champions of Europe.
Didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. GH pretty much accused him publicly of costing France their World Cup place.
I thought we were talking about players Ged left for Rafa?
I concur with the above ...
Hyypia was the cornerstone of Benitez's defense for a good few years, funny how Hyppia's own eventual inability to play every game coincided with Rafa's teams decline. He wasn't past his best by any means and was certainly better than what Agger, Skrtel and Lucas have proven to be for subsequent managers. And Hamann, for all his supposed fizzling out, saved his arse in the second half of the final.
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