Allen has offered something in almost every game I've seen him play this season. He's a smart player with bags of energy. He's never going to boss a midfield on his own, but he's a very good squaddie. And good teams need good depth in the squad.
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Is Allen a defensive midfielder? Countless of inept performances in that role says no. Hence why Klopp tried it once or twice and never again.
You remember that game against Chelsea I think when Lucas was on a yellow and Allen was on the bench?
Didn't Klopp say something along the lines of "we didn't have any defensive midfielders on the bench"?
Yeah, and getting blown by every whore in the playboy mansion for fifty quid seems worth it, and equally likely.
If you're going to judge Allen on 'countless of inept performances in that role,' then you should do the same for Lucas. I think Allen is a better player and we won't get much money on the last year of his contract (if that is the basis of our decision).
As for the Chelsea game, it was obvious Klopp wasn't high on Allen early on ... He's won him over it seems ...
That being said, I'm happy to see both stay.
Isn't that sort of thing usually the preserve of smaller clubs selling promising younger players?
Ok, Lucas is great and he adds more to our team than Allen, and we should definitely keep him regardless of how he fits into the style of play Klopp pushes, and make him captain too.
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Probably keep. Every player has his price, but not every player would go for what he's really worth and I suspect Allen's one who wouldn't, in which case he'll be worth more to us staying than leaving, because he's deffo good enough to be a squaddie here.
If we sell him, at least wait until he has been nominated as one of the best players of the Euro's.
I dont see the money issues here. If Allen is better than Lucas sell Lucas. If Lucas is better than Allen sell Allen. If both are good keep both.
People arguing we should sell this guy as the other only would get us 6-8 mill in (probably cause he aint any good) are forgetting that we are able to blow away silly money on mediocre shit every summer.....
People arguing we should sell this guy as the other only would get us 6-8 mill in (probably cause he aint any good) are forgetting that we are able to blow away silly money on mediocre shit every summer.....
I think he will leave by his own will, either this summer or perhaps in January. Allen did play well in many of his appearances this season, but it's pretty clear his style of play suits possession-oriented teams more. Precisely because of that he can be useful for us in situations when we need to keep the ball and this is how Klopp used him, when his hand was not forced by injuries. But it's too much of a luxury to keep such a specialized role player on the bench, especially when as a club you can afford to buy and develop some of the most talented CMs of the world, players who can not only keep possession, but also give you goals, dynamism or defensive strength. Why cling to Joe Allen if you can try to find and develop a new Gerrard, Alonso or Pogba?
This summer we seem to be very much in the market for a young dynamic attack-oriented CM, with names like Dahoud and Zielinsky frequently mentioned. Let's say we buy one of them. Let's say Lucas leaves. Here is what Allen will be looking at as his competition for one of 2 or 3 CM positions, depending on Klopp's tactics:
I don't think Klopp will push Allen out of the door – why would he? He gets injured a bit too often, but other than that he's a decent pro with clear strengths and weaknesses who can be used at times during the season for particular tactical situations. However, I wonder if Allen looks at his competition above and decides it's better to spend the peak years of his career elsewhere.
This summer we seem to be very much in the market for a young dynamic attack-oriented CM, with names like Dahoud and Zielinsky frequently mentioned. Let's say we buy one of them. Let's say Lucas leaves. Here is what Allen will be looking at as his competition for one of 2 or 3 CM positions, depending on Klopp's tactics:
- Emre Can has locked down his position at DM and will probably start most games when fit. Captain material.
- Henderson is the current captain, suits Klopp's pressing style to a T and the only question mark is the heel injury. If Hendo is fit, there is no way Allen would start over him.
- Milner has grown into his role as a senior player who leads by example. Will start lots of games and probably more often as a CM then a winger as the competition in attack increases with new signings.
- [the new CM signing, who will be given every chance to succeed and justify his substantial price tag]
- Grujic, will probably circulate between first team and the reserves as his adapts in his first season.
- Brannagan, who in my opinion is a superb talent and is clearly rated by Klopp. He will be determined to take any chance he gets.
- Stewart, who's been given a new contract, but still has everything to prove.
I don't think Klopp will push Allen out of the door – why would he? He gets injured a bit too often, but other than that he's a decent pro with clear strengths and weaknesses who can be used at times during the season for particular tactical situations. However, I wonder if Allen looks at his competition above and decides it's better to spend the peak years of his career elsewhere.
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