Alexis Sanchez

[peterhague]

Not every player in Spain has these ludicrously high clauses. As has been pointed out, the difference is that they're mandatory there, so often it's just a token figure to service that requirement while in practice leaving the club without any obligation to sell.

Whereas here, there is no such stipulation. Surely it's obvious therefore that to have one entered in a contract means there must be some practical purpose to doing so: there simply wouldn't be any point setting it at £200m or whatever. It'll always be a compromise between the interests of the two parties: the player's desire to be able to release himself from the contract, and the club's desire to get as much money as possible.

 

[Der Alte]

This is one of those days when I'm happy I don't own a shotgun because I'd have shot myself in the face already.

Those clauses in Spain are meaningless. It's better not to have a clause at all so why should we put one like that in our contracts?

 

[mark1975]

So, should we not have similar ridiculous buy out clauses, or not have one at all. To save us losing someone for less than they end up being worth?

No, I'm not saying that at all, I just don't see why the current system of a realistic clause doesn't work? If everyone has massive clauses, it just becomes pointless, because no one will pay that price, so inevitably people are paying less and without a realistic barometer in place, it's more open to abuse and being stung.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

This is one of those days when I'm happy I don't own a shotgun because I'd have shot myself in the face already.

Those clauses in Spain are meaningless. It's better not to have a clause at all so why should we put one like that in our contracts?

Yeah, they're meaningless, so either put a meaningless one in, or don't put one in at all. That's my point.

It's a very expensive mistake to put one in too low.

Anyway, it's too late now with Suarez, just hoping we don't allow any to be put in, in the future.

 

[Der Alte]

Yeah, they're meaningless, so either put a meaningless one in, or don't put one in at all. That's my point.

It's a very expensive mistake to put one in too low.

Anyway, it's too late now with Suarez, just hoping we don't allow any to be put in, in the future.

We obviously put release clauses in contracts because we have to. For example Suarez wouldn't have signed a contract extension if there wasn't a reasonable clause in it.

 

[peterhague]

Yeah, they're meaningless, so either put a meaningless one in, or don't put one in at all. That's my point.

It's a very expensive mistake to put one in too low.

Anyway, it's too late now with Suarez, just hoping we don't allow any to be put in, in the future.

You put them in in order to get the player to sign the damn contract!

That's the point. They're useful in specific situations like we had with Suarez, who wanted to have cast-iron rules of when and how he'd be allowed to leave. There'll be clauses like that in Spain too, as well as the ones set very high.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Yeah, you're probably both right. I just wish we didn't have to ever do it.

It can never be to our advantage in any way. But I guess that much is obvious.

 

[mark1975]

Yeah, they're meaningless, so either put a meaningless one in, or don't put one in at all. That's my point.

It's a very expensive mistake to put one in too low.

Anyway, it's too late now with Suarez, just hoping we don't allow any to be put in, in the future.

Is £70m-£80m to low though? Arguably for a 27 year old with baggage, you could see why he would be a bit less than, say, Bale.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Is £70m-£80m to low though? Arguably for a 27 year old with baggage, you could see why he would be a bit less than, say, Bale.

I would think 70m is way too low now, yes. It would have looked good a year ago, but his worth is more like 80m+ now. All depends on what the buy out figure happens to actually be, there's a few different reports on what it is.

 

[mark1975]

I would think 70m is way too low now, yes. It would have looked good a year ago, but his worth is more like 80m+ now. All depends on what the buy out figure happens to actually be, there's a few different reports on what it is.

Yeah, there's loads of conflicting reports on the amount, and then there's stories about clauses specifically for a scenario where Barca or Madrid come in for him.

 

[gkmacca]

We need players who want to play for us. Sanchez is a fantastic player but it's no good losing money on the Suarez deal if it just means we get a player who practically has to be frogmarched to Anfield. Get the maximum amount of cash for Suarez. Then bid for Sanchez. If he doesn't want to come, move on with all that cash and find someone who genuinely wants to give his all for us. It's a big season.

 

[Hansern]

We need players who want to play for us. Sanchez is a fantastic player but it's no good losing money on the Suarez deal if it just means we get a player who practically has to be frogmarched to Anfield. Get the maximum amount of cash for Suarez. Then bid for Sanchez. If he doesn't want to come, move on with all that cash and find someone who genuinely wants to give his all for us. It's a big season.

This. While I'd love Sanchez to be part of the deal all the early reports say he doesnt want a move. Seems he wants to stay at Barca and thats fair. His WC finished 2 days ago so I'm guessing he hasnt talked much with Enrique. If it becomes clear that he isnt involved in the future plans things might change but who knows.

Take the cash and move on.

 

[Buddha]

I haven't seen anyone half-reliable say that Sanchez doesn't want to come to Anfield.

 

[ILD]

It might be a case that he favours a move back to Italy but so what? An Italian team will still have to come in for him and offer Barca a suitable wedge of cash that they are happy to accept. Juve are the only realistic option for him there. Do they have the cash to get him without selling a Vidal or Pogba? Is their wage structure better than ours also?

To be honest, I'm not overly confident of getting him at all. However, I don't think we should be too concerned about him not wanting to come to us just yet. Well not until he was spoken to all parties involved. Things change quickly in football.

He is a player who would appease me if we lost Suarez though. I'm sure a few gentle face rubs from Mr Rodgers could swing the tide in our favour.

 

[doctor_mac]

There were load of reports saying Sanchez fancied playing in England before the WC. I wouldn't believe anything yet. We'll find out in the next days and weeks what the truth of the matter is.

 

[Comical Aly]

We need players who want to play for us. Sanchez is a fantastic player but it's no good losing money on the Suarez deal if it just means we get a player who practically has to be frogmarched to Anfield. Get the maximum amount of cash for Suarez. Then bid for Sanchez. If he doesn't want to come, move on with all that cash and find someone who genuinely wants to give his all for us. It's a big season.

I agree - if he doesn't want to come then fuck him. Otherwise he'll probably be included at a silly price then sign some short term deal (3 years?) so we have to sell him next summer. The positive would be we'd get a season out of him where he's trying to put himself in the shop window I suppose but I wouldn't have a good feeling about it if that's how it pans out.

 

[gkmacca]

A pissed off Suarez wouldn't be much worse, if at all, than a pissed off Sanchez. I want the money spent mainly on ensuring we have genuinely potent goal threats at every level of the club, because from the academy level up we're pretty thin on genuine goal scorers. I know it is probably the fashion for 'false strikers' and attacking midfielders, but we've plenty of those, now, and we need a variety of real goal threats. We've invested in an up and coming player in Origi - excellent. We've gone for a splendid short-term option in Lambert - again, great. I'd quite like Ings as a squad member if he wasn't over-priced in the UK market. And most importantly we need a seriously outstanding senior striker. I honestly don't know one who'll come, which makes all of Barca's antics so irritating, but we just must play tough. Look at the impact RVP had on a piss poor Manc side. Look at what the lack of a top striker has done to the Gooners. You can't over-estimate the importance of investing carefully and seriously in that area.

 

[Hansern]

I haven't seen anyone half-reliable say that Sanchez doesn't want to come to Anfield.

From Ben Smith:

It is not yet clear whether Sanchez would be willing to move in part-exchange, although the Spanish club would be willing to include him in a deal.

 

[Comical Aly]

A pissed off Suarez wouldn't be much worse, if at all, than a pissed off Sanchez. I want the money spent mainly on ensuring we have genuinely potent goal threats at every level of the club, because from the academy level up we're pretty thin on genuine goal scorers. I know it is probably the fashion for 'false strikers' and attacking midfielders, but we've plenty of those, now, and we need a variety of real goal threats. We've invested in an up and coming player in Origi - excellent. We've gone for a splendid short-term option in Lambert - again, great. I'd quite like Ings as a squad member if he wasn't over-priced in the UK market. And most importantly we need a seriously outstanding senior striker. I honestly don't know one who'll come, which makes all of Barca's antics so irritating, but we just must play tough. Look at the impact RVP had on a piss poor Manc side. Look at what the lack of a top striker has done to the Gooners. You can't over-estimate the importance of investing carefully and seriously in that area.

Yep - bang on and Torres is another who carried us to heights we wouldn't have otherwise got to. I know Sturridge had a great season but I always have a suspicion it could easily all go horribly wrong with him if we ask him to lead the line.

Is the Origi deal done? I was worried that yet another target having a blinder could derail it! I suppose the upside of all our transfer targets having good World Cups is that the scouting department are doing their job well. Just a shame it's world cup year when we have some cash and CL to attract targets.

 

[Buddha]

From Ben Smith:

It is not yet clear whether Sanchez would be willing to move in part-exchange, although the Spanish club would be willing to include him in a deal.

There you go, the only decent quote states it's not clear.

 

[mark1975]

Barca officials have arrived in London to start formal talks with Liverpool over their interest in Suarez. Liverpool, who are interested in Sanchez, want £80million for Suarez this summer. The Catalan club are prepared to use Sanchez, who is valued at £30million, as a sweetener in their offer for Suarez. But Sanchez looks likely to snub a move to Anfield, with his heart set on a switch to the Emirates Stadium. That means only a straight cash deal for Suarez is likely to be enough to persuade Liverpool to sees their prolific striker. Sources close to Sanchez have indicated that the 25-year-old would prefer a move to London, leaving Arsenal in pole position to land the talented forward.

 

[Hansern]

There you go, the only decent quote states it's not clear.

James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho · 1h
@BeefyBadman They certainly haven't been told he's not interested in a move.

 

[gkmacca]

James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho · 1h
@BeefyBadman They certainly haven't been told he's not interested in a move.

Yes, but as LFC appear to always be the last to be told anything - after all, the last they heard from Suarez was that he was looking forward to being at the club for several more years - that's not really very reassuring.

 

[peterhague]

I'm not really that bothered if Sanchez wants to come here or not. Throw a load of money at him and really sell the dream and I'm sure that problem can be solved.

 

[Hansern]

Yes, but as LFC appear to always be the last to be told anything - after all, the last they heard from Suarez was that he was looking forward to being at the club for several more years - that's not really very reassuring.

Ben Smith saying the same, he's usually spot on imho.

 

[Frogfish]

We need players who want to play for us. Sanchez is a fantastic player but it's no good losing money on the Suarez deal if it just means we get a player who practically has to be frogmarched to Anfield. Get the maximum amount of cash for Suarez. Then bid for Sanchez. If he doesn't want to come, move on with all that cash and find someone who genuinely wants to give his all for us. It's a big season.

If we want Sanchez then he should be part of the Suarez deal because we'll get better value that way (or any decent negotiator would get better value, not sure about Ayre) ! In separate deals if we get the max from Barca for Suarez then Barca are going to screw us for the max from Sanchez. A compromise may see us get slightly better value.

 

[mark1975]

Yes, but as LFC appear to always be the last to be told anything - after all, the last they heard from Suarez was that he was looking forward to being at the club for several more years - that's not really very reassuring.

Quite, his stance (and Ben Smith's) seems to be to repeatedly state that we "haven't been told he doesn't want to come here", I think the obvious flip side to that is that we haven't been told that he wants to come here.

 

[Frogfish]

Quite, his stance (and Ben Smith's) seems to be to repeatedly state that we "haven't been told he doesn't want to come here", I think the obvious flip side to that is that we haven't been told that he wants to come here.

But if Ben Smith is right then that would mean the other rumours of he said she said are bollocks.

 

[mark1975]

But if Ben Smith is right then that would mean the other rumours of he said she said are bollocks.

It doesn't really does it? The comments are coming from supposed sources who are close to the player, we know this can either be bollocks or true, it works both ways. All the press are saying is that we haven't been told directly by the club or the player that this is true - it doesn't mean it isn't, until we hear otherwise anyway.

 

[gkmacca]

But if Ben Smith is right then that would mean the other rumours of he said she said are bollocks.

Yeah, but most of the accurate stuff about Barca comes from Spain, not London, so as reliable as Smith and Co usually are, I don't think they know much about what's going on in this case until it's at a fairly advanced stage. That's no criticism of them, it's just how it is.