A Simple YES or NO
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Squiggles
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Nope.
Only the end of the season's the only time to deal with a managers future.
Only the end of the season's the only time to deal with a managers future.
I'm with Squiggles.
He's the only manager i'd take over Rafa.
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36930.msg978415#msg978415 date=1257336205]
Nope, never.
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Nope, never.
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Whelan wouldn't be pleased, either:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/mourinho-defends-inter-milan-rotation-policy-1809698.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/mourinho-defends-inter-milan-rotation-policy-1809698.html
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36930.msg978425#msg978425 date=1257336600]
Out of interest, those who wouldn't - is it just cause he's an arrogant prat who doesn't fit 'The Liverpool Way' or because of his managerial capabilities?
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Both.
Out of interest, those who wouldn't - is it just cause he's an arrogant prat who doesn't fit 'The Liverpool Way' or because of his managerial capabilities?
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Both.
I personally don't see what he'd bring that Rafa doesn't.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
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the_khl
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[quote author=the count link=topic=36930.msg978426#msg978426 date=1257336660]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36930.msg978425#msg978425 date=1257336600]
Out of interest, those who wouldn't - is it just cause he's an arrogant prat who doesn't fit 'The Liverpool Way' or because of his managerial capabilities?
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Both.
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36930.msg978425#msg978425 date=1257336600]
Out of interest, those who wouldn't - is it just cause he's an arrogant prat who doesn't fit 'The Liverpool Way' or because of his managerial capabilities?
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Both.
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Maureen won successive titles in 3 countries - and a CL to boot.
I don't understand how people can still question his credentials, or worse - indicate that Kermit the Frog could win the title if they were given access to his funds. Tonnes of managers were given huge dollops of cash and failed miserably. Weren't Sunderland close to the top spenders just a season or two ago, fat load of good that did them!
I would absolutely brick myself if he took over after Fergie.
I don't understand how people can still question his credentials, or worse - indicate that Kermit the Frog could win the title if they were given access to his funds. Tonnes of managers were given huge dollops of cash and failed miserably. Weren't Sunderland close to the top spenders just a season or two ago, fat load of good that did them!
I would absolutely brick myself if he took over after Fergie.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=36930.msg978429#msg978429 date=1257337035]
I personally don't see what he'd bring that Rafa doesn't.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
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I do largely agree but this is Rafa's 6th season to win the league and we're out already, IMO.
It's arguably someone else deserves a chance at this club. I'm not sure Jose would do a better job under the circumstances, probably not when come to buying players. But as for making the most of what he's got, motivating the team and getting the best out of them, I think he probably would.
We should stick by Rafa this season and into the following season, too - after last season it's the least he deserves. However Jose becoming available and interested in the job is one of the few factors which would make me think twice about my faith in Rafa.
I personally don't see what he'd bring that Rafa doesn't.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
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I do largely agree but this is Rafa's 6th season to win the league and we're out already, IMO.
It's arguably someone else deserves a chance at this club. I'm not sure Jose would do a better job under the circumstances, probably not when come to buying players. But as for making the most of what he's got, motivating the team and getting the best out of them, I think he probably would.
We should stick by Rafa this season and into the following season, too - after last season it's the least he deserves. However Jose becoming available and interested in the job is one of the few factors which would make me think twice about my faith in Rafa.
If Rafa were to leave of his own accord, then I would consider taking on Jose(not totally happy about it though), as he's likely to want to come here and he is a proven winner. But I would not get rid of Rafa now, so it's a bit of a non-question for me to be honest. And even if were to let Rafa go, I don't think Jose would do better assuming the owners didn't come with a lot of money for him to spend.
Which is what I meant in my first reply about it depending, it's not a simple question, it depends on what kind of money he'd be left to play with and a few other factors.
Which is what I meant in my first reply about it depending, it's not a simple question, it depends on what kind of money he'd be left to play with and a few other factors.
No.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36930.msg978449#msg978449 date=1257338181]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=36930.msg978429#msg978429 date=1257337035]
I personally don't see what he'd bring that Rafa doesn't.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
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I do largely agree but this is Rafa's 6th season to win the league and we're out already, IMO.
It's arguably someone else deserves a chance at this club. I'm not sure Jose would do a better job under the circumstances, probably not when come to buying players. But as for making the most of what he's got, motivating the team and getting the best out of them, I think he probably would.
We should stick by Rafa this season and into the following season, too - after last season it's the least he deserves. However Jose becoming available and interested in the job is one of the few factors which would make me think twice about my faith in Rafa.
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He wouldn't have got THAT team/squad in 05 to the finals never mind go on to win the CL only Rafa did and could have, if thats not motivation I don't know what the fuck is!
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=36930.msg978429#msg978429 date=1257337035]
I personally don't see what he'd bring that Rafa doesn't.
His style of play is often very similar.
His record in the transfer market is arguably worse.
He prioritises Europe as much as Rafa does.
He's a better media man in terms of deflecting attention(but he can be embarrassing on occasions too)
He has never made anything of a youth system, and ignores it as far as I'm aware.
If you put Rafa's achievements on par with his Porto ones, and each of them had got each others jobs, I'm sure their respective records would be quite similar. In fact I think Rafa may well have actually kept the Chelsea job for longer and won more. It was a lot easier to win with Chelsea and Inter than it was to win with us.
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I do largely agree but this is Rafa's 6th season to win the league and we're out already, IMO.
It's arguably someone else deserves a chance at this club. I'm not sure Jose would do a better job under the circumstances, probably not when come to buying players. But as for making the most of what he's got, motivating the team and getting the best out of them, I think he probably would.
We should stick by Rafa this season and into the following season, too - after last season it's the least he deserves. However Jose becoming available and interested in the job is one of the few factors which would make me think twice about my faith in Rafa.
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He wouldn't have got THAT team/squad in 05 to the finals never mind go on to win the CL only Rafa did and could have, if thats not motivation I don't know what the fuck is!
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Squiggles
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Probably not, no.
But to signal that out as a motivational triumph is wrong, IMO. We know it was a tactical masterpiece against all the odds. Other than HT in Istanbul, we don't know what was said and done in the dressing room. And Rafa's since had better squads, full of players he's signed, and got very little from them, so what does that signal? We can't keep going back to 2005, it's too long ago now.
Put it this way, the Chelsea players constantly sang his praises, were madly loyal to the guy, and gutted when he left to the point many considered leaving. It's not based on much, but I'm not sure the same would be true if Rafa left.
But to signal that out as a motivational triumph is wrong, IMO. We know it was a tactical masterpiece against all the odds. Other than HT in Istanbul, we don't know what was said and done in the dressing room. And Rafa's since had better squads, full of players he's signed, and got very little from them, so what does that signal? We can't keep going back to 2005, it's too long ago now.
Put it this way, the Chelsea players constantly sang his praises, were madly loyal to the guy, and gutted when he left to the point many considered leaving. It's not based on much, but I'm not sure the same would be true if Rafa left.
Agree. I don't think it's possible to say with any certainty whether Mourinho would or wouldn't do/have done better than Rafa with the same resources. I don't think he has Rafa's tactical awareness, but his man-management is much more insightful and versatile.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36930.msg978524#msg978524 date=1257342572]
Probably not, no.
But to signal that out as a motivational triumph is wrong, IMO. We know it was a tactical masterpiece against all the odds. Other than HT in Istanbul, we don't know what was said and done in the dressing room. And Rafa's since had better squads, full of players he's signed, and got very little from them, so what does that signal? We can't keep going back to 2005, it's too long ago now.
Put it this way, the Chelsea players constantly sang his praises, were madly loyal to the guy, and gutted when he left to the point many considered leaving. It's not based on much, but I'm not sure the same would be true if Rafa left.
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Our best players have always sung Rafa's praises.
Probably not, no.
But to signal that out as a motivational triumph is wrong, IMO. We know it was a tactical masterpiece against all the odds. Other than HT in Istanbul, we don't know what was said and done in the dressing room. And Rafa's since had better squads, full of players he's signed, and got very little from them, so what does that signal? We can't keep going back to 2005, it's too long ago now.
Put it this way, the Chelsea players constantly sang his praises, were madly loyal to the guy, and gutted when he left to the point many considered leaving. It's not based on much, but I'm not sure the same would be true if Rafa left.
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Our best players have always sung Rafa's praises.
I'm still backing Rafa, but I've got to admit individual man-management looks like his Achilles heel. The skwad is made up not just of the best players but also of "squad players" and all of them at Chelsea would have walked through a brick wall for Mourinho, whereas even the praise for Rafa from (most) senior LFC players hasn't reflected that kind of personal rapport. Managers aren't there to be loved, but a smidgeon of it helps, especially over the long drawn-out grind of a league season.
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