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Wednesday's Gossip: Bent £10million

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34354.msg894340#msg894340 date=1245865986]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34354.msg894331#msg894331 date=1245865648]
I think it's unlikely but certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, and I don't see many other names coming forward.

Maybe KopKing has a point; a young up'n'comer maybe the best not candidate, but should Torres spend so long on the sidelines again - something I know you're pessimistic about - I wouldn't want our title challenge to be over, and I think it would be with an inexperienced player.

I'd rather target a good player who's unhappy on the bench than an average 'lucky to be at Liverpool' shmuck.

With Bent I think the balance (and the fee) are about right.
[/quote]Im not concerned because i think that Deadly has progressed enough to convince me that he can do a fine job nowadays. He was great last year, and he is my back up striker. Thats why Silva is perfect for me because he can cover for Riera and Kuyt.
Id rather spend all our cash on rm/lm
[/quote]

Thing is, we'll need Arbeloa to stay so that Johnson can cover Kuyts position, leaving him free to fill in for Fernando Torres. Also depends upon how well Johnson settles but I don't expect that to be a problem.

100% with you on Silva - he's the priority signing. And if Torres manages to stay fit all year, it'll make threads like this an utter waste of time.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34354.msg894340#msg894340 date=1245865986]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34354.msg894331#msg894331 date=1245865648]
I think it's unlikely but certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, and I don't see many other names coming forward.

Maybe KopKing has a point; a young up'n'comer maybe the best not candidate, but should Torres spend so long on the sidelines again - something I know you're pessimistic about - I wouldn't want our title challenge to be over, and I think it would be with an inexperienced player.

I'd rather target a good player who's unhappy on the bench than an average 'lucky to be at Liverpool' shmuck.

With Bent I think the balance (and the fee) are about right.
[/quote]Im not concerned because i think that Deadly has progressed enough to convince me that he can do a fine job nowadays. He was great last year, and he is my back up striker. Thats why Silva is perfect for me because he can cover for Riera and Kuyt.
Id rather spend all our cash on rm/lm
[/quote]

I'd settle for that.
 
I forgot we've got Yossi to cover RW as well.

I'd be sad to lose Arbeloa but given the fee we splashed on Johnson and his contract status, it was always unlikely he'd stay.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34354.msg894351#msg894351 date=1245866760]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34354.msg894340#msg894340 date=1245865986]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34354.msg894331#msg894331 date=1245865648]
I think it's unlikely but certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, and I don't see many other names coming forward.

Maybe KopKing has a point; a young up'n'comer maybe the best not candidate, but should Torres spend so long on the sidelines again - something I know you're pessimistic about - I wouldn't want our title challenge to be over, and I think it would be with an inexperienced player.

I'd rather target a good player who's unhappy on the bench than an average 'lucky to be at Liverpool' shmuck.

With Bent I think the balance (and the fee) are about right.
[/quote]Im not concerned because i think that Deadly has progressed enough to convince me that he can do a fine job nowadays. He was great last year, and he is my back up striker. Thats why Silva is perfect for me because he can cover for Riera and Kuyt.
Id rather spend all our cash on rm/lm
[/quote]

Thing is, we'll need Arbeloa to stay so that Johnson can cover Kuyts position, leaving him free to fill in for Fernando Torres. Also depends upon how well Johnson settles but I don't expect that to be a problem.

100% with you on Silva - he's the priority signing. And if Torres manages to stay fit all year, it'll make threads like this an utter waste of time.
[/quote]

We don't need Johnson to cover Kuyt at RW - Yossi can do that job with more creativity than any full-back.
 
Haha, I completely forgot about him.

Would've been understandable up until around Christmas, but not now.

Soz Yos.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=34354.msg894432#msg894432 date=1245871154]
You're quiffing yourself there judge as I answered this for you the other day


Phillip of course. 😉
[/quote]

Oh sh!t, that's right.

Well, you're as off beam today as you were then about that. 😛
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34354.msg894318#msg894318 date=1245864425]
Why do people think Bent would be in any way suited to a wide berth in a 4-2-3-1?
Seriously why?
I'm not being a dick, i just must have completely missed something in him over all the years of watching him perform in one position only. He's a fast over the top striker and a decent finisher. But he isnt a very good passer, isnt very aware, isnt very....at all creative. Hes a blunt instrument. I genuinely dont understand.
He wont come here.
We wont sign him.
He doesnt fit our needs.
Its just barmy. Why is it 5 pages?
Theoretically if we had 10m to spare and he was happy being second fiddle to the one and only position he could play in id be all for it. We dont, he wouldnt be, so im not.
[/quote]

Is correct.

The thing about bent is that he's just not a very good footballer. It's like he's not got a great football-brain or something. Sure, he's quick and can score the odd goal, but everytime I watch him I'm dumbfounded by how bad his movement is, the positions he takes up, and how he really can't play the 1 up front role. There was a reason why Keane was brought straight back into that Spurs side ahead of him - despite less goals - Keane's a footballer. The team can play with him, he can receive it, hold it up, bring others into the play, and retain possessio in their attacking third. Bent's shit at all of those things. Bent can score goals, but Spurs are a better team without him.

Remember those games he got for England? He looked so so lost it was uncomfortable to watch. There's a massive step-up required to play for an International side or a Top 4 side, and Bent couldn't do it. He's a less angry Cisse, and great sides need better players than that unfortunately.
 
Either you're all a bunch of quiffin' muthawhats or I'm just not making myself very clear, I'm going with the former.

I'm not saying Bent is the answer to our problems out wide. Not at all.

Like Squiggles has said, it's gonna be hard work to convince any half decent triker to coem here and play second fiddle to Torres. So that's anyone who's worth coming. To use Bent, or whoever, as an 'option' wide was more about keeping them playing first team football and using it to persuade them to come to the club. You've gotta offer a player more than just being back up to Torres, he's gotta see where he's gonna have his opportunities.

Plus, I think a lot of people are selling Bent short, I do think he could be effective playing in the three. It's fine if no one agrees, but that doesn't make me 'wrong'.
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34354.msg894836#msg894836 date=1245921537]
Plus, I think a lot of people are selling Bent short, I do think he could be effective playing in the three. It's fine if no one agrees, but that doesn't make me 'wrong'.
[/quote]

Heh, it makes a damn good argument for it though.
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34354.msg894836#msg894836 date=1245921537]
Either you're all a bunch of quiffin' muthawhats or I'm just not making myself very clear, I'm going with the former.

I'm not saying Bent is the answer to our problems out wide. Not at all.

Like Squiggles has said, it's gonna be hard work to convince any half decent triker to coem here and play second fiddle to Torres. So that's anyone who's worth coming. To use Bent, or whoever, as an 'option' wide was more about keeping them playing first team football and using it to persuade them to come to the club. You've gotta offer a player more than just being back up to Torres, he's gotta see where he's gonna have his opportunities.

Plus, I think a lot of people are selling Bent short, I do think he could be effective playing in the three. It's fine if no one agrees, but that doesn't make me 'wrong'.
[/quote]

Come on Anita, you can't play him on the wing just to 'keep him happy'. The manager should pick the best team, not balance out all the egos. Or are you saying we should just lie to Bent and *tell* him he might get a few games on the wings?
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34354.msg894836#msg894836 date=1245921537]
Either you're all a bunch of quiffin' muthawhats or I'm just not making myself very clear, I'm going with the former.

I'm not saying Bent is the answer to our problems out wide. Not at all.

Like Squiggles has said, it's gonna be hard work to convince any half decent triker to coem here and play second fiddle to Torres. So that's anyone who's worth coming. To use Bent, or whoever, as an 'option' wide was more about keeping them playing first team football and using it to persuade them to come to the club. You've gotta offer a player more than just being back up to Torres, he's gotta see where he's gonna have his opportunities.

Plus, I think a lot of people are selling Bent short, I do think he could be effective playing in the three. It's fine if no one agrees, but that doesn't make me 'wrong'.
[/quote]Anita please. Sign a decent back up to Torres, but with Torres hopefully being fit, crowbar him in at left midfield.
In all the years ive known you, this be as close to wrong as you could get.
If i didnt like you id say 'youre just wrong' but i do. X
 
It's not the 'wing' though, is it? We're playing a 4231, so the players in the three are far more advanced than a winger in a 4231.

Seriously, who would have thought Kuyt would have been effective there? People really don't think he'd be more effective than Babel or Riera?

I think any player that's gonna sign needs to see that there's more in it for him than just back up to Torres, he should be told that he will be competing for wider positions. *Competing*. Of course, if he's crap than Rafa plays whoever's best in that position.

I don't undertsand why people think of players and formations in a such a static sense. I wanna see fluid movement in the final third, we need players who are flexible and dynamic enough to do that.
 
I understand her logic in fairness, but I just don't believe Bent has the capabilities and think the idea is instantly dismissed because we're tired of 'square pegs for round holes' thinking.

In her Anita's defence, who guessed Dirk would be the second top-scoring right-midfielder a few years ago?
 
Bent is poor mans Cisse, I really hope we dont spunk 10 Million on him, I'd much rather we signed a wideman who could fill in up front when needed or even just a specilaist wideman and let Kuyt/Babbel be Torres backup, we wouldn't get better than them happy to come and sit on the bench anyway.

Pity Tevez is off to city as he could play any of the top 4 positions and be quality
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34354.msg894860#msg894860 date=1245922420]
It's not the 'wing' though, is it? We're playing a 4231, so the players in the three are far more advanced than a winger in a 4231.

Seriously, who would have thought Kuyt would have been effective there? People really don't think he'd be more effective than Babel or Riera?

I think any player that's gonna sign needs to see that there's more in it for him than just back up to Torres, he should be told that he will be competing for wider positions. *Competing*. Of course, if he's crap than Rafa plays whoever's best in that position.

I don't undertsand why people think of players and formations in a such a static sense. I wanna see fluid movement in the final third, we need players who are flexible and dynamic enough to do that.
[/quote]

But your last line says it all. Does Bent strike you as flexible or dynamic? Kuyt has adapted because his strongest quality, other than workrate, is intelligence. I'm not sure that's true of Darren Bent.
 
This thread makes it sound like I think Darren Bent is amazing, and I don't really. I think he's a good player who's worth £10million.

But having to defend him against half the forum means the view is now extreme, so I'm gonna stop now.
 
Good.

For what it's worth, I don't think many people would be against spending around £10M on Bent, he's a decent striker. I'd like to see him here for around that. I just don't think he could perform outwide in any way shape or form.
 
To those who say Bent cannot play a wide forward position;
1. Have you seen him play there a number of times, and fail a number of times? Or are you guessing that he'd fail?
2. Would you have considered playing Anelka in that position too, had we signed him (seeing as he now sometimes occupies that berth with some success, when he didn't used to)? My guess is you wouldn't.
No doubt someone will come out with a pearler as to why they spotted Anelka would be good for that role years ago.

To those people who advocate paying big for obscure foreign prospects, IMO Bent would get us 10+ goals a season dependent on how we utilised him. So, buying an unknown foreigner for more than 10mil means he needs to beat that, or is a failure/waste of money/we could have done better. So, considering the outlay, that's settle in the Country, settle in the area, settle in the team and score 13 or so a season; straight away, not in 3 years. Can't see it.

People keep talking about that Lavezzi as if we are buying Tevez but 5 years younger and half the price. I very much doubt that otherwise the whole Footballing world would be all over him like a rash when clearly they're not.

This thread is making me sound like I want us to sign Bent when really I am quite meh about the whole thing. But, at 10mil, he represents good value for money and a lower risk than half the players being touted as potential signings.
 
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