..and Soton won't let it go apparently.
Could this end up with a complete transfer ban?
Could this end up with a complete transfer ban?
Virgiling on the vandijkulous
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If that was the case, we'd need to get anyone else we're interested in over the fucking line sharpish.
The whole idea of one employer reporting another because they offered their employee a job without the employers consent is mental.
It doesn't cover the fact that the club clearly dropped the ball here. Heads shouldn't be rolling though , that's equally mad given that is pretty much par for the course
It doesn't cover the fact that the club clearly dropped the ball here. Heads shouldn't be rolling though , that's equally mad given that is pretty much par for the course
I'd be willing to bet it's fairly common, being 'caught' is the unusual bit.
Arsenal were pretty pissed off by the whole saga, which is probably the real reason that Chelsea, Mourinho and Cole were reported.
But then Arsenal aren't immune either, Wenger has pretty much admitted to tapping up Suarez - Liverpool decided not to pursue the complaint.
Like i say i think meeting with the player crosses the line.
Did Wenger meet Suarez ?
Well I'm in agreement there, as I mentioned above in the NB.
It seems the extremely embarrassing statement is because we are, justifiably, worried about a possible transfer ban or points deduction (Chelsea have previously been given a suspended 3 pts deduction). Something went massively wrong here and it could impact what we have to pay for other players now (certainly for another CB).
Fun fact : There was talk of Southampton being reported for tapping up VVD whilst he was at Celtic.
Hacks know all about it. They could expose it whenever they wanted, but why would they? They know that, for one thing, it would make their jobs harder, because it's knowing it's going on (but keeping quiet about it while monitoring it) that helps them to shape stories, and, for another thing, they know that if it didn't happen at all the transfer system would barely function at more than a snail's pace.
They also know that Southampton do it as much as we do, but calling out the hypocrisy would lead to the above happening, so they don't call it out.
I think most or all other clubs will be unhappy with Southampton about this, because if you shone a torch elsewhere any of the other clubs would be caught doing much the same. Making this an issue is not something a club can really do a second time, because it would pretty much make them impossible to deal with. For all of the public furore, behind the scenes, Southampton is the club that will be seen as the most questionable in all this.
They also know that Southampton do it as much as we do, but calling out the hypocrisy would lead to the above happening, so they don't call it out.
I think most or all other clubs will be unhappy with Southampton about this, because if you shone a torch elsewhere any of the other clubs would be caught doing much the same. Making this an issue is not something a club can really do a second time, because it would pretty much make them impossible to deal with. For all of the public furore, behind the scenes, Southampton is the club that will be seen as the most questionable in all this.
No wonder Southampton complained.
No idea, Wenger did say that Arsenal had an agreement with Suarez so you'd have to at least think that he'd spoken with him - a face to face isn't that big of a leap from there.
But like I said, I'm of the opinion that it probably happens more than you might think - and it goes both ways, let's not forget that Cole was found guilty and fined for approaching Chelsea!
Possibly. They certainly spoke several times by phone. I'm not sure a line drawn between physically meeting and meeting telephonically is much of a line to respect.
My understanding or expectation is that all contact with agents is fine. Anything beyond that is taking the piss.
I would imagine in the Suarez scenario the contact was always with the agent.
I've never seen that mentioned before
In professional team sports, tapping up (British English) or tampering (American English) is an attempt to persuade a player contracted to one team to transfer to another team, without the knowledge or permission of the player's current team. This kind of approach is often made through the player's agent. It is expressly forbidden in many professional leagues, but is not illegal.
Whether it's fine or not is up to the teams involved, but contact through agents is still very much tapping up.
I'm aware of that but its a less egregious breach of the rules.
But a breach of the rules all the same, which is the point, because it probably happens in just about every transfer - yet very few are reported for it. And if we are honest, agent contact is the first step on the ladder towards the more severe rule breaches that you are pointing at, if that's the case then surely it is an egregious breach of the rules in many cases as it facilitates manager and player interactions outside of the selling club's permission.
It's not the tapping up that's wrong per se, it's that it's a rule in the first place.
And yet no club reports others for agent contact. There's clearly an understanding that the clubs draw a line in the sand.
Have we ever reported other clubs when players were obviously tapped up ?
Yes, the whole issue is entrenched within a hypocritical paradigm. One can't pretend it's something to be judged in isolation. If everything, formally, is technically deemed as tapping up if it happens prior to asking the permission of a club, then it's all objectionable or none of it is. You can't rule it's all illegitimate and then randomly pick one instance because it happens to piss you off more than all the rest, or it just suits you cynically to suddenly take umbrage. Taking this story at face value is just self-inflicted masochism.
Covered by my last line, Rosco - we agree on this, if the clubs don't see it as an issue then it should be removed from the rulebook.
As to your question, I don't think so. I know the club declined to make a complaint after the Suarez to Arsenal stuff, not sure if we have come close on any other occasions.
Except our club has never taken that stance , have they ?
Isn't that the point that's being made?
I could literally headbutt Sterling repeatedly for an hour.
Lukaku has just come out and said he has an agreement with another club. He's clearly been tapped up, but everyone involved is much smarter than us.
We can complain all we like, point fingers at the rules, other clubs, the Echo, the FA, whatever, but the bottom line is we know what the "unwritten" rules are. We know what is deemed acceptable and what isn't. But someone has fucked up and made a right show of themselves and the club. The only issue for me that's really worthy of discussion is whether or not it was done through incompetence or sheer smugness. Both deserve to see heads rolling.
We can complain all we like, point fingers at the rules, other clubs, the Echo, the FA, whatever, but the bottom line is we know what the "unwritten" rules are. We know what is deemed acceptable and what isn't. But someone has fucked up and made a right show of themselves and the club. The only issue for me that's really worthy of discussion is whether or not it was done through incompetence or sheer smugness. Both deserve to see heads rolling.
Indeed, and Celtic complained about this very issue when van Dijk moved from Celtic to Southampton.
Sounds like Southampton got pissed off because the briefing that was sent out on Monday made them look like idiots and removed every inch of a bargain tool they had regarding fee.
You'd think the person responsible for the briefing will be sacked.
To add insult to injury for Celtic they're also losing out on a sell-on fee as well. Ouch.
It's being reported that van Dijk has removed from social media any pictures/avatars of him wearing a Southampton shirt. So they face a choice between trying to sell him to a club he's already rejected and keeping a player who's clearly utterly disillusioned with them. Serves the feckers right.
He will go to Chelsea or City is my guess. Southampton know they won't be able to keep him and they will have known that before reporting us. I doubt neither party will lose out. Well, apart from us, of course.
They'll also be pariahs for all the other clubs interested in their players.
We'll have to bring back the fax machine.
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I'd question his commitment to that protest..
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