Virgiling on the vandijkulous

[StevieM]

My understanding or expectation is that all contact with agents is fine. Anything beyond that is taking the piss.

I would imagine in the Suarez scenario the contact was always with the agent.

They used to call it proximity talks in the north.

People who couldn't (or wouldn't) be seen talking together would sit in seperate rooms and have someone go between the rooms relaying what each other said.

Utterly ridiculous.

As GK has said - maybe the thing that made the difference was the face-to-face with Klopp.

I'd want to have a face-to-face with my new boss before agreeing a move, regardless of the package on offer - and I can assure you I'm no footballer.

The issue is, we got caught, by being dickheads about it.

Now Southampton are a selling team - as is 90% of teams - they might want to hold on to the player, but realistically there's a point at which they would ALWAYS sell.

I reckon they got greedy, figured they could get an auction going between a few of the super rich clubs.

I reckon, after we'd got VVD on side, it would have given us a great negotiating position to dictate more favourable terms for the transfer - because we were his preferred destination.

You'd wonder - given the amount of transfers between the 2 clubs over the years, how it has got to this.

Don't believe Southampton come out of it particularly well either - better PR wise, but they've effectively pissed off a key player who wanted a move - or if they do sell they've made themselves look like petty dickheads - unless someone else is arguably stupid enough to offer upwards of £60m for a centre back.

 

[Judge Jules]

HC: because he/those reporting this/both missed one pic which you have to look hard at to check that it's a Southampton shirt anyway?

 

[Red Astaire]

They used to call it proximity talks in the north.

People who couldn't (or wouldn't) be seen talking together would sit in seperate rooms and have someone go between the rooms relaying what each other said.

Utterly ridiculous.

As GK has said - maybe the thing that made the difference was the face-to-face with Klopp.

I'd want to have a face-to-face with my new boss before agreeing a move, regardless of the package on offer - and I can assure you I'm no footballer.

The issue is, we got caught, by being dickheads about it.

Now Southampton are a selling team - as is 90% of teams - they might want to hold on to the player, but realistically there's a point at which they would ALWAYS sell.

I reckon they got greedy, figured they could get an auction going between a few of the super rich clubs.

I reckon, after we'd got VVD on side, it would have given us a great negotiating position to dictate more favourable terms for the transfer - because we were his preferred destination.

You'd wonder - given the amount of transfers between the 2 clubs over the years, how it has got to this.

Don't believe Southampton come out of it particularly well either - better PR wise, but they've effectively pissed off a key player who wanted a move - or if they do sell they've made themselves look like petty dickheads - unless someone else is arguably stupid enough to offer upwards of £60m for a centre back.

Good post and I entirely agree.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I think the more pertinent question - Is there a mole ? And who is it ?

*cue Dr Evil look and theme song*




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[HC]

HC: because he/those reporting this/both missed one pic which you have to look hard at to check that it's a Southampton shirt anyway?

you kidding me, it's chocca with images of him in a Southampton kit..

his Instagram is made up of JUST images of him in a Southampton kit or referencing the club in some way

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I think meeting with the player is fairly unusual.
Mourinho did get caught for it with Ashley Cole.

I would expect all clubs to be in contact with the agent. But the meeting was clearly going beyond what is the norm.
We gave Southampton a perfect opportunity to screw us by doing that.

What if it was a FaceTime call ? Does that count ?


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[doctor_mac]

What if it was a FaceTime call ? Does that count ?


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He flew to Blackpool to do a facetime call?

 

[The Nomad]

you kidding me, it's chocca with images of him in a Southampton kit..

his Instagram is made up of JUST images of him in a Southampton kit or referencing the club in some way

Basically it started last night as he changed his avatar to his holland kit, and removed reference to Professional Footballer for @Southamptonfc & @onsoranje
To just @onsoranje

I think he removed the Southampton England bit as well.

Obviously giddy Liverpool fans and disgruntled Southampton picked up on it, so he added the words back in pronto.

However screenshots exist somewhere of the altered profile.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

He flew to Blackpool to do a facetime call?

I must have missed out this bit. What Blackpool trip ?


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[StevieM]

Good post and I entirely agree.

I think the end point is - he stays for another year, underperforms and moves to someone else at a fraction of the price.

Which, given his injury, might be about right.

My response now would be - ok, Southampton can go fuck themselves - we've given them a fuck load of money over the years - let them have their petty moment of glory - they'll be in a relegation scrap soon enough.

They're never going to be anything other than a mediocre feeder club - that will ultimately regret not cashing in on the best players, because of their delusions of grandeur, and because they can't offer the wages and success that "top" players, managers or whomever want.

I almost hope VVD stays with them - and his injury fucks him up and them for the season.

I say "almost" because I'm not entirely sure I could cope with Ross telling us how right he was [emoji12]

 

[doctor_mac]

I must have missed out this bit. What Blackpool trip ?


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Man, you're so far out of the loop you can't see the loop with binoculars.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I hate long threads.


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[Rosco]

I say "almost" because I'm not entirely sure I could cope with Ross telling us how right he was [emoji12]

Wouldn't it just be easier to trust my judgment on transfers ?

 

[doctor_mac]

I hate long threads.


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I knew Rosco would like that post.

 

[Kay Age El]

He flew to Blackpool to do a facetime call?

Wonderful reception in Blackpool I've heard, and you'd want a crisp non-pixelated connection when you are on the tap-up!

Makes sense.

 

[Rosco]

I knew Rosco would like that post.

People want to see the news.

Can't blame him

 

[Red Astaire]

I think the end point is - he stays for another year, underperforms and moves to someone else at a fraction of the price.

Which, given his injury, might be about right.

My response now would be - ok, Southampton can go fuck themselves - we've given them a fuck load of money over the years - let them have their petty moment of glory - they'll be in a relegation scrap soon enough.

They're never going to be anything other than a mediocre feeder club - that will ultimately regret not cashing in on the best players, because of their delusions of grandeur, and because they can't offer the wages and success that "top" players, managers or whomever want.

I almost hope VVD stays with them - and his injury fucks him up and them for the season.

I say "almost" because I'm not entirely sure I could cope with Ross telling us how right he was [emoji12]

I'm not entirely convinced this is the end of the debacle to be honest. I think there might be a few little twists down the road yet. Either way they better hurry the fuck up and sign someone and bloody quick smart.

 

[King Binny]

Pondering over his next move?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

This is going to be one of those transfer sagas that will drag on past 50 pages, only to end in Rosco locking the entire thread, AND not getting the player.

Happens every summer and more certain than The Lying Rag to rise every morning.


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[mom]

This is going to be one of those transfer sagas that will drag on past 50 pages, only to end in Rosco locking the entire thread, AND not getting the player.

Happens every summer.


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Sid that. Either pay them more, which is really all they want, or jog on and buy someone else and fast.

 

[Red Astaire]

Pondering over his next move?

Blimey! Looks like he has a right cob on!

 

[Portly]

Looks like John Lennon Airport to me! 😉

 

[doctor_mac]

Looks like John Lennon Airport to me! 😉

Well, you can bet it isn't Blackpool this time.

 

[JohnnyRocket]

Diego Costa, Mkhitaryan, Van Dijk, Sanchez, Delle Alli, Texeira, Gotze, Willian, Konoplyanka

We're that guy who has all the right game to get the hot bird to go home with him, but once home he wants her to play scrabble and drink tea.

 

[Insignificance]

Diego Costa, Mkhitaryan, Van Dijk, Sanchez, Delle Alli, Texeira, Gotze, Willian, Konoplyanka

We're that guy who has all the right game to get the hot bird to go home with him, but once home he wants her to play scrabble and drink tea.

Scrabble and tea.... Can't beat that!!

 

[StevieM]

Wouldn't it just be easier to trust my judgment on transfers ?

Oh god no - that's in the realm of the unthinkable.

 

[tombrown]

This is going to be one of those transfer sagas that will drag on past 50 pages, only to end in Rosco locking the entire thread, AND not getting the player.

Sid that. Either pay them more, which is really all they want, or jog on and buy someone else and fast.

I dont think it matters how much Rosco is paid, he will still lock threads

 

[DHSC]

Not a conincidence but not a single transfer story from the Liverpool Echo today.

 

[Frogfish]

Not a conincidence but not a single transfer story from the Liverpool Echo today.

Express have the Asensio story. Though that's not new and I thought Real had already put that to bed.

 

[manwithnoname]

I've not followed this farrago too closely, because I'm not that interested in the who/ what/ why of apportioning blame, but I do wonder what Klopp makes of all this, and what it might do for his relationship with Michael Edwards, who seems to be getting much of the blame.

Mind you, FSG might just sack him regardless.