I still don't get the crowd part. Do you really think that should play a part in team selection?
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47985.msg1447303#msg1447303 date=1324326527]
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
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take manu for example, when they faced us this season they picked a side purely to nick a point when they played us.
there's is no denying that, surely?
I'm not saying picking an away side and picking a home side is correct only that it's what I would do.
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Yeah but Neil, this is where it falls short. They came to us last season without a defensive midfielder, a totally lightweight midfield and they got humped.
01 Van der Sar yellow card
03 Evra
06 Brown
12 Smalling
21 Rafael yellow card (O'Shea 76)
11 Giggs
16 Carrick
17 Nani (Hernandez 45+6)
18 Scholes yellow card (Fletcher 83)
09 Berbatov
10 Rooney
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erm, I don't get your point, I would always play a holding midfielder away from home.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47985.msg1447308#msg1447308 date=1324326811]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47985.msg1447303#msg1447303 date=1324326527]
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
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take manu for example, when they faced us this season they picked a side purely to nick a point when they played us.
there's is no denying that, surely?
I'm not saying picking an away side and picking a home side is correct only that it's what I would do.
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Yeah but Neil, this is where it falls short. They came to us last season without a defensive midfielder, a totally lightweight midfield and they got humped.
01 Van der Sar yellow card
03 Evra
06 Brown
12 Smalling
21 Rafael yellow card (O'Shea 76)
11 Giggs
16 Carrick
17 Nani (Hernandez 45+6)
18 Scholes yellow card (Fletcher 83)
09 Berbatov
10 Rooney
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erm, I don't get your point, I would always play a holding midfielder away from home.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47985.msg1447316#msg1447316 date=1324327660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47985.msg1447308#msg1447308 date=1324326811]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47985.msg1447303#msg1447303 date=1324326527]
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
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take manu for example, when they faced us this season they picked a side purely to nick a point when they played us.
there's is no denying that, surely?
I'm not saying picking an away side and picking a home side is correct only that it's what I would do.
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Yeah but Neil, this is where it falls short. They came to us last season without a defensive midfielder, a totally lightweight midfield and they got humped.
01 Van der Sar yellow card
03 Evra
06 Brown
12 Smalling
21 Rafael yellow card (O'Shea 76)
11 Giggs
16 Carrick
17 Nani (Hernandez 45+6)
18 Scholes yellow card (Fletcher 83)
09 Berbatov
10 Rooney
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erm, I don't get your point, I would always play a holding midfielder away from home.
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I pressed send to early, read the update 😉
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47985.msg1447316#msg1447316 date=1324327660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47985.msg1447308#msg1447308 date=1324326811]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47985.msg1447303#msg1447303 date=1324326527]
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
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take manu for example, when they faced us this season they picked a side purely to nick a point when they played us.
there's is no denying that, surely?
I'm not saying picking an away side and picking a home side is correct only that it's what I would do.
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Yeah but Neil, this is where it falls short. They came to us last season without a defensive midfielder, a totally lightweight midfield and they got humped.
01 Van der Sar yellow card
03 Evra
06 Brown
12 Smalling
21 Rafael yellow card (O'Shea 76)
11 Giggs
16 Carrick
17 Nani (Hernandez 45+6)
18 Scholes yellow card (Fletcher 83)
09 Berbatov
10 Rooney
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erm, I don't get your point, I would always play a holding midfielder away from home.
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I pressed send to early, read the update 😉
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47985.msg1447320#msg1447320 date=1324327785]
I still don't get the crowd part. Do you really think that should play a part in team selection?
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the crowd has nothing to do with team selection, I was saying the crowd is a big incentive for the home team to attack.
I still don't get the crowd part. Do you really think that should play a part in team selection?
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the crowd has nothing to do with team selection, I was saying the crowd is a big incentive for the home team to attack.
Well they shouldn't be if they're professional. They should play how the manager wishes them to.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47985.msg1447326#msg1447326 date=1324327962]
Well they shouldn't be if they're professional. They should play how the manager wishes them to.
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that's not how it works though is it, look at the chelsea game in the CL semi final, the crowd lifted the home team team and (and I think we can admit this) a superior chelsea side.
Well they shouldn't be if they're professional. They should play how the manager wishes them to.
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that's not how it works though is it, look at the chelsea game in the CL semi final, the crowd lifted the home team team and (and I think we can admit this) a superior chelsea side.
Lifting and inspiring yes, that's fine. Playing in a certain way, no.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47985.msg1447328#msg1447328 date=1324328101]
What happens if a teams fans are notoriously quiet ?
Does that affect your approach ?
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ha ha
I'm basically saying away games are tougher than home games, it's not a scientific fact but that's how I see it.
What happens if a teams fans are notoriously quiet ?
Does that affect your approach ?
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ha ha
I'm basically saying away games are tougher than home games, it's not a scientific fact but that's how I see it.
btw seeing as I don't go to the general forums, the dark knight rises trailer is up 🙂
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47985.msg1447303#msg1447303 date=1324326527]
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
[/quote]I agree with 50% of this post.
You place way too much emphasis on it and it clouds and dictates your logic on all footballing matters, which is a shame because something's you say are actually spot on.
Oh well.
[/quote]I agree with 50% of this post.
[quote author=iseered link=topic=47985.msg1447387#msg1447387 date=1324330498]
Obviously Neil is right that teams perform better and play more aggressively at home than they do away - a quick look at a home and away table for any year would show you that. He just places too much importance on it.
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How is our home and away record looking ?
Obviously Neil is right that teams perform better and play more aggressively at home than they do away - a quick look at a home and away table for any year would show you that. He just places too much importance on it.
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How is our home and away record looking ?
some people getting their nose bent out of shape and for what?
I'm saying what I believe if you don't agree it's not a big deal.
I'm not even saying anything radical only that I would switch certain individuals for certain games and guess what, that's exactly what the manager does.
I'm saying what I believe if you don't agree it's not a big deal.
I'm not even saying anything radical only that I would switch certain individuals for certain games and guess what, that's exactly what the manager does.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47985.msg1447407#msg1447407 date=1324332656]
Yes but managers don't change their opinions because of where the game takes place.
The assumption that the home team attacks and the away team plays on the counter is more often than not wrong. So to pick a team based on an incorrect assumption is madness.
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sure, managers pick teams based more on opposition (than location) and so would I, for instance I would play a holding midfielder against a top side so playing home or away doesn't come into it. but as I've said if a team is coming to defend against us I would tend to go with players who are better equipped to break them down. in an ideal world I'd be able to select a team that are equally adapt at defending under the cosh as they are at breaking teams down.
it isn't about 'location' it's about whether a team is going to come at us like a train or defend in numbers, so yes I would select a team to counter that or at least attempt to.
I would say roughly 7-8 of my team would remain consistent but I would change a select few based on opposition/tactics.
Yes but managers don't change their opinions because of where the game takes place.
The assumption that the home team attacks and the away team plays on the counter is more often than not wrong. So to pick a team based on an incorrect assumption is madness.
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sure, managers pick teams based more on opposition (than location) and so would I, for instance I would play a holding midfielder against a top side so playing home or away doesn't come into it. but as I've said if a team is coming to defend against us I would tend to go with players who are better equipped to break them down. in an ideal world I'd be able to select a team that are equally adapt at defending under the cosh as they are at breaking teams down.
it isn't about 'location' it's about whether a team is going to come at us like a train or defend in numbers, so yes I would select a team to counter that or at least attempt to.
I would say roughly 7-8 of my team would remain consistent but I would change a select few based on opposition/tactics.
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[quote author=iseered link=topic=47985.msg1447387#msg1447387 date=1324330498]
Obviously Neil is right that teams perform better and play more aggressively at home than they do away - a quick look at a home and away table for any year would show you that. He just places too much importance on it.
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How is our home and away record looking ?
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If you look at the the final table for 2010/2011 not a single team picked up more points away than at home. Probably just an anomaly though.
[quote author=iseered link=topic=47985.msg1447387#msg1447387 date=1324330498]
Obviously Neil is right that teams perform better and play more aggressively at home than they do away - a quick look at a home and away table for any year would show you that. He just places too much importance on it.
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How is our home and away record looking ?
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If you look at the the final table for 2010/2011 not a single team picked up more points away than at home. Probably just an anomaly though.
A serious question... A few were moaning about goal difference at the weekend. When was the last time it mattered? 1989 obviously, but has it mattered since? How about the last European Cup spot?
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A serious question... A few were moaning about goal difference at the weekend. When was the last time it mattered? 1989 obviously, but has it mattered since? How about the last European Cup spot?
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Yeah it's rare, but it's best not to leave anything to chance surely
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47985.msg1#msg1 date=1324336224]
A serious question... A few were moaning about goal difference at the weekend. When was the last time it mattered? 1989 obviously, but has it mattered since? How about the last European Cup spot?
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Yeah it's rare, but it's best not to leave anything to chance surely
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47985.msg1447407#msg1447407 date=1324332656]
Yes but managers don't change their opinions because of where the game takes place.
The assumption that the home team attacks and the away team plays on the counter is more often than not wrong. So to pick a team based on an incorrect assumption is madness.
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sure, managers pick teams based more on opposition (than location) and so would I, for instance I would play a holding midfielder against a top side so playing home or away doesn't come into it. but as I've said if a team is coming to defend against us I would tend to go with players who are better equipped to break them down. in an ideal world I'd be able to select a team that are equally adapt at defending under the cosh as they are at breaking teams down.
it isn't about 'location' it's about whether a team is going to come at us like a train or defend in numbers, so yes I would select a team to counter that or at least attempt to.
I would say roughly 7-8 of my team would remain consistent but I would change a select few based on opposition/tactics.
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All of this would be perfect if our opponents managers would be kind enough to give us advance warning as to how they were going to approach each game against us
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47985.msg1447407#msg1447407 date=1324332656]
Yes but managers don't change their opinions because of where the game takes place.
The assumption that the home team attacks and the away team plays on the counter is more often than not wrong. So to pick a team based on an incorrect assumption is madness.
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sure, managers pick teams based more on opposition (than location) and so would I, for instance I would play a holding midfielder against a top side so playing home or away doesn't come into it. but as I've said if a team is coming to defend against us I would tend to go with players who are better equipped to break them down. in an ideal world I'd be able to select a team that are equally adapt at defending under the cosh as they are at breaking teams down.
it isn't about 'location' it's about whether a team is going to come at us like a train or defend in numbers, so yes I would select a team to counter that or at least attempt to.
I would say roughly 7-8 of my team would remain consistent but I would change a select few based on opposition/tactics.
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All of this would be perfect if our opponents managers would be kind enough to give us advance warning as to how they were going to approach each game against us
Of course, but it seems to be overstated. I'm happy to be corrected.
Was moaning about it, but not simply for league table reasons.
A big win will give us a boost & possibly help some players find their shooting boots.
We have the best defensive record & IMO have bettered almost every team we've played, with shots galore in most. Should we start scoring more freely I honestly believe we'll be practically unplayable.
A big win will give us a boost & possibly help some players find their shooting boots.
We have the best defensive record & IMO have bettered almost every team we've played, with shots galore in most. Should we start scoring more freely I honestly believe we'll be practically unplayable.
Oh yes, and I get that completely. I was just curious of it had ever mattered at the top (four now) of the table since 1989?
We are going to properly shit on some team in this festive season....i tell you.
It could well be against the Geordies....Gerrard loves to play well in that fixture.
It could well be against the Geordies....Gerrard loves to play well in that fixture.
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