He probably has but doesn’t wanna just say it yet.
Trent, Salah and VVD
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Yep - and that fact we’ve immediately said no means that we’re no certain that Trent is leaving.
It absolutely means that there’s not pre-contract agreement in place with Real.
Standard Real Madrid tactic would be to try again and then resort to trying to destabilise the player and force him into asking for a move.
The thing is, the minute we say we’ll listen to offers, the power sits with Real because we’ll have just admitted Trent’s gone and they’ll be able to dictate what sort of derisory sum they pay.
What this boils down to is Trent making a decision one way or another - the longer it goes without a pre-contract agreement the more worried RM will be about it happening. The longer we continue to negotiate a new deal while batting away approaches, the more the pressure rises on Trent to be the one that makes the decision.
Regarding players leaving - I loved Klopp’s approach. Let them go. He only wanted players who wanted to be here. If they are dumb enough - like some players were - to leave and let go of being a key part of this team that could win a lot - let them go.
Who knows - maybe the Klopp curse on players who leave will be with Slot players too.
We also can’t be bent over a barrel lads
Who knows - maybe the Klopp curse on players who leave will be with Slot players too.
We also can’t be bent over a barrel lads
Thought this might be useful for Trent, I’ll take the figures with a pinch of salt, but they might be pretty accurate.
1st contract, a 6 year deal signing in 2015 for £2k a week - do he would have been 17/18 at the time. So that ran till end of ‘21.
New 5 year deal penned a year later upping his wages to £12k a week.l again running to ‘21. I guess this was a reward for breaking into the first team squad.
2019, 5 year extension signed on 75k a week - as Trent began to establish himself in the first team - aged 21.
2021, new 4year deal signed on £280k a week as Trent established himself as one of our key players - he’s aged 23.
It should be noted that all these contracts would have been agreed while Edwards was Sporting Director.
With that in mind, and this is where the problem starts- you would have expected us to have offered and negotiated a new contract to in 2023 - the problem is Edwards left a year earlier and his replacement, Julian Ward quit after 6 months at the end of 2022.
So right when we should have been renewing Trent’s contract - and this is the “big one” for him that takes him through his prime years - we are without a Sporting Director.
FSG decided that they wouldn’t rush an appointment, rather they’d take time and get the appointment right - Klopp’s mate helped out for a few months, but he clearly didn’t have responsibility for negotiating new contracts.
I’d say it’s pretty clear that FSG thought it was a low risk strategy to hold off on offering Trent a new contract - the thing they weren’t expecting was Klopp leaving which had a visible effect on Trent and most likely put a question mark about leaving that wasn’t previously there.
I think in years to come we’ll learn more about what caused Edwards and then Ward to leave their roles, why it took FSG so long to replace him and other factors around Klopp’s decision to leave - there’s clearly been something behind the scenes and all credit to all involved that they managed to keep it quiet and not destabilise the club in any way - I suspect some sort of power battle that ended up draining both sides to the point of leaving.
I don’t think Trent wants to leave as much now as he did 6 months ago - I think he had his head turned in the summer by his mate Bellendingham and Klopp leaving and he probably indicated to RM that he was open to moving.
He started the season visibly unhappy, but I think the fact we’ve played well, have gotten ourselves into a such a good position to win trophies and, more importantly, Slot has shown Trent he’ll help improve his game and Trent is enjoying himself again.
This is still his most important contract, regardless of whether it’s his boyhood club or he’s a fan - if he ever had any desire to live or play overseas while at the top of his games - this is it. I’ve heard so many old pros talk about their one regret is not going overseas when they had a chance (Roy Keane for example)… almost as many as those that left a club that later regretted it.
I don’t begrudge him asking for £300k - I don’t think he’s been particularly good this season, but I’ve seen him make a few teams of the season so far as best RB (Gary Neville’s for example????). I think that salary is reflective of one of the best RBs in world football.
To Trent’s credit - he’s saying nothing, which only leads to speculation on what he’s up to, but on the other hand, why is it always negatively viewed? None of us know where the contract negotiations have gotten to, only that nothing has been agreed with RM (or they would be leveraging it to bring a deal forward) and that Trent hasn’t indicated he wants to leave - or we would be talking to RM and trying to sign a replacement right now.
There’ll come a point in the negotiations where we’ll have offered as much as we’re willing and Trent hasn’t indicated to make a decision to take it or move on.
1st contract, a 6 year deal signing in 2015 for £2k a week - do he would have been 17/18 at the time. So that ran till end of ‘21.
New 5 year deal penned a year later upping his wages to £12k a week.l again running to ‘21. I guess this was a reward for breaking into the first team squad.
2019, 5 year extension signed on 75k a week - as Trent began to establish himself in the first team - aged 21.
2021, new 4year deal signed on £280k a week as Trent established himself as one of our key players - he’s aged 23.
It should be noted that all these contracts would have been agreed while Edwards was Sporting Director.
With that in mind, and this is where the problem starts- you would have expected us to have offered and negotiated a new contract to in 2023 - the problem is Edwards left a year earlier and his replacement, Julian Ward quit after 6 months at the end of 2022.
So right when we should have been renewing Trent’s contract - and this is the “big one” for him that takes him through his prime years - we are without a Sporting Director.
FSG decided that they wouldn’t rush an appointment, rather they’d take time and get the appointment right - Klopp’s mate helped out for a few months, but he clearly didn’t have responsibility for negotiating new contracts.
I’d say it’s pretty clear that FSG thought it was a low risk strategy to hold off on offering Trent a new contract - the thing they weren’t expecting was Klopp leaving which had a visible effect on Trent and most likely put a question mark about leaving that wasn’t previously there.
I think in years to come we’ll learn more about what caused Edwards and then Ward to leave their roles, why it took FSG so long to replace him and other factors around Klopp’s decision to leave - there’s clearly been something behind the scenes and all credit to all involved that they managed to keep it quiet and not destabilise the club in any way - I suspect some sort of power battle that ended up draining both sides to the point of leaving.
I don’t think Trent wants to leave as much now as he did 6 months ago - I think he had his head turned in the summer by his mate Bellendingham and Klopp leaving and he probably indicated to RM that he was open to moving.
He started the season visibly unhappy, but I think the fact we’ve played well, have gotten ourselves into a such a good position to win trophies and, more importantly, Slot has shown Trent he’ll help improve his game and Trent is enjoying himself again.
This is still his most important contract, regardless of whether it’s his boyhood club or he’s a fan - if he ever had any desire to live or play overseas while at the top of his games - this is it. I’ve heard so many old pros talk about their one regret is not going overseas when they had a chance (Roy Keane for example)… almost as many as those that left a club that later regretted it.
I don’t begrudge him asking for £300k - I don’t think he’s been particularly good this season, but I’ve seen him make a few teams of the season so far as best RB (Gary Neville’s for example????). I think that salary is reflective of one of the best RBs in world football.
To Trent’s credit - he’s saying nothing, which only leads to speculation on what he’s up to, but on the other hand, why is it always negatively viewed? None of us know where the contract negotiations have gotten to, only that nothing has been agreed with RM (or they would be leveraging it to bring a deal forward) and that Trent hasn’t indicated he wants to leave - or we would be talking to RM and trying to sign a replacement right now.
There’ll come a point in the negotiations where we’ll have offered as much as we’re willing and Trent hasn’t indicated to make a decision to take it or move on.
The same comments you are making as to why top players wouldn't sign for us are the same reasons the 3 musketeers haven't signed! They knew little to nothing of Slot, had no ideas what would happen to LFC after Klopp and with the management in flux. I wouldn't have signed a new contract!
The situation has changed now and because of the new manager and management the club is seen as completely stable ... And because we kept the same group of players together, and didn't indulge in wholesale change, we are currently the best team in Europe, possibly the world. So I find criticism to be verging on the mentaly unstable.
Let's not forget we have a squad full of top class players and tried hard to sign Zubimendi for £50m and picked up Chiesa to back up Mo. (the one position we didn't have adequate cover), even though that hasn't worked out, it happens.
But squealing about a lack of investment when we clearly tried to strengthen a world class squad, and have no idea of the content of the discussions between club and Slot, is slightly unhinged, or at least short-sighted, if I'm honest.
I've no doubt both Mo. and VvD will sign new contracts, they won't be able to go to a better team and both are settled here and seem to love working with Slot. Trent ... not arsed either way.
The level of vitriol works both ways. He may not want his Liverpool legacy to be soured and see himself forever cast and remembered in the same bracket as McManaman.
How do you know we're not? This forum is always the same, assuming inaction because it's not being broadcast from every pillar and post.
3 years? Absolutely not. That would be insane (except for young players seen as fast developing). Once mature players get to, or just below, 2 years is probably about right but even then only if they are seen as viable for the long term - and wanted by current management.
I don't see that anything has changed (though the media loooove it). If a club was interested they'd have made that known to their agents, knowing the time frame. If the players want that move they'd hold off anyway. If they don't then being able to sign a pre-contract is a non issue (but useful as a negotiating tool).
Urgh... you make some decent points that I might have addressed if wasn't for the whole "mentally unstable", "unhinged" digs. Your previous post referred to other posts like I'm supposed to read every comment on this forum and not repeat them in any form. I've no idea what's been said previously between you and others, but there's been a bit of undercurrent of aloofness (I am being kind with my words here) about your recent replies and to be honest, Liverpool's inability to secure player contracts doesn't mean THAT much for me to go back and forth on a forum, especially if the replies are coloured with sly digs. We'll see where the chips fall at the end of the season. I just happen to think FSG haven't done a very good job with ensuring LFC are best placed to win the league this year or next. You might disagree. That's ok. The proof will be in the pudding. Life goes on.
It's a new year. All the best.
It’s not that insane depending on context. Start negotiations at 3 to aim for when renewals at 2 since it seems to take a while but yes that would be ideally for anyond below 27 so for those relevant to contract length of around 5yrs or more.
So as well Trent leaving, I think we also going to have an issue with Mo - I read that Mo is getting offer of 500K per week (euros) from PSG, and we are only offering 400K per week Euros. We are being screwed over, and that means VVD is probably going to get a PSG offer as well, they probably go as a package - fuck it.
Big congrats to all the Academy graduates who’ve just turned 17. Those 2-year deals at £50k per annum are well-deserved.
Just some overview on Academy kids and pay.
Under 16s can’t be paid anything, but clubs will often pay expenses to their parents for ferrying them to and from the Academy and games. Those expense allowances can be pretty generous, if you take my meaning.
At 16 they’ll get a contract that pays not much more than minimum wage. But there is usually a pro deal attached to that contract which will be signed at 17, which is the youngest age they are allowed to sign pro terms.
That contract is often not the most generous, relatively speaking, it is a one-way street. If the kid signs, the club is obliged to honour the offer, but the kid can decide not to sign and walk away, in which case the club gets training compensation, no transfer fee.
By contrast, if the kid is coming on leaps and bounds in the run-up to 17, the club can offer improved terms.
But until the kid signs a pro deal at age 17, there is ultimately nothing a club can do to stop him leaving (and obviously this can work in our favour too with players like Rio).
Under 16s can’t be paid anything, but clubs will often pay expenses to their parents for ferrying them to and from the Academy and games. Those expense allowances can be pretty generous, if you take my meaning.
At 16 they’ll get a contract that pays not much more than minimum wage. But there is usually a pro deal attached to that contract which will be signed at 17, which is the youngest age they are allowed to sign pro terms.
That contract is often not the most generous, relatively speaking, it is a one-way street. If the kid signs, the club is obliged to honour the offer, but the kid can decide not to sign and walk away, in which case the club gets training compensation, no transfer fee.
By contrast, if the kid is coming on leaps and bounds in the run-up to 17, the club can offer improved terms.
But until the kid signs a pro deal at age 17, there is ultimately nothing a club can do to stop him leaving (and obviously this can work in our favour too with players like Rio).
Fwiw, whilst the signs are ominous, I don't think it's quite over yet with Trent. What's cringe as fuck however, is how so many are lapping up these games from Madrid. You could have asked anyone on this site to write a run book for how Madrid would act in January to try and unsettle Trent, and it would have word for word been exactly how they're acting right now.
Despite this all being so obvious, inexplicably, some people are still falling for it. Compose yourself kids, hate him when it's official if you want, but stop validating the way Madrid (and Barca for that matter) operate in the meantime.
If he does leave, I won't hate him, it's his life, it's his to do with as he pleases, I'll wish him well, he owes LFC nothing as he's already given it everything. The sad thing though is that I don't think he'll ever be remembered as a legend of this club in the same bracket as Gerrard, Dalglish, or even Barnes or Carra if he leaves now, certainly not by me anyway. This next contract is the one where he can cement his legacy, potentially winning a few more trophies whilst becoming our captain.
I really hope he's here to do that, as he'll be a massive lose for us as a club, both on and off the pitch, but either way, we'll move forward.
Despite this all being so obvious, inexplicably, some people are still falling for it. Compose yourself kids, hate him when it's official if you want, but stop validating the way Madrid (and Barca for that matter) operate in the meantime.
If he does leave, I won't hate him, it's his life, it's his to do with as he pleases, I'll wish him well, he owes LFC nothing as he's already given it everything. The sad thing though is that I don't think he'll ever be remembered as a legend of this club in the same bracket as Gerrard, Dalglish, or even Barnes or Carra if he leaves now, certainly not by me anyway. This next contract is the one where he can cement his legacy, potentially winning a few more trophies whilst becoming our captain.
I really hope he's here to do that, as he'll be a massive lose for us as a club, both on and off the pitch, but either way, we'll move forward.
I agree on the last two points regarding legend status gone, and us moving forward without him.
On the rest of the stuff - I disagree, its actually very bad for us in every way you look at it. We are not just a small club - we are one of the most successful clubs in Europe and RM are a European Rival as much as Man U have been considered our biggest domestic rival in terms of titles and who is the bigger club. I can understand it if he was some guy from South America or Spain that has Madrid on his head since he started playing football, but he is a local lad - and for him to want to consider this move puts us in a bad light - and again sets a precedent for future players either local or foreign. It starts a chain of wannabe RM stars and you know it does. This move kind of ruins our reputation as a club, we should not be a stepping stone to RM.
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The boss has weighed in.
That's not his official account is it ?
you need a better username
yea me either
Didn’t post something similar around Xmas
There are rumours all the time. Hopefully tomorrow is the day we get some Virgil leaning pics.
