Moron, what part of my post do you disagree with? I literally said it's a massive loss for us on and off the pitch.
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It's unrealistic to not expect this kinda thing. Yes we're a massive successful club but Madrid has a certain appeal, almost guaranteed success at every level consistently, and some players see it as the pinnacle of their possible career. If we expect Zubamendi to leave his boyhood club for us it's only the same kind of thing. We've benefited from being the bigger draw far more than we've lost. That's why we've got a squad full of players who were once the best player somewhere else, often where someone started out and supported as a kid. It's just how it is.
At least with us it's only Madrid or Barca. If you're anyone who isn't us it's everyone else losing their best players and coaches to one of a handful of clubs. City, Bayern, Arse, PSG, us... We're all looking for the best from every other club in the world.
At least with us it's only Madrid or Barca. If you're anyone who isn't us it's everyone else losing their best players and coaches to one of a handful of clubs. City, Bayern, Arse, PSG, us... We're all looking for the best from every other club in the world.
100%. What's hard about this is being reminded that we're not quite top of the pile, and that the gap to the very top still makes a difference. I've spoken in the past about how Klopp moved us from being a stepping stone to a destination club, but we're still not THE destination club.
That and the fact that it's a local kid at the centre of it. When the likes of Mascherano and Suarez wanted to go to Barca it was easier to deal with. I heard that when we played (and comprehensively beat) Barca at Wembley in pre-season and Suarez was in their team, he came into our dressing room looking for shirts after the game. When they told him he should come back he said that if we had been competing for trophies he never would have left. Truth is most of the players who stay do so because they find a love at LFC that they never had anywhere else. I suppose part of the problem here is that Trent has never known any different to realise how great it is here.
Trent has also won everything he can while playing for us, so its not difficult to understand a desire to try something else. For me, the only bitterness is in regards to not getting a fee. Thats mostly on the club though.
Another thing that people from round here don't want to hear is that it's testament to the club that we get any world class players to stay here for any length of time, never mind their whole career. It's Liverpool ffs. Yeah I'm here and I love it for all its faults but if I was a 20 odd year old millionaire I'd want to live in London or Madrid.
Agree on this - but what gets me is the fact that we could be building something really great with this new coach, and we have a squad that is very very competitive at its highest end right now - yet the local boy wants to leave for Madrid. What does that say about us as a European Contender not being able to keep our best players who are local boys ? - it is also the long term implications of this decision if he goes that is also problematic.
I just find it hard to take - and also this Madrid being special - there was like a 30 year gap in which RM did not even win a European Cup (66 to 96) - yes they have done very well but my view is the brand of football they play and the players they have are not really all that. Even in those two finals we played them - first one - I thought until Salah got violently withdrawn and our goalkeeper got punched as well - we were holding our own, 2nd final in Paris - we were the better team and they just played some defensive shit. It's not even that they play appealing football of the Barca stuff we saw with Messi and Co.
It gets boring after a while though living in those big cities. Have to say on my visit to Liverpool and stay over - there is a buzz about the city centre that I can only compare to the big cities.
It's not me you're trying to convince dude. A lot of it is branding and positive reinforcement but in the same way some massive UK bands don't feel like they've made it until they're selling out venues in the States, despite the venues there being mostly shite, there's a certain glamour to making it at those big Spanish sides and that's nothing in our control.
Well then - we really need to expand the Liverpool Brand then don't we ? FSG need to find a way to do this - they have done well expanding the commercial revenue's off field - they need to do more don't ask how.
Well it's a bit late now but I thought it might be an idea instead of only focusing on The Beatles the local tourist board could have gone mad on the pioneers of new wave like Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Dead or Alive and Echo and the Bunnymen and then the rave pioneers, everyone from KLF to K-Klass, and then made a bigger deal about all the massive computer games that began their lives here and went on to become some of the biggest software franchises on earth. But it all seems to get forgotten about, brushed under some Madchester carpet.
Psygnosis?
Even before that but yeah. First ubiquitous levels game in remember as a kid was Manic Miner which was written by some kid from Woolton who used to swap copied games in the Tandy on Saturday afternoon. But yeah pc /console wise, I think Lemmings was the first massive game before wipeout etc. There are zillions of ground breaking games that started here.
tandy, fucking hell there’s a word that’s just had an inch of dust blown off it
Sometimes, players and clubs just click. We've punched above our weight with a lot of players down the years. In recent years Klopp was a massive factor in that, but there's also a vibe about Liverpool, and our fans worship our players like no-one else does.
It's not just us either. Think Juninho and Middlesbrough, for example. I'm pretty sure Mendieta still lives up there. Sometimes the feeling of belonging is massive.
I also remember reading an interview John Barnes did a few years back for some property magazine. They asked him "If you could live anywhere in the world, where would you live?" and his reply was that he could live anywhere in the world, and he chose to live on Merseyside.
It's not just us either. Think Juninho and Middlesbrough, for example. I'm pretty sure Mendieta still lives up there. Sometimes the feeling of belonging is massive.
I also remember reading an interview John Barnes did a few years back for some property magazine. They asked him "If you could live anywhere in the world, where would you live?" and his reply was that he could live anywhere in the world, and he chose to live on Merseyside.
Not just players, managers also. Rafa has lived or can live in some pretty cool places in Spain, but hasnt Montse and Rafa decided to settle down in Merseyside?
Yeah I apologise for venting my frustration in those terms. I was venting at the debate not you personally though I appreciate that's what it sounds like, But it is difficult if someone comes into a conversation half way through and then restates points that have been thoroughly discussed and dissected earlier and not just by me.
My 'aloofness', comes from the unwillingness of some people to accept that other, really obvious, factors may have influenced the contract negotiations to the point that it simply hasn't been possible to come to an agreement until the players have been satisfied it is worth committing to LFC. And that isn't all in FSG.
In this regard its actually good that Manchester is on our doorstep. From clubs and restaurants, other sports & a destination for top gigs to the airport and and quick flight to anywhere in Europe or even further afield.
I've always wondered about this, but as I'm not from Liverpool I'd never bring it up. Could it also be that when you get to a certain level of wealth that footballers far exceed, you can almost have everything you want at your house or a chaffuer drive and five star hotel away in the UK, so why would it matter?
Obviously this is why Madrid and Barca appeal outside the country, because of the weather and culture, but then the argument becomes nice weather versus the best league in the world to prove yourself professionally, because let's be honest, there isn't so much between Liverpool, West London or Tyneside that extreme money can't equalise anyway, England's pretty meh as a whole.
Lemmings was ace! Loved that game.
I'd argue that England shits on the rest of Europe for stuff to do for kids with lots of interests, time and cash. It's just a problem cos it's expensive to live in and it's cold as fuck. If you look at cultural and artistic output it's on a different level to most other places. Most of the big music scenes start here and gradually sprawl outwards, sometimes reinvent themselves elsewhere and end up back here packaged up differently.
I agree with the Zubimendi bit, and everything in general. I think most people who consider Trent also a “fan” think he would do everything he could to leave the club in a better place.
The club made him who he is by investing in him throughout his career. he’s been a cog in a machine that won some trophies but I don’t think that justifies leaving 100m on the table by letting this happen.
Fuck him.
Yeah, he's still here. He lives up the road in Caldy. Not seen him in a while though.
Remember that time the Blue-shite put a banner outside his house saying "We know where you live?". Wasn't his house. Right road though.
Yeah, we get all those benefits without having to live in a place that the Kop famously says "is full of shit".
You know all that stuff that opposition players and managers say about Anfield? How intimidating it is to play there, how it's the best atmosphere in the league and how any result there counts double for the away side? Well imagine playing every other game with that place supporting you.
That's a massive factor too. Especially if you've grown up in one of those stadiums in Europe where there's an athletics track around the pitch putting distance between you and the fans. I can't begin to imagine how high our players must feel when they leave the field having done the business and bathed in the adulation from the stands.
That's a massive factor too. Especially if you've grown up in one of those stadiums in Europe where there's an athletics track around the pitch putting distance between you and the fans. I can't begin to imagine how high our players must feel when they leave the field having done the business and bathed in the adulation from the stands.
Currently listening to some pundits on YouTube talking about the contract situation and laying the blame on FSG for not sorting it out sooner.
Here's my question, didn't FSG try getting them to sign contracts in the summer or even before that, but it's instead the players who didn't want to commit and wanted to see how it panned out with Slot?
Who's fault is it?
Here's my question, didn't FSG try getting them to sign contracts in the summer or even before that, but it's instead the players who didn't want to commit and wanted to see how it panned out with Slot?
Who's fault is it?
Manic Miner. It’s only me favorite ever game. And now that tune is going in my head.
But yes we are there as a football destination for top players (big accomplishment) but glamourous wags don’t want to be in Manchester or Liverpool to be fair.
If you’re a bit wiser you’ll see the buzz in places like Liverpool are different but more enjoyable. A but like Galway for me. Smaller but super friendly.
And yeah, I think seeing RM as top of world football is some self serving, RM generated propaganda. I’d sooner play for a club who ‘s media treated its players well - And who’s fans sang sweet nothings as we do.
But not every player has that kind of nuance - might be changing but not yet
