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The Hodgson Out Thread

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126924#msg1126924 date=1277624290]
I don't understand why everyone has become a Rebel style conspiracy theorist Fark. That's what I'm getting at.

There have been a plethora of stories/rumours with no obvious basis in fact or logic.
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Simple black and white villains are a better target of completely impotent rage than are vague concepts like economics, debt, liquidity etc.

It's also fairly easy to hate management, during a recession, and there's an obvious precedent for the local fan base.

Especially when the owners are in fact cunts.

Did I leave anything out?
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So what are you saying about those people then ?
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126924#msg1126924 date=1277624290]
I don't understand why everyone has become a Rebel style conspiracy theorist Fark. That's what I'm getting at.

There have been a plethora of stories/rumours with no obvious basis in fact or logic.
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Simple black and white villains are a better target of completely impotent rage than are vague concepts like economics, debt, liquidity etc.

It's also fairly easy to hate management, during a recession, and there's an obvious precedent for the local fan base.

Especially when the owners are in fact cunts.

Did I leave anything out?
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So what are you saying about those people then ?
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I don't really have a good sense of SoS, who if we are honest are the chief ones spreading an agenda driven narrative. All I can say is for me, I can't really see any pragmatism in their agenda. I just don't see what is actionable in much of it, they are structurally marginalized from the off, and they haven't done a good job controlling and refining their message so as to combat that. A couple incidents have certainly turned people off. I'm sure the vast majority of their members are well intentioned, honest people, who see a shit situation and want to put it right.

Echoing my opinion on religion, a large portion of people wholly captured by any very blinkered explanatory narrative are stupid, is that what you wanted?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126924#msg1126924 date=1277624290]
I don't understand why everyone has become a Rebel style conspiracy theorist Fark. That's what I'm getting at.

There have been a plethora of stories/rumours with no obvious basis in fact or logic.
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The reason conspiracy theories grow is where there is doubt someone needs to fill the vacuum, Liverpool FC have no team manager and are rudderless and have owners who have made promises and reneged on them.

Add to that, that is a football story and therefore fact and logic will be superceded by emotion and anxiety. It's not a great leap of imagination to understand that a mass of swirling rumour will ensue.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=40731.msg1126875#msg1126875 date=1277589396]
Other clubs appoint managers quickly as well. They have to... we can't just remain rudderless.

For all the talk of wanting us to take our time, you fail to give any concrete reasons for doing so other than random notions about not settling for second best.

At the end of the day, the list of candidates we have before us in 6 months or a year from now will be more or less the same as it is now. It's generally more or less the same bunch of guys moving from job to job and they're all pretty well known. If we intend on waiting, we're essentially gambling on a) Mourinho being available and wanting to come to us or b) the emergance of a really exciting young manager who will want to come to us.

It doesn't make sense and it just seems as though you're trying to construct an argument for appointing Dalglish any way you can.
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This. Totally this
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Phooey. I could just as easily turn that back at you two and say you're trying to cobble together any old reason not to fetch Kenny in.

What really "doesn't make any sense" is that stuff about the same candidates in six months time. First of all, six months is an arbitrary limit which keni's cooked up to try and give his argument some respectability. Secondly, neither you nor I nor anyone else knows who'll be available further down the line. Keni almost admits as much himself when putting in that bit about "generally more or less", which is vague to the point of being meaningless. When he caught himself writing that, he should have known he was on a loser with this.

Other clubs aren't LFC. Most other clubs don't have either our level of expectation or the amount of value which the club still embodies. Those few that do have them spend a long time preparing their managerial succession, in a way that we haven't been able to do this time because of the uncertainty right to the end about whether and when Rafa was going to leave. They don't panic and settle for what's there at the time. Neither should we.
 
From my understanding of what I've read their agenda (SOS) seems to be agitation, protest and boycott. Sadly those strategies were OK decades ago but now football fans are consumers and families whose children don't understand the situation and want their needs fulfilled. There's a lot of pressure to go to that match, tour, buy souvenirs, get ringtones etc etc. So there's going to be no groundswell for picket lines and banner waving.

That said there are conversations going on over there (RAWK), it's by no means all one way. There is the same anger and confusion and bitterness there as there is here. This from a recent thread:

“He's been making the same mistakes for years. Dropping players after good performances, playing players out of position, taking the more productive players off and leaving the less effective ones , bringing everyone back for set pieces, not having anyone on posts, our awful attacking set pieces, there’s quite a list.

For all the good stuff he's done and he’s done a lot, he still falls at the basics for me, which is probably why we struggle to beat a team like Fulham who have struggle terribly away from home and why we couldn’t put a poor Birmingham side to the sword last week and our nearest rivals hammered them 5-1.

And then you get the defeatist crap - we get moaned at on here for being negative, yet our manager generally the most negative of all!. Throwing in the towel for games against reading for example, Birmingham last week and yesterday, saving players for this and that, it’s a deep flaw. The only time you could forgive him was in his first two years of building where the side wasn’t his and he had to reshape it.â€

The above, in my mind, was the typical belief of how some supporters construed Rafa’s failings last season – and the seasons before. Whether it be on website fora, radio phone-ins or conversations down the pub.

Any attempts to educate and highlight the problems Rafa continually faced was met with derision by those who simply could not see the bigger picture. At times the claims that I was too defensive of Rafa did make me stand back and made me wonder whether I was. Yes, I probably was. And I still am

And not without reason.

I’m certain that - had we won the league when we finished four points behind Man U with a record points tally for the club – we would have been in exactly the same position we now find ourselves in. Financially that is.

Rafa would not have been backed last summer if we had won the title. More reason to have at least backed him when we fell short by four points. Nah – no need to do that, he just needed to motivate the players and put arms round shoulders. The squad is just the same, Alonso apart.

I’m not going to go on any further about last summers “spending†because if you don’t know the point I’m making so far then you might as well just stop reading now.

Anyway, that brings me swiftly to the crux of this post because there’s no point in covering old ground.

To those of you who still believe that Rafa was a negative, ranting, stubborn, overweight dinner server – I ask you this. (You will probably remember this question to which – at the time - fanciful answers and ideas were put forward in response).

Who do you want to replace Rafa with?

I can ask this question again now with a clear conscience that I did and always have seen the bigger picture. I overly defended Rafa because I knew how long he had been fighting. For us. I knew he made mistakes. But it didn’t matter. That’s why I defended him to the hilt. I tried to explain why he bought Pennant. I tried to remind people that he had wanted Simao, Alves, Silva. But there were too many who wouldn’t listen.

All they saw were Pennant, Dossena, N’Gog, Rotation and that other fella, Zonal.

He’d failed us, Rafa. Time to move on.

None of it ever really mattered. It really didn’t. When the yanks arrived there was only one way this was going. When the only fella we had fighting our corner was undermined by not only the people above him – there was only one outcome.

And there are plenty of fickle bastards who don’t see what they surely can see now. And it is those who must hang their heads in shame. Because they have played their part in giving Purslow the ideal opportunity to rid our club of the best manager we have had since Kenny left. Rafa desperately wanted to stay. Despite earlier promises, there was no money. There is no money.

Broughton “wanted†Rafa to stay. Then came the question of money. And Rafa was forced out because of “no moneyâ€. All of a sudden, the disappointing season was cited as the reason Rafa “had to goâ€.

So well done, you fickle, head in the sand bastards…..

You got what you wanted.

So, I ask as I did many, many times.

Who do you want to replace Rafa with?

I know for a fact none of you would have come up with Roy fucking Hodgson.
 
Shit post. Poor Rafa, he wasn't allowed to spend £475727382 billion to buy everyone he wanted so he never stood a chance. Bless.
Maybe if he actually coached his team and applied some logic, such as playing players in the position they *actually* played in or being a bit unpredictable with subs etc, then maybe he would still have a job.
 
Can't be arsed even reading this thread but, given the thread title, I can imagine the bollocks spouted. For fucks sake, if Hodgson becomes are manager, which he will, we should at least give him a reasonable chance
 
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Can't be arsed even reading this thread but, given the thread title, I can imagine the bollocks spouted. For fucks sake, if Hodgson becomes are manager, which he will, we should at least give him a reasonable chance
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Which is what some of us are saying. Not all though, which is scary. On ST & a couple of other places there's people saying he will, & should be sacked before Christmas.

If you want to be the next Newcastle, step forward please!
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40731.msg1126876#msg1126876 date=1277589517]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40731.msg1126875#msg1126875 date=1277589396]
Other clubs appoint managers quickly as well. They have to... we can't just remain rudderless.

For all the talk of wanting us to take our time, you fail to give any concrete reasons for doing so other than random notions about not settling for second best.

At the end of the day, the list of candidates we have before us in 6 months or a year from now will be more or less the same as it is now. It's generally more or less the same bunch of guys moving from job to job and they're all pretty well known. If we intend on waiting, we're essentially gambling on a) Mourinho being available and wanting to come to us or b) the emergance of a really exciting young manager who will want to come to us.

It doesn't make sense and it just seems as though you're trying to construct an argument for appointing Dalglish any way you can.
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This. Totally this
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Phooey. I could just as easily turn that back at you two and say you're trying to cobble together any old reason not to fetch Kenny in.

What really "doesn't make any sense" is that stuff about the same candidates in six months time. First of all, six months is an arbitrary limit which keni's cooked up to try and give his argument some respectability. Secondly, neither you nor I nor anyone else knows who'll be available further down the line. Keni almost admits as much himself when putting in that bit about "generally more or less", which is vague to the point of being meaningless. When he caught himself writing that, he should have known he was on a loser with this.

Other clubs aren't LFC. Most other clubs don't have either our level of expectation or the amount of value which the club still embodies. Those few that do have them spend a long time preparing their managerial succession, in a way that we haven't been able to do this time because of the uncertainty right to the end about whether and when Rafa was going to leave. They don't panic and settle for what's there at the time. Neither should we.
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The point is teams hire proper managers and get on with things, and the notion that new, exciting managers will be around and available in 12 months time is nonsense. It will be the same crowd, because football doesn't move that quickly.

By all means make his case for Dalglish's managerial talents - but the idea that we should just wait around with Dalglish at the helm until we can find someone better is bizarre. You talk like it's common practice, like other big clubs do it all the time, like it's normal behaviour from a football club. It isn't.

It really weakens your argument, IMO.
 
It would if that had been what I was talking about, but it never was. "The point is teams" do what's best for them. Also-rans pick from what's around at the time. Teams with higher ambitions don't. They give themselves the time and space to comb the field properly - not "wait around", as you bizarrely put it - for someone they really want, whether "new and exciting" or otherwise.
 
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It would if that had been what I was talking about, but it never was. "The point is teams" do what's best for them. Also-rans pick from what's around at the time. Teams with higher ambitions don't. They give themselves the time and space to comb the field properly - not "wait around", as you bizarrely put it - for someone they really want, whether "new and exciting" or otherwise.


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How long does it take to "comb the field properly"?

Which other clubs spend a year appointing a new manager?
 
Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40731.msg1126987#msg1126987 date=1277635785]
Shit post. Poor Rafa, he wasn't allowed to spend £475727382 billion to buy everyone he wanted so he never stood a chance. Bless.
Maybe if he actually coached his team and applied some logic, such as playing players in the position they *actually* played in or being a bit unpredictable with subs etc, then maybe he would still have a job.
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Can you back up that spend?

Seems a little excessive to me.
 
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Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127033#msg1127033 date=1277640621]
Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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Ahahahahahaha
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127033#msg1127033 date=1277640621]
Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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Ahahahahahaha
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Do you think clubs sack managers without any consideration for which managers are available? Many managers do a decent job and *still* get fired because a better manager is willing to join them.

Discussions more than likely would of took place at a board room level. If you think that that idea is laughable, then you're a fucking bellend.
 
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Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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Ahahahahahaha
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Do you think clubs sack managers without any consideration for which managers are available? Many managers do a decent job and *still* get fired because a better manager is willing to join them.


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I think it was sarcasm regards the fact that Benitez (the saviour) was sacked with the board having Uncle Roy in mind as his replacement, I mean, God forbid we should do such a thing, given the gulf in class between them and Rafa's brilliant Premiership record.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127033#msg1127033 date=1277640621]
Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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I'm not "refusing to acknowledge" the fact that managers switch at short notice. On the contrary, I said as much myself earlier on. What I also said, and what I stand by, is that that's not how it happens at the biggest clubs. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

The comparison with Pellegrini is more apposite than you know. Even his record wasn't enough to save him when Perez took over again. That kind of upheaval is exactly what we risk now if we make a permanent appointment before the ownership question is resolved.

Rafa fought to stay right up until the last minute. Had he not accepted the compromise deal offered to him he would have stayed, because we couldn't afford a sacking. It wasn't until that was settled that we could begin in earnest to look for a new manager, not to mention the fact that there's most of the summer still to go.

And no, it isn't "pure conjecture" that United will plan the succession to Ferguson extremely carefully and over a long period, because that's what big clubs do. Second-rank clubs are the ones that follow the herd and take what's available. I'll be less surprised than you if they appoint from their backroom staff, given Ferguson's admiration of Shanks and LFC's methods - our past methods, at any rate..
 
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Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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Ahahahahahaha
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Do you think clubs sack managers without any consideration for which managers are available? Many managers do a decent job and *still* get fired because a better manager is willing to join them.


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I think it was sarcasm regards the fact that Benitez (the saviour) was sacked with the board having Uncle Roy in mind as his replacement, I mean, God forbid we should do such a thing, given the gulf in class between them and Rafa's brilliant Premiership record.
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I was amused by the thought we would plan to spend £6m to buy out the previous Managers contract during a club sale, wait for the WC to finish as no-one is doing business during it; and then headhunt someone with an inferior record. It seems implausible

I could have expressed it better previously.
 
I'm just surprised so many people are willing to accept this appointment and get behind it. I know we're having financial problems, and players are leaving, but do we have to drop our standards that much? I mean, once this ownership issue is resolved, the debt issue will be done surely....and we'll be back on track? So why settle for such a poor mid table managerial appointment?

I respect the maturity of the majority of the posters here in getting behind the decision, but aren't we settling for the crumbs?
 
Well, if Hodgson is appointed I'll give him time too, but the answer to your question is Yes. We're accepting Mr.Hopefully Goodenough rather than holding out for Mr.Really Want. Some folk clearly find it harder to face up to that than others do.
 
Roy is not in the class of Rijkaard or Mourinho but we can't afford either. There is really no decent coaches available at the moment so Roy it is. I would rather have King Kenny but will support whoever is appointed.

I support Liverpool first and foremost. The manager is not my personal choice so while he is here, he gets my support!
 
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Roy is not in the class of Rijkaard or Mourinho but we can't afford either. There is really no decent coaches available at the moment so Roy it is. I would rather have King Kenny but will support whoever is appointed.

I support Liverpool first and foremost. The manager is not my personal choice so while he is here, he gets my support!
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No we can't afford the likes of Mourniho or Rijkaard... but Hodgson is an inferior coach to the one he's supposedly replacing, so the question is... why, if the club is for sale, are we replacing a manager with an inferior one?

Benites made many, many fuck ups, but desp[ite those fuck ups, we all know that the team needed money spent on it. The minute the board refused to sanction money for him to spend or guarantee money from any transfers then his position became untenable.

Now you can argue that Benitez shouldn't be trusted with large amounts of money to revatilise the team... and that has certain merit... but if it has merit then the appointment of Roy Hidgson to fill that void is at best fucking questionable.

As I said right at the start... apointing Hodgson means only one thing... we are fucking skint, the club will not be sold anytime soon and there is a distinct possibility that we'll end up dreaming of finishing as high as 7th for a few years.

.. and it won't be Hodgson's fault... or Benitez for that matter.
 
You know there is a chance that hodgson will do better with what we have and might be able to make more of a smaller budget.

Benitez couldn't get this squad playing could he? hence we finished 7th. maybe Hodgson can?

Otherwise it would suggest that with a team full of internationals Benitez did well to get us to 7th, which is obviously not true.
 
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Would anyone take Murphy back if he was cheap/free?
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Yes. He'd be an improvement on Lucas, he'd be chuffed to monkeys to be back and he wouldn't need time to settle in.

I might have given a different answer if we had money though - and, speaking of money, Al Fayed will try and absolutely screw us into the ground on price if Roy comes to us and tries to bring some of his players with him. In other words, unless Zidanny's contract is about to run out I don't think for a minute he'd come cheap, let alone free.
 
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Phooey. I could just as easily turn that back at you two and say you're trying to cobble together any old reason not to fetch Kenny in.

What really "doesn't make any sense" is that stuff about the same candidates in six months time. First of all, six months is an arbitrary limit which keni's cooked up to try and give his argument some respectability. Secondly, neither you nor I nor anyone else knows who'll be available further down the line. Keni almost admits as much himself when putting in that bit about "generally more or less", which is vague to the point of being meaningless. When he caught himself writing that, he should have known he was on a loser with this.

Other clubs aren't LFC. Most other clubs don't have either our level of expectation or the amount of value which the club still embodies. Those few that do have them spend a long time preparing their managerial succession, in a way that we haven't been able to do this time because of the uncertainty right to the end about whether and when Rafa was going to leave. They don't panic and settle for what's there at the time. Neither should we.
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What a load of fucking rubbish.

I picked an arbitrary amount of time because it doesn't matter. As I said, it's generally the same guys going from job to job and given that we, the fans, know pretty much every name out there, you can bet those in the business do and then some. As said in my last post, by waiting we'd essentially be gambling on some big name becoming available or a young talented manager crying out for a big break. Either way, there is nothing to stop us binning Woy at that point in time, who is essentially the interim appointment you so crave (he just doesn't happen to be Kenny).

How long did Barca spend on getting their appointment just right when Rijkaard left? 3 years? 2 years? What? And Inter? And Real? And... the list goes on.

But yeah, I guess they're not businesses of our size or clubs that carry the same level of expectations or whatever other bollocks you're spouting.

Fucking hell.
 
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