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The Hodgson Out Thread

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126175#msg1126175 date=1277463072]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
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It was. You got the ball, passed it to a team mate, kept it and scored more goals than the opposition. It's a simple game.
 
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[quote author=acejmk link=topic=40731.msg1126165#msg1126165 date=1277462503]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40731.msg1126162#msg1126162 date=1277462437]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126158#msg1126158 date=1277462327]
The European Champions just appointed a mid table manager.

So did AC Milan and Juve.
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Spurs appointed a manager who would have got relegated with Porrtsmouth.

So did Fulham funny enough, although you wouldn't think that when they were in a European final this year.
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This is very true.
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I know lads, but is this where it's at - we're consoling ourselves by comparing to teams that make Europa league finals, and Spurs and *ortsmouth?. Enough, i've said my piece. No offence meant, I just think this is going to get ugly very quickly.
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We'd love to be in the champions league this year and provided they get through the qualifiers they will be! If Roy can do that for us we'll all be chuffed!

Look, you obviously have your opinions but stating that he won't get us into the CL, and he won't attract new talent when he hasnt even signed the contract is outrages. Yes he's not the manager we all hoped for....but it was in hoping for a big name manager that we all lost sight of the fact that we were never going to get one in the first place. Now some of us can moan and bitch about Hodgson (as i have done when i thought Kenny was in with a shot, but obviously for nostalgic reason) or some of us can actually take the positives out of this, throw our weight behind him and see what happens! Theres been too much doom and gloom around the club for the last couple of season, ill be fucked if im going to start the new season with the same attitude, so thats why im not having one word of your original post.....because your just another negative fan whos going to make it even harder for hodgson by not giving him a chance! And for what reason? Because you dont think he's good enough for this club.

Well pull up a seat and have a drink at the boohoo bar!
 
I can see why some people are worried but no one other than the players has an idea how Hodgson is thought of in the changing room so its hard to speculate on who stays. Its looks like Mascherano is going anyway which won't be the end of the world if we get to spend the £25m from his sale.

I do think a change will freshen up the place. Disheartened fringe players will be giving their all. The senior players will feel they have something to prove again.

I don't think its all doom and gloom just yet.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126176#msg1126176 date=1277463196]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126175#msg1126175 date=1277463072]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
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It was. You got the ball, passed it to a team mate, kept it and scored more goals than the opposition. It's a simple game.
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Multi-million dollar corporations now, with superstar players, treated like assets. Anyway, off to bed now...just got off a flight and got the fright of my life is see who our new manager will be.
 
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40731.msg1126177#msg1126177 date=1277463333]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126167#msg1126167 date=1277462625]
[quote author=acejmk link=topic=40731.msg1126165#msg1126165 date=1277462503]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40731.msg1126162#msg1126162 date=1277462437]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126158#msg1126158 date=1277462327]
The European Champions just appointed a mid table manager.

So did AC Milan and Juve.
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Spurs appointed a manager who would have got relegated with Porrtsmouth.

So did Fulham funny enough, although you wouldn't think that when they were in a European final this year.
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This is very true.
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I know lads, but is this where it's at - we're consoling ourselves by comparing to teams that make Europa league finals, and Spurs and *ortsmouth?. Enough, i've said my piece. No offence meant, I just think this is going to get ugly very quickly.
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We'd love to be in the champions league this year and provided they get through the qualifiers they will be! If Roy can do that for us we'll all be chuffed!

Look, you obviously have your opinions but stating that he won't get us into the CL, and he won't attract new talent when he hasnt even signed the contract is outrages. Yes he's not the manager we all hoped for....but it was in hoping for a big name manager that we all lost sight of the fact that we were never going to get one in the first place. Now some of us can moan and bitch about Hodgson (as i have done when i thought Kenny was in with a shot, but obviously for nostalgic reason) or some of us can actually take the positives out of this, throw our weight behind him and see what happens! Theres been too much doom and gloom around the club for the last couple of season, ill be fucked if im going to start the new season with the same attitude, so thats why im not having one word of your original post.....because your just another negative fan whos going to make it even harder for hodgson by not giving him a chance! And for what reason? Because you dont think he's good enough for this club.

Well pull up a seat and have a drink at the boohoo bar!


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Mate, you'd had a chance to accept the news. Some of us thought this was just paper talk. I supported Rafa to the end, and certainly not a negative fan. I was a IRWT merchant, if anything. But yes, he's not good enough for us. And that's not going away. And I won't be getting behind another BAD Gillette and Hicks decision. I'll be going into this season disinterested, like many of our players I suspect. I'll hope I am wrong, but won't be surprised if mid table mediocrity shines through.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126182#msg1126182 date=1277463628]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40731.msg1126177#msg1126177 date=1277463333]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126167#msg1126167 date=1277462625]
[quote author=acejmk link=topic=40731.msg1126165#msg1126165 date=1277462503]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40731.msg1126162#msg1126162 date=1277462437]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40731.msg1126158#msg1126158 date=1277462327]
The European Champions just appointed a mid table manager.

So did AC Milan and Juve.
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Spurs appointed a manager who would have got relegated with Porrtsmouth.

So did Fulham funny enough, although you wouldn't think that when they were in a European final this year.
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This is very true.
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I know lads, but is this where it's at - we're consoling ourselves by comparing to teams that make Europa league finals, and Spurs and *ortsmouth?. Enough, i've said my piece. No offence meant, I just think this is going to get ugly very quickly.
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We'd love to be in the champions league this year and provided they get through the qualifiers they will be! If Roy can do that for us we'll all be chuffed!

Look, you obviously have your opinions but stating that he won't get us into the CL, and he won't attract new talent when he hasnt even signed the contract is outrages. Yes he's not the manager we all hoped for....but it was in hoping for a big name manager that we all lost sight of the fact that we were never going to get one in the first place. Now some of us can moan and bitch about Hodgson (as i have done when i thought Kenny was in with a shot, but obviously for nostalgic reason) or some of us can actually take the positives out of this, throw our weight behind him and see what happens! Theres been too much doom and gloom around the club for the last couple of season, ill be fucked if im going to start the new season with the same attitude, so thats why im not having one word of your original post.....because your just another negative fan whos going to make it even harder for hodgson by not giving him a chance! And for what reason? Because you dont think he's good enough for this club.

Well pull up a seat and have a drink at the boohoo bar!


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Mate, you'd had a chance to accept the news. Some of us thought this was just paper talk. I supported Rafa to the end, and certainly not a negative fan. I was a IRWT merchant, if anything. But yes, he's not good enough for us. And that's not going away. And I won't be getting behind another BAD Gillette and Hicks decision. I'll be going into this season disinterested, like many of our players I suspect. I'll hope I am wrong, but won't be surprised if mid table mediocrity shines through.
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Ok, as i said you have your opinions, and i'll respect them. Certainly wont be agreeing with them but nonetheless regardless of the shape the club is in whether or not hodgson is a 'bad decision' only time will tell! For now though, he's the right decision!
 
Bloody hell. Shouting for a manager to go before he is even appointed is going a bit far isn't it?

I know the Woy is not what many would have wanted, but at least give the guy a chance. He has managed some decent sides at a decent level. He may not be the kind of manager you'd expect for a team challenging for the title but we are not one of those teams are we? Not right now anyway.

I don't buy the idea that he won't be able to keep the players happy. If they really want to play for Liverpool they will stay anyway. The only time a manager really influences that is if they are some kind of tyrant, and I can't imagine Woy is, can you?
Attracting players - well, we don't have the money for top players anyway so surely a manager who can spend what he has effectively is what is needed. And if he can look at the top end of the market then, again, the fact that they are signing for Liverpool should really be the overriding factor.

It seems that some reaction to Hodgson possibly being the manager is based both upon how average he is and how poor we were before Benitez showed up - both are tragically exagerrated
 
well, what i got out of this thread was that the majority of posters and people more astute than I seem to be behind this appointment. fingers crossed it works out. could have been worse, could have been sven
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126192#msg1126192 date=1277465124]
well, what i got out of this thread was that the majority of posters and people more astute than I seem to be behind this appointment.
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That's incorrect. Most are pretty meh but are prepared to let him at least walk through the door at Anfield before slagging him off.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126192#msg1126192 date=1277465124]
well, what i got out of this thread was that the majority of posters and people more astute than I seem to be behind this appointment. fingers crossed it works out. could have been worse, could have been sven
[/quote]If it was Sven I would have started this thread.
 
not really the manager i wanted.. his away record last season was so bad. How can a manager have his team perform so poorly on the road? surely there is something in that..

however.. ill support him all the way.

If it is Hodgson.. id almost like Torres, Mascherano, Babel, Gerrard to move on... i think they will be bitter and they will always beleive they deserve better.. with that in mind Hodgson would be much better off having players that respect him and want to play for the club.. even if we arnt in the Champs league..

tough few years ahead?
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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and then appointed that ego tripping in your face charismatic dripping .........


You don't need to be seen walking the walk and talking the talk, or foreign, to be a good manager (or young either) if it comes to it , you need to understand the game and the people who play it

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regards
 
I'm not over the moon about Hogson being the choice but this thread is well over the top. Once he, or whoever is in, just get behind then. Don't sit there waiting for them to cock up.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40731.msg1126139#msg1126139 date=1277461688]
We don't have the money for any inspiring signings so it doesn't matter who the manager is.
Torres, Gerrard and Mascherano will probably leave anyway so it doesn't matter who the new manager is.

So what we need is a tactically sound manager who can bring the best out of players (see-Duff, Zamora, Dempsey etc) and spot a good player at a fair price (see-Hangaland, Dempsey, Schwarzer)
I think your expectations of the club need to be lowered, not your expectation of the new manager.
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Couldn't disagree more really.

We are still one of the biggest clubs and brands in the world of football and although we may have lost the battle the war is still ours to win.

New owners coming in with their new manager and new apporach - and a whole heap of money - would reignite belief in and around the club and we'd be right upthere once again where we belong.

Personally I can't see Hodgson beeing the right man at all. We are NOT Fulham-likel.
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I don't really understand this attitude.

Rafa has a very rigid approach to management. He has a very specific idea of how he would like to play football, and tries his best to impart that on the players, irrespective of how the players like to play, their strengths and weaknesses, or their compatability with his approach.

Some managers are a little more flexible. Hodgson did the best he could with what he had available at Fulham. For them, the best was to make them difficult to beat, and slowly add players who can hurt the opposition going forward. I'd be amazed if he turned up at Liverpool, and decided that a carbon copy of the way Fulham play is necessary here. He's inheriting a very talented bunch of players, and as such, is likely to decide that he can set is sights a little higher. After all, he's a very experienced manager, and a dedicated student of the game.

I'm not enamoured with ihs appointment (if and when it's confirmed) but let's not go making silly assumptions just, shall we?
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40731.msg1126203#msg1126203 date=1277466681]
Without a game even been played under our new manager yet, i feel as if i'm being pushed into the RCDNWC.
[/quote]I'm with you too

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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
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And we ourselves were only mid-table in the second tier of English football. Sheiky's point is ridiculous.
 
[quote author=cochyn link=topic=40731.msg1126224#msg1126224 date=1277469405]
at least we can keep the RCDNW acronym going with roy

otherwise this is an ubercunt of a thread!
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It'll be WCDNW
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40731.msg1126228#msg1126228 date=1277469565]
[quote author=cochyn link=topic=40731.msg1126224#msg1126224 date=1277469405]
at least we can keep the RCDNW acronym going with roy

otherwise this is an ubercunt of a thread!
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It'll be WCDNW
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40731.msg1126228#msg1126228 date=1277469565]
[quote author=cochyn link=topic=40731.msg1126224#msg1126224 date=1277469405]
at least we can keep the RCDNW acronym going with roy

otherwise this is an ubercunt of a thread!
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It'll be WCDNW
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its a suitable alternative
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1126221#msg1126221 date=1277469164]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1126175#msg1126175 date=1277463072]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
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And we ourselves were only mid-table in the second tier of English football. Sheiky's point is ridiculous.
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I don't see it as ridiculous, I think the point he is making JJ is very valid.
It does not matter how well known or how good, or bad, peoples perceptions of a manager are , until they are given a chance to show what they can do you just don't know. Who would have thought that the appointment of Shanks at that time would have laid the foundation stones for a dynasty?
I am sure not all the fans were particularly happy when he arrived either.

regards
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1126221#msg1126221 date=1277469164]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40731.msg1126171#msg1126171 date=1277462900]
I'm soooo glad we plucked Shanks from the reigning Champions all those years ago. Imagine if we'd lowered our standards and opted for..say....oh I don't know...Huddersfield's manager.
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yeah you know 50 years ago, the game was quite similar.
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And we ourselves were only mid-table in the second tier of English football. Sheiky's point is ridiculous.
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I don't see it as ridiculous, I think the point he is making JJ is very valid.
It does not matter how well known or how good, or bad, peoples perceptions of a manager are , until they are given a chance to show what they can do you just don't know. Who would have thought that the appointment of Shanks at that time would have laid the foundation stones for a dynasty?
I am sure not all the fans were particularly happy when he arrived either.

regards
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I would agree, if Roy Hodgson is an up and coming manager who has not managed to win many titles because he did not catch the right break. I think he has had plenty of chances and he has proved to be a steady-eddie type of manager. We may get a better bargain than that, if we looked hard enough. I feel that is exactly Kenny's point of view when he threw his hat in the ring. We don't need a big name manager. We need someone who has the potential to make us a force again. Otherwise it is time wasted. I don't believe in consolidating what is already a shitty position. We need change and definite improvement. Is Roy Hodgson capable of that? I have my doubts.
 
This goes against netiquette, & the poster isnt around to ask, but I doubt he'll mind. This is from another forum & sums it up completely for me:

A few people who I respect immensely on this forum have disgraced themselves with their vitriol toward Hodgson. I think he's unfairly being seen as the owners man (where Rafa wasn't, they inherited him) rather than just as someone who's been offered a job to manage the best club in the world, seriously now who would turn that down? Some need to differentiate between the owners sacking Rafa and bringing in Hodgson and focus their anger accordingly on where it should be aimed at.

If Roy takes over, back him and let him get on with it. It's not his fault he did a great job at Fulham who had the third smallest combined wage and transfer budget in the league last season. We struggled in all competitions last season, but in the league especially, I think Rafa would’ve improved this had he been around – let’s face it, it would be very hard not to, despite the retroactive spin that this was our true position now – but I think Roy will improve this also. He’s not a mug, his CV proves that. And as I keep saying, what if he does a good job? The only comparative instance of him managing a big club is at Inter Milan, during the ill-fated Paul Ince era, seriously, look it up, he was up against Lippi’s Juventus and A.C.Milan.

Most of the top, big name manager's are employed, because they're good, sometimes, like Valencia did with Rafa, Barcelona did with Pep Guardiola and Frank Rijkaard (both who had achieved fuck all, in Pep's case never managed at all) and we did with Shankly in the late fifties, you bring someone in based on their accomplishments achieved at a different echelon in the game, or on their potential. Like it or not, Roy's earned the right to be in the frame to be the next Liverpool manager based on what he did at Fulham.

Any new Liverpool manager deserves our support until he proves he can’t do the job. If we don’t behave ourselves and start calling for a new manager's sacking after six months we’ll have become a whopperish support just like the toon army, and then we really will have lost something.
 
Well, as someone on the other side of the argument I'm a fair bit less impressed than you by that, in a 6CM context anyway.

Who on here has been vitriolic towards Hodgson? That accusation's been floated but it has little basis in reality. What we've *dared* to do - BEFORE THE APPOINTMENT HAS BEEN FINALISED - is voice our doubts about it. There's been at least as much vitriol aimed at us, from the holier-than-thou posturing of "people who I respect immensely on this forum" but who unfortunately have rushed in to polarise this debate misleadingly and unnecessarily.

It isn't true that "most of the top big-name managers...are employed based on their accomplishments achieved at a different echelon in the game". Some are, but some aren't, and Liverpool managers certainly haven't been over the years. But that's a side issue anyway. In a situation like ours, where the club's ownership is going to change within the foreseeable future, an interim appointment makes by far the best sense, and we have a ready-made candidate for it - one whom the club itself chose as its main adviser on the appointment in the first place.
 
That's half the problem IMO.

25% of our fans wanted Kenny in, so dislike this appointment.
50% wanted Rafa to stay so dislike the appointment.
15% wanted Roy, understand why he's appointed or are prepared to see what happens.
10% will do whatever SoS tell them too cos they cant think for themselves.

Hodgson wouldnt have been my choice, but I refuse to look at the negatives before he's had a chance to do a fucking thing.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1126290#msg1126290 date=1277476652]
Well, as someone on the other side of the argument I'm a fair bit less impressed than you by that, in a 6CM context anyway.

Who on here has been vitriolic towards Hodgson? That accusation's been floated but it has little basis in reality. What we've *dared* to do - BEFORE THE APPOINTMENT HAS BEEN FINALISED - is voice our doubts about it. There's been at least as much vitriol aimed at us, from the holier-than-thou posturing of "people who I respect immensely on this forum" but who unfortunately have rushed in to polarise this debate misleadingly and unnecessarily.

It isn't true that "most of the top big-name managers...are employed based on their accomplishments achieved at a different echelon in the game". Some are, but some aren't, and Liverpool managers certainly haven't been over the years. But that's a side issue anyway. In a situation like ours, where the club's ownership is going to change within the foreseeable future, an interim appointment makes by far the best sense, and we have a ready-made candidate for it - one whom the club itself chose as its main adviser on the appointment in the first place.
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The fact the ownership is going to change is neither here nor there.

New owners will judge Hodgson by their own standards and will remove him if he doesn't meet them. I doubt he'll be given a huge contract and whoever the new owners are, they will be able to afford to remove him if they so choose.

Dalglish isn't going to be put in charge and hasn't been in the running for a good while now.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40731.msg1126291#msg1126291 date=1277477115]
That's half the problem IMO.

25% of our fans wanted Kenny in, so dislike this appointment.
50% wanted Rafa to stay so dislike the appointment.
15% wanted Roy, understand why he's appointed or are prepared to see what happens.
10% will do whatever SoS tell them too cos they cant think for themselves.

Hodgson wouldnt have been my choice, but I refuse to look at the negatives before he's had a chance to do a fucking thing.
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The 10% SoS are part of the Rafa 50 %.

And you haven't included the 0.00000000001% who wanted Eck McLeish.
 
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