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The Hodgson Out Thread

[quote author=keniget link=topic=40731.msg1127250#msg1127250 date=1277659034]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1126967#msg1126967 date=1277633708]
Phooey. I could just as easily turn that back at you two and say you're trying to cobble together any old reason not to fetch Kenny in.

What really "doesn't make any sense" is that stuff about the same candidates in six months time. First of all, six months is an arbitrary limit which keni's cooked up to try and give his argument some respectability. Secondly, neither you nor I nor anyone else knows who'll be available further down the line. Keni almost admits as much himself when putting in that bit about "generally more or less", which is vague to the point of being meaningless. When he caught himself writing that, he should have known he was on a loser with this.

Other clubs aren't LFC. Most other clubs don't have either our level of expectation or the amount of value which the club still embodies. Those few that do have them spend a long time preparing their managerial succession, in a way that we haven't been able to do this time because of the uncertainty right to the end about whether and when Rafa was going to leave. They don't panic and settle for what's there at the time. Neither should we.
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What a load of fucking rubbish.

I picked an arbitrary amount of time because it doesn't matter. As I said, it's generally the same guys going from job to job and given that we, the fans, know pretty much every name out there, you can bet those in the business do and then some. As said in my last post, by waiting we'd essentially be gambling on some big name becoming available or a young talented manager crying out for a big break. Either way, there is nothing to stop us binning Woy at that point in time, who is essentially the interim appointment you so crave (he just doesn't happen to be Kenny).

How long did Barca spend on getting their appointment just right when Rijkaard left? 3 years? 2 years? What? And Inter? And Real? And... the list goes on.

But yeah, I guess they're not businesses of our size or clubs that carry the same level of expectations or whatever other bollocks you're spouting.

Fucking hell.
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You can parrot that BS about "it's generally the same guys going from job to job" all you like. It'll still be total crap when you've finished.

If there were a grain of sense in all that hooey about "gambling" and the rest, nobody would ever bother conducting proper executive searches.

Nothing to stop us binning Roy? Perhaps not if he and his representatives don't insist on any kind of financial guarantees in his contract. Trouble is they just might, given all the uncertainty surrounding the club at the moment.

Real were after Mourinho long before he joined them. Inter's representatives were reported in Italy as talking to Rafa's representatives long before Rafa and LFC parted company. Guardiola had a lot less management experience than Kenny when he was appointed, and questions are now being asked about him there after last season's CL exit.

To coin a phrase, fucking hell.
 
I'm firmly in the Kenny before Roy Hodgson camp. But whoever is appointed, i will support them.

I just don't get all this "you can't even debate Roy Hodgson's suitability as he is now allegedly our manager" bullshit. Because, we ARE discussing a subjective issue, and i think there has to be some room for another line of thought.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40731.msg1127261#msg1127261 date=1277660367]
hodgson for england!
clap! clap! - clap! clap! - clap!

hodgson for england!
clap! clap! - clap! clap! - clap!
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On this note, I thought it was interesting that H. Redknapp said he thought Capello should stay but a big rethink is needed on our style of play. I think he has one eye on the job himself but right now it's doesn't suit him as he'll want to take Spurs into the CL. Capello to take us to Euro 2012 and then walk afterwards would suit Harry.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127266#msg1127266 date=1277660614]
You can parrot that BS about "it's generally the same guys going from job to job" all you like. It'll still be total crap when you've finished.

If there were a grain of sense in all that hooey about "gambling" and the rest, nobody would ever bother conducting proper executive searches.

Nothing to stop us binning Roy? Perhaps not if he and his representatives don't insist on any kind of financial guarantees in his contract. Trouble is they just might, given all the uncertainty surrounding the club at the moment.

Real were after Mourinho long before he joined them. Inter's representatives were reported in Italy as talking to Rafa's representatives long before Rafa and LFC parted company. Guardiola had a lot less management experience than Kenny when he was appointed, and questions are now being asked about him there after last season's CL exit.

To coin a phrase, fucking hell.
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If this is you trying to use whatever experience you have of board rooms in the real world, it's not working out too well. It just reminds me of you arguing until you were blue in the face all summer long about how it was oh so possible that Tevez would join us when everyone in the world knew it was never going to happen.

It'll cost us relatively little to sack Roy and the top name our 'executive search' brings up to replace our interim appointment, in your grand scheme, will coincide with when we're bought out... at which point paying off Hodgson is unlikely to be of great concern.

With regards to the managers we've mentioned... if your "contacts in Italy" have let you in on the fact that Inter were in discussions with Rafa for ages (oh wait, that was Juventus wasn't it)... do you have any contacts in England to tell you Liverpool haven't been doing the same with Hodgson. You have no idea.

Either way, the point is that top clubs such as Barca have appointed coaches without your executive search (which you can't even define beyond "looking at all possibilities".. brilliant!) and if the end result is that we're questioning a semi-final exit from the CL after 2 league titles, a CL and a raft of other minor cup wins, I'll take it you quacking buffoon.
 
Keni, are you really so desperate that you have to pick up Brendan's leavings and try to use them? Other posters - Vlad for one - also said the Tevez rumour looked possible. Were they all "quacking buffoons" too?

It'll cost us relatively little to sack Roy, will it? That suggests you have inside knowledge of his contract terms. Either that or you haven't the foggiest what you're on about and are just trying to rescue your tottering argument. Oh my how I wonder which applies.

Inter's interest was reported some time before Rafa left - and if you think that was the first contact the two sides had had, it's time you gave up children's parties and applied to Billy Smart.

"The point is" that neither Inter nor Real did what you're claiming and that - as reported at the time by Graham Turner - Barca, not me, are having second thoughts about Guardiola. FWIW I'd actually agree that it will be ridiculous if they bin him. Nearly as ridiculous as your attempts to argue and insult your way out of a corner into which you've backed yourself by your habitual inability to understand how anybody could dare to disagree with you.
 
Apologies, I have gone over the top.

For the record, I'm not at all enamored by the prospect of Hodgson and although I don't feel at all enthused about the Dalglish idea either, it's this whole 'executive search' argument that I found baffling and irritating in equal measure.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127328#msg1127328 date=1277667839]
Keni, are you really so desperate that you have to pick up Brendan's leavings and try to use them? Other posters - Vlad for one - also said the Tevez rumour looked possible. Were they all "quacking buffoons" too?

It'll cost us relatively little to sack Roy, will it? That suggests you have inside knowledge of his contract terms. Either that or you haven't the foggiest what you're on about and are just trying to rescue your tottering argument. Oh my how I wonder which applies.

Inter's interest was reported some time before Rafa left - and if you think that was the first contact the two sides had had, it's time you gave up children's parties and applied to Billy Smart.

"The point is" that neither Inter nor Real did what you're claiming and that - as reported at the time by Graham Turner - Barca, not me, are having second thoughts about Guardiola. FWIW I'd actually agree that it will be ridiculous if they bin him. Nearly as ridiculous as your attempts to argue and insult your way out of a corner into which you've backed yourself by your habitual inability to understand how anybody could dare to disagree with you.
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Relatively speaking JJ, it will cost us little to sack Hodsgon and you know this.

I've not backed myself into any corner and the only reason I resorted to insults is because you're infuriating.
 
"Relatively speaking" are weasel words and you know this. As for "infuriating", it's hard to think of a better word for the way your high-handedness comes across in too many of your posts and has done for a very long time.

Perhaps we can agree that we'd better leave it there.
 
You're like a dog with a bone, JJ.
Keniget and Squiggles are talking sense here and I think you are the one who have backed yourself into a corner with all your Kenny talk. It now looks 100% certain Kenny will not be back as manager of this club so you had better get used to it and get on board here. Continually arguing the most minuscule detail is ridiculous and beneath you. Let it go.
 
We both know what's meant by "relatively speaking" in this particular case, so I hardly think so. If when Hodgson goes we end up giving him some ridiculous compensation package, I'll be quite happy to say I was wrong (I've got no problems doing that).

Either way, you're right. It's best left with that.
 
Fair enough.

Stu, having suggested we leave it there, I'm not going to go back on that. I'm happy to leave it to others to judge whether that accusation of yours is a fair one given this debate as a whole, about which kingjulian's post above says it all IMHO.
 
Apparently, Roy is on a rolling contract with Fulham, and compensation is next to nothing. If he comes on the same with us, if new owners come in next year then it won't be too hard to get rid of Roy should we need to (yeah, clutching at straws etc.)
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=40731.msg1127212#msg1127212 date=1277656841]
Would anyone take Murphy back if he was cheap/free?
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Yes simply for his free kicks and corners.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40731.msg1127352#msg1127352 date=1277669176]
Gentlemen. Well played, a good debate with decent ammo on both sides. Won't tell you who I agree with though. 😉
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Boo.
 
[quote author=Yoshi_Benayoun link=topic=40731.msg1127446#msg1127446 date=1277684679]
Yes simply for his free kicks and corners.
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And penalties too! I recall being sat among the horrible Mancs when Danny scored the penalty that won us a dire match at Old Trafford.

However, the problem with Danny as I saw it, was that he tended to dwell on the ball and slow our attacks down. I'm not sure I would want to see him back.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40731.msg1127477#msg1127477 date=1277706969]
[quote author=Yoshi_Benayoun link=topic=40731.msg1127446#msg1127446 date=1277684679]
Yes simply for his free kicks and corners.
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And penalties too! I recall being sat among the horrible Mancs when Danny scored the penalty that won us a dire match at Old Trafford.

However, the problem with Danny as I saw it, was that he tended to dwell on the ball and slow our attacks down. I'm not sure I would want to see him back.
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I wouldn't mind him here as a squaddie.
 
I was amused by the thought we would plan to spend £6m to buy out the previous Managers contract during a club sale, wait for the WC to finish as no-one is doing business during it; and then headhunt someone with an inferior record. It seems implausible

And yet that is exactly what has happened. Well done everyone responsible!
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40731.msg1126302#msg1126302 date=1277479673]

localny = fuckin nobhead


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That's a bit harsh. I think it's a good thread and has generated plenty of debate.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40731.msg1126578#msg1126578 date=1277541754]
If there's something strange
in your neighborhood
Who ya gonna call?
ROY - HODGSON!!!

If there's something weird
and it don't look good
Who ya gonna call?
ROY - HODGSON!!!

Yeah Yeah Yeah
ROY - HODGSON!!!
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This is almost the worst thing I have ever read
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40731.msg1127051#msg1127051 date=1277642936]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40731.msg1127047#msg1127047 date=1277642804]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40731.msg1127041#msg1127041 date=1277642064]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40731.msg1127038#msg1127038 date=1277641787]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40731.msg1127033#msg1127033 date=1277640621]
Question 1 - long enough to make a list of those the club would most like to appoint (currently employed or otherwise), research their availability, make a choice and, if necessary, obtain the chosen candidate's release from current employers. In our case this would be likely to take us beyond the point where new owners arrive.

Question 2 - those who have gone through the above process, as Real did with Mourinho, Chelsea did with Ancelotti (appointing Hiddink as caretaker in the interim) and United will when Ferguson gives notice.
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In response to your first question we've done all that already. In fact we probably had plans in place when we fired Benitez. It doesn't take as long as your implying. Manager's switch all the time in a short space of time. It doesn't take 12 months. Your refusal to acknowledge this is strange.

Whilst every manager in recent years has been a lame-duck at Madrid, citing Pellegrinni as a 'caretaker' manager isn't entirely accurate. They took the best performing manager in the league for the last two seasons. Not someone from their backroom staff who hasn't managed a football match in ten years

The Chelsea one is valid, to a point, but this happened mid-season where it's more difficult to conduct a managerial search and understandably more time is needed. We've had and got the months of summer.

The other hasn't happened yet and is pure conjecture. If United hire someone from their backroom staff to takeover for 12 months I'll be amazed.

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Ahahahahahaha
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Do you think clubs sack managers without any consideration for which managers are available? Many managers do a decent job and *still* get fired because a better manager is willing to join them.


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I think it was sarcasm regards the fact that Benitez (the saviour) was sacked with the board having Uncle Roy in mind as his replacement, I mean, God forbid we should do such a thing, given the gulf in class between them and Rafa's brilliant Premiership record.
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I was amused by the thought we would plan to spend £6m to buy out the previous Managers contract during a club sale, wait for the WC to finish as no-one is doing business during it; and then headhunt someone with an inferior record. It seems implausible

I could have expressed it better previously.
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Considering there are very few managers with a superior record, getting in anyone would have that effect, Jexy.

As for the issues raised with Keni and Jules, there are merits in both views clearly.

Getting in Hodgson does seem to suggest a safe pair of hands is being sought, when perhaps the issue is whether a safe pair necessarily the best pair. I dont think very many would agree that HOdgson would be the best choice.

If thats the case, then perhaps JJ's arguments about interim appointments is correct but the problem is that 'interim' is very relative..it doesnt take long to turn a team missing the title by 4 points in to a team scraping 7th place...it's too soon to tell what the appointment of Hodgson is supposed to achieve, and I think everyone is just speculating.
 
Since I started this thread, I just wanted to say, I've seen the interviews and I'd love this to go well. and you know what it could. I think the players might see this as well.

I do remember having a very favorable view of Hodgson a long time ago, being a multi lingual British manager who had some achievements abroad. It's just that i never saw him here with us.

I've no doubt we'll be ok in Europe, if we make it back.

I am hoping for a good start so that he buys himself some time. I wasn't mad about this appointment, but feck it, wouldn't it be great if it worked out. He came across as super nice. I hope he's able to handle the egos of the players because if not player power might run amok.

Best of luck Mr H
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=40731.msg1129554#msg1129554 date=1278011918]
Since I started this thread, I just wanted to say, I've seen the interviews and I'd love this to go well. and you know what it could. I think the players might see this as well.

I do remember having a very favorable view of Hodgson a long time ago, being a multi lingual British manager who had some achievements abroad. It's just that i never saw him here with us.

I've no doubt we'll be ok in Europe, if we make it back.

I am hoping for a good start so that he buys himself some time. I wasn't mad about this appointment, but feck it, wouldn't it be great if it worked out. He came across as super nice. I hope he's able to handle the egos of the players because if not player power might run amok.

Best of luck Mr H


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Believe it or not those are pretty much my sentiments though its borne out of hope rather than expectation. I didn't want him here, but he's here now and I hope he takes his opportunity, he's a good man, a football man and he deserves it..

Roll on the season, this off-season has been traumatic.
 
I physically can't watch a Roy Hodgson interview. It's simply the most embarrassing and cringeworthy experience, watching him gush over nothing through his rose tinted, delusional glasses.
 
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