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The Derby.. Post Match
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So you still maintain he had "Lukaku in his pocket", despite those two gifs above that resulted in one-on-ones? He was lucky he was bailed out because he was left for dead both times..
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He didn't lose one direct battle with Lukaku whether you like it or not.
He miscontrolled a ball sencond half that went to Lukaku he then won it half back. That was all.
Cheers.
He miscontrolled a ball sencond half that went to Lukaku he then won it half back. That was all.
Cheers.
He didn't lose one battle, apart from two instances where he's meant to be marking him but gets left for dead.
And I've got an agenda. Fuck me.
In both of those gifs, Skrtel is on the opposite side of defense and still gets closer to Lukaku than Agger does (from a closer starting position).
I'm really not trying to be a cunt, defensively we were a shambles yesterday, they were all at fault, but why does every post match thread that Agger's involved in become heavily about Agger?
He didn't have a good game, and if you're classing one on one duals as only the ones where Agger got close enough to him to get a challenge in (those are successful ones, the ones where he doesn't get close enough seemingly don't count), then surely this logic is flawed when there's two clear instances there where he's slack and it almost cost us.
I'm really not trying to be a cunt, defensively we were a shambles yesterday, they were all at fault, but why does every post match thread that Agger's involved in become heavily about Agger?
He didn't have a good game, and if you're classing one on one duals as only the ones where Agger got close enough to him to get a challenge in (those are successful ones, the ones where he doesn't get close enough seemingly don't count), then surely this logic is flawed when there's two clear instances there where he's slack and it almost cost us.
One teensy other thing about the game. This idiot copycat trend for taking corners on the edge of the arc. It's now gone to taking it slightly outside the arc. It's bad enough seeing us take shite corners, but taking ones they seem to think are deviously naughty ones that are just as shit as normal ones - come on linesmen, wake up or else corners will end up as free kicks about a yard in from the corner flag!
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Mark, you say Agger was partly to blame for their first goal. It is a ridicolous claim and you even keep on defending it, right?
That is why Agger debates drag on, right there.
That is why Agger debates drag on, right there.
No it's not Kris.
You are the reason Agger debates drag on
You are the reason Agger debates drag on
Tattoos on the knuckles. Shows commitment and keeps it short.
Kinda gives some an unfair advantage though, no?
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Ah the gifs Rurik put up to try and defend why Agger had a worse game than Skrtel (whom were directly involved in their first goal, duck for a shot completely leaving Mignolet wrong-footed and stranded and gave away an easy ball leading to great chance second half) and Johnson, who literally only had one or two successful of anythings.
First epsiode. When I watched the game it was hard to blame any of the defenders imo. Gerrard or Allen played a horrendous pass sideways that gave Everton a possibility to hit a ball first time in to the area behind Agger who where going forward, and so was Skrtel, making themselves available as we where in possession. I am going to accept it may be that Agger was going to fast forward. If he did, then fair play he had a blame in that chance, I still think it is difficult to blame defenders when midfielders gives away an easy, unexpected ball. Both of them were also completely out of place when Johnson gave away an easy ball second half. Also their fault? Not in my opinion.
Second episode, as Keni said, not much wrong there apart from perhaps his initial position. He looked tired late on and he should've perhaps been in a slightly better position. I am not even sure though as I can't remember where Flanagan was.
This aside, and this is my main point. A lot of poster wanted to dish Agger for Sakho up to the game. Saying that Agger was too weak and would get bossed around by Lukaku.
Fact is he WON every single duel with Lukaku where there where a physical aspect. Every single one. So much did he own him that Lukaku swapped side at half time, going in from the left instead of the right. No one, not ONE of his critics has mentioned this and I find it hard to believe that all of them watched the same game as Fabio, who said, that it was Skrtel who marked him first half, not Agger.
So whether he was out of position at one stage is relevant to that discussion at least, unless of course the posters who claimed that Agger is a poor and weak defender physically also is worse when it comes to positioning than Sakho.
Nothing would surprise me any more.
Until the tattoo wears off.
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Especially poor at their first goal, right? I mean keeping Lukaku completely at bay should only be one if his areas of concerns on that set piece, with the other to sprint five yards back, pushing Gerrard out of the way and then kick a ball out of the park, someone else fucked up.
If this is me embarrassing myself, then so be it, I don't even mind that.
What do you call it when Mark makes such claims though? Is that the way you cover yourself in grace from your perspective? Would actually explain a few other posters way of handling themselves on here from time to time.
I mean, Suarez' miss was just as big as Allen's etc.
PS Cheers for the nice words by the way with regards to talent.
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When the usual suspects on here go on their weekly Agger-bashing tour it is KHL to the rescue. One claim being more preposterous than the other.
It's a Sunday, mate. It's what happens on a Sunday - even a GOOD Sunday. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
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This has got to be one of the worst bits of bias towards any player (and poster, me) I have seen since Brendan was posting on here.
Well done, Mark.
No, not really. That's very poor actually.
I was referring more towards your posts in the motm thread regarding agger.
I'm not taking sides here but you do yourself no favours at times.
Agger deserves to be slated too ya know.
You grill Skrtel for the slightest things and build up Agger for the shittiest things.
You will probably end up turning on Sakho shortly too.
You slated the Sakho and Skrtel partnership for conceding two goals at Swansea the other day but when we concede three yesterday you try and make out that Agger was superb.
It should be baffling to everyone but no one is surprised.
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I actually thought we played a good game. Apart from 20 mins 2nd half and a few personal errors.
Very very unlucky not to get all three despite how it turned out, so I feel much more content than after the Arsenal game.
4th is very much within reach.
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I didn't voice any critic towards Skrtel in the match thread nor did I big up Agger. Only when someone said, we should've played Skrtel and Sakho I got involved, thinking OMG WTF ROFL.
I have learned my lessons, some of them at least, some players you do not criticize on here so I try not to.
Skrtel and Skaho for me are too alike. None of them can control the defense, maybe Sakho can in years to come but he is young and just arrived. Give him time. That's why. Nothing personal. Believe it if you like.
Oh, and Rodgers, for what it's worth actually picked the two CBs of my choice, so I am at least not any worse than him right?
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I thought Agger was superb against Lukaku. I watched the game with my eyes. As said he wasn't flawless in terms of positioning a few times (and this is pushing it even) but despite playing in a defense conceding three goals I thought Ming, Flanno and Agger was having good games.
Anyone who cares to watch the game again, it was a thrilling encounter after all, should try and focus on this part of the game as well and see how much Agger bossed him first half.
That you use the rest of the forum against me mate, "everyone but you" doesn't really bite anymore. I know there are posters who saw the same game as me but probably would not want to get involved in all this.
What can I say, they are smarter than me.
For an Everton side which has not lost at home, I was unimpressed. We lost because we are sh!te at defending set-pieces, full stop. Our set-piece delivery had to be far superior, and Howard was beaten by well-crafted goals.
Still think Lukaku is not all that-- he bustles and frightens ordinary players, I'll admit. In open play with acres of space, he has a poor first touch and failed to score despite the vast open spaces and opportunities he was afforded by our frightened defenders. No wonder Mourinho is unmoved by the hysteria around him.
Still think Lukaku is not all that-- he bustles and frightens ordinary players, I'll admit. In open play with acres of space, he has a poor first touch and failed to score despite the vast open spaces and opportunities he was afforded by our frightened defenders. No wonder Mourinho is unmoved by the hysteria around him.
When did we lose?
And you was unimpressed we didn't beat Everton at their ground in which they haven't loss a game? Say, what?
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