Supersub?

[Asbo]

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'89 Steven Gerrard 04.11.2010 3 - 1 Napoli Europe


Ryan Babel certainly is an impact player, should he be utilized more in this role?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?

 

[Asbo]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.

 

[LarryHagman]

Babel's existence makes me question the Universe.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42610.msg1212288#msg1212288 date=1288973168]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.
[/quote]

That's true. I just mean for him to truly be a supersub, I'd want him to be gaining us a few points when coming off the bench. He doesn't seem to be able to turn results around often enough.

By all means, we should put him on now when we're up by a few goals. But I don't think that's going to be happening too often.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

Good point. The winner against United (that he completely mis-hit into the ground!) and the equaliser against Lyon away with a long range screamer.
Not bad for three and a half fucking seasons.

 

[Asbo]

Lucas has 2 and an assist from last night, maybe he's our new supersub

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42610.msg1212288#msg1212288 date=1288973168]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.
[/quote]

POW!!!

 

[Fabio]

Tbf in that lyon game he scored what should have been the winning goal. Defensive lapse in the last minute cost us there

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42610.msg1212291#msg1212291 date=1288973312]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

Good point. The winner against United (that he completely mis-hit into the ground!) and the equaliser against Lyon away with a long range screamer.
Not bad for three and a half fucking seasons.
[/quote]

Penalty and goal against Arsenal in the CL.

 

[tombrown]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42610.msg1212288#msg1212288 date=1288973168]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.
[/quote]

Not true. Our GD was identical to Arsenal in 89 - it was actually on goals scored they won it (which meant we had a better defence)

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=tombrown link=topic=42610.msg1212326#msg1212326 date=1288979357]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42610.msg1212288#msg1212288 date=1288973168]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.
[/quote]

Not true. Our GD was identical to Arsenal in 89 - it was actually on goals scored they won it (which meant we had a better defence)
[/quote]

the point being if we had a better goal difference than arsenal we would have won the league.

 

[doctor_mac]

I've been saying this for a while now. Babel is poo when starting against fit fresh players. Give him 25 minutes at the tail end of th game and he's a threat to just about any team.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=tombrown link=topic=42610.msg1212326#msg1212326 date=1288979357]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42610.msg1212288#msg1212288 date=1288973168]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

All goals can make a difference, we lost the league on goal difference once.
[/quote]

Not true. Our GD was identical to Arsenal in 89 - it was actually on goals scored they won it (which meant we had a better defence)
[/quote]

So, had we scored one more goal all season, we'd have won the league on goal difference.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=42610.msg1212300#msg1212300 date=1288974663]
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42610.msg1212291#msg1212291 date=1288973312]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42610.msg1212285#msg1212285 date=1288973087]
Maybe, but if you actually look at the games he scored in off the bench, how many actually made a difference to the end result?
[/quote]

Good point. The winner against United (that he completely mis-hit into the ground!) and the equaliser against Lyon away with a long range screamer.
Not bad for three and a half fucking seasons.
[/quote]

Penalty and goal against Arsenal in the CL.

[/quote]

a) He didn't score the pen.
b) that goal didn't direct secure the win.

 

[spider-Neil]

Babel turned the game. End of story.

 

[Friend no. 2]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42610.msg1212398#msg1212398 date=1288995560]
Babel turned the game. End of story.
[/quote]

I don't really rate Babel, but I don't see how anybody could disagree with this.

 

[Roopy]

I'm trying to figure out what is worse.

His football skills or his rapping skills.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Ha, remember Almunia's positioning for Babel's goal? He basically just stood to one side and said pick your spot.