Sturridge

[Dreambeliever]

We have been linked with Daniel Sturridge regularly over the past month or so and are rumoured to be making a bid in January. Does anyone think that this is the right move. He is a player who will cost at least £12 million - £15 million who currently does not start for his club.

Are any of the forum for this signing, or is it another case of English premium once again inflating the price of a player yet to prove he is worth a double figures fee?

I'm shocked so many fans are against these signings.

18m for 2 arrogant cocky confident attacking players with trickery pace selfishness in front of goal and a burning desire to prove they can cut in a big team.

Fucking hell we spent more than that on an average CM, a rubbish Winger and twice that on a rubbish injury prone striker.

Imagine a team having to to deal with a front 3 of Suarez/Sturridge/Ince. Nightmare.

I would love both for that price.

 

[Ryan]

I'm shocked so many fans are against these signings.

18m for 2 arrogant cocky confident attacking players with trickery pace selfishness in front of goal and a burning desire to prove they can cut in a big team.

Fucking hell we spent more than that on an average CM, a rubbish Winger and twice that on a rubbish injury prone striker.

Imagine a team having to to deal with a front 3 of Suarez/Sturridge/Ince. Nightmare.

I would love both for that price.

18M for a whole lot of cliches then.

 

[juniormember]

Can I just say the 'selfishness' that myself and a few others talk about regarding Sturridge has nothing to do with what he does in front of the goal.
Much more to do with his wastefulness around the penalty area or byline, not to mention his apparent insistence on playing in the middle.
He tries to be a Suarez, but alas with a success-rate that's laughable compared to our main man.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Can I just say the 'selfishness' that myself and a few others talk about regarding Sturridge has nothing to do with what he does in front of the goal.
Much more to do with his wastefulness around the penalty area or byline, not to mention his apparent insistence on playing in the middle.
He tries to be a Suarez, but alas with a success-rate that's laughable compared to our main man.

He was pretty successful at Bolton (the only time he played that role)
And up until this season Suarez wasn't very prolific in front of goal.

 

[Dreambeliever]

18M for a whole lot of cliches then.

18m for depth in attack and whole lot of potential.

 

[Ryan]

18m for depth in attack and whole lot of potential.

QED.

 

[Dreambeliever]

QED.

You forgot the square!

 

[StevieM]

I'm not convinced Sturridge & Ince are the way to go, but to be fair i can't really name other options.

I'd prefer Walcott, but that isn't likely to happen in January.

 

[StevieM]

He was pretty successful at Bolton (the only time he played that role)
And up until this season Suarez wasn't very prolific in front of goal.

Suarez had been known to score the odd goal prior to last season - its not as if he's never scored goals before.

Now here's the thing - we're talking about paying 12m for a guy who has had a few little purple patches at Bolton and at the start of last season with Chelsea, where he scored a few goals - but there are a lot if questions about whether he can and will do it consistently at the top level. Added to that why in fucks name would we move Suarez out wide to accommodate him.

As for Ince, we're talking about a player who has never played top flight football - and I really don't know if he's good enough now or whether he ever will be good enough. I've never actually seen him play but something makes me think he's a costly mistake waiting to happen.

I'm not surprised you're excited... because you tend to get excited about a lot of things.... and usually the wrong things - so I'd be more interested in a list of decent available players that don't excite you, to be honest.

 

[Hansern]

Sturridge and Mertens

 

[RolandG]

18M for Sturridge and Ince is good business especially with the Ince fee offset by a 35% sell on clause. this further reduces the amount. The gaffer worked with Sturridge at the Chavs so I'm confident that he's seen enough to think that he could do a job for us.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

18M for Sturridge and Ince is good business especially with the Ince fee offset by a 35% sell on clause. this further reduces the amount. The gaffer worked with Sturridge at the Chavs so I'm confident that he's seen enough to think that he could do a job for us.

I've seen a few people mention that bit in bold, but I was wondering how this was possible given that Sturridge joined Chelsea from City just a few years back and Rodgers had stints at Watford and Reading before spending 2 seasons at Swansea.

Went to look it up and found this:
- Rodgers was at Chelsea from 2004 to 2008; he was appointed Watford manager in Nov 2008
- Sturridge joined Chelsea from City in July 2009
- Rodgers was appointed Reading manager in June 2009; he left in December the same year
- Rodgers was appointed Swansea manager in July 2010; between December 2009 and July 2010, he was considered for a post at City but there's no mention of him returning to Chelsea during those 6 to 7 months

So Rodgers never coached Sturridge at all.

I think somewhere along the line, some folks confused Sturridge with Sinclair (whom Rodgers did coach at Chelsea). Interestingly (maybe), while Sturridge and Sinclair were both on Chelsea's books in 2009/2010; I don't think they've ever played in the same team in a competitive game. Sinclair went out on loan to Wigan in the same 2009 summer window that Sturridge joined, and was then sold in the 2010 summer window to Swansea.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Suarez had been known to score the odd goal prior to last season - its not as if he's never scored goals before.

Now here's the thing - we're talking about paying 12m for a guy who has had a few little purple patches at Bolton and at the start of last season with Chelsea, where he scored a few goals - but there are a lot if questions about whether he can and will do it consistently at the top level. Added to that why in fucks name would we move Suarez out wide to accommodate him.

As for Ince, we're talking about a player who has never played top flight football - and I really don't know if he's good enough now or whether he ever will be good enough. I've never actually seen him play but something makes me think he's a costly mistake waiting to happen.

I'm not surprised you're excited... because you tend to get excited about a lot of things.... and usually the wrong things - so I'd be more interested in a list of decent available players that don't excite you, to be honest.

The facts are the only time he was given the chance in a poor side he delivered.
As for Ince he's very young so saying he hasn't done it in the top flight isn't even a point worth making.
If he had we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of getting him. He knows the club, has come on alot since he he got his chance to shine and for 6m I don't see the risk. If he can't cut it we will hardly lose alot on him. Take out the 35% of the sale and its hardly even a gamble.

 

[Mystic]

He was pretty successful at Bolton (the only time he played that role)
And up until this season Suarez wasn't very prolific in front of goal.

What are you talking about?! Suarez scored 45 goals for Ajax in his last full season there, and he's always scored goals for us.

 

[StevieM]

The facts are the only time he was given the chance in a poor side he delivered.
As for Ince he's very young so saying he hasn't done it in the top flight isn't even a point worth making.
If he had we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of getting him. He knows the club, has come on alot since he he got his chance to shine and for 6m I don't see the risk. If he can't cut it we will hardly lose alot on him. Take out the 35% of the sale and its hardly even a gamble.

The facts are Sturridge delivered for a short period of time at a club where he wasn't under much pressure to deliver . Will he deliver at a big club consistently ?

Will he succeed playing a wide forward roll or are you suggesting he should play through the centre and move Suarez out wide? Why would anyone in their right mind suggest doing that. It makes no sense at all.

We spent a similar amount on Borini - and I'm not uncomfortable with that - but what we need is not another player at a similar level, ie unproven but with potential, we have stacks of them.

We Need someone who will come in and positively impact immediately.

Ince, if he had any sense, would stay where he is for this season - where the fuck is Ince going to play if we sign Sturridge - instead of Sterling? Why? What's Ince offering that Sterling & Suso aren't - and is it worth paying $6m for.

Walcott I get - play on the right, interchange with Suarez - immediate impact - proven - high wage, but I'd rather fling 12m at him now than Sturridge.

If its not Walcott, it needs to fill the profile of a youngish player who is at ease out wide or through the centre, has pace, is intelligent and technically capable - scores a few and is creative - but more importantly is available & affordable - and that means under £20m.

Otherwise we're going round in circles and re-creating past mistakes by putting quantity before quality when we should spunk it all over that one sexy beast that will turn our approach play I to results.

I don't know who that player is - but I don't think he's Ince or Sturridge.

 

[Mystic]

Walcott would be fantastic. If I didn't love Xabi so much, i'd change my avi to be Theo.

 

[doctor_mac]

Walcott I get - play on the right, interchange with Suarez - immediate impact - proven - high wage, but I'd rather fling 12m at him now than Sturridge.



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But appaz his fall-out with Wenger has been precisely because he wants played through the middle. We obviously shouldn't give him that sort of guarantee.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I am happy to give Sturridge a chance, I am not sure what the other options are, but I tend to set some store by the adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
We can't fuck about with any agents or selling clubs gamesmanship and end up missing out on everyone like we did on the summer , we need people in the bag the moment the window opens.
I think people are being too dismissive of Sturridge, look who has been keeping him out of the Chelsea team.
He looked good in a Bolton team that was full of cloggers and played hoof ball, give him a fucking break.



regards

 

[gkmacca]

I actually have high-ish hopes for Borini, so if he and Suarez are in the team and we also buy Ince I'm not sure where Sturridge would fit. They're all players (less so Ince, but certainly the rest) who like to roam, so potentially the sheer fluidity and complexity of the forward movement would be fantastic, but it will need a heck of a lot of mutual understanding. And I still think we need another (more direct) player who will gamble on running into the box and be ruthless with his chances, so it all starts to look a bit crowded squad-wise.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

I actually have high-ish hopes for Borini, so if he and Suarez are in the team and we also buy Ince I'm not sure where Sturridge would fit. They're all players (less so Ince, but certainly the rest) who like to roam, so potentially the sheer fluidity and complexity of the forward movement would be fantastic, but it will need a heck of a lot of mutual understanding. And I still think we need another (more direct) player who will gamble on running into the box and be ruthless with his chances, so it all starts to look a bit crowded squad-wise.

True, but when you look beyond the starting XI adding a fourth player to the attacking options is great for squad depth.
If Sturridge is added to the three you mention, they will all get a lot of games. Some more than others of course.
How they perform & understand each other remains to be seen but I'd rather have too much than too little!

 

[gkmacca]

The problem is all the targets we seem to have are expressly wanting a move because they DON'T want to be merely an option. Both Sturridge and Ince score about 9 out of 11 on the Bellamy Chimp Meter.

 

[Hansern]

Just look at Utd. Having options is something we need if we are going to get anywhere.

 

[gkmacca]

Oh I quite agree. But if you're at the top, winning things and very stable, you attract such players like a magnet. When you're where we are, you don't. You're heavily reliant on finding a few with dispositions like Lucas to improve the squad, and there aren't many around.

 

[Squiggles]

I see Borini as back up for the central striking position. Promising though he's been, Borini hasn't, yet, shown himself to be sufficiently effective to justify a spot in the wider positions.


------------------------------------Suarez/Borini----------------
---Sterling/Enrique------Shelvey/Gerrard------------Sturridge/Suso

Either way, I think we've can guarantee any attacking player plenty of minutes and the chance to become a regular first team player

 

[Mystic]

Borini - Suarez - Sterling looks like a great front three in my book. Add in Walcott and rotate the four amongst the three and we're laughing in my opinion.

 

[Squiggles]

I'd like Walcott here too. He's developed hugely over the last 18 months.

We'll struggle to get him, though, as they'll be serious competition from better clubs than us.

 

[the count]

I'd like Walcott here too. He's developed hugely over the last 18 months.

We'll struggle to get him, though, as they'll be serious competition from better clubs than us.

I don't know if we will get him or not but by cynicism tells me that the recent reports of Fergie wanting him at Man U or Chelsea agreeing a fee of £15m are part of the drive up his transfer fee campaign. If so chances are that the clubs mentioned are not the ones that they are trying to inflate the fee on.

 

[Delinquent]

I actually have high-ish hopes for Borini, so if he and Suarez are in the team and we also buy Ince I'm not sure where Sturridge would fit. They're all players (less so Ince, but certainly the rest) who like to roam, so potentially the sheer fluidity and complexity of the forward movement would be fantastic, but it will need a heck of a lot of mutual understanding. And I still think we need another (more direct) player who will gamble on running into the box and be ruthless with his chances, so it all starts to look a bit crowded squad-wise.

I think Sturridge would play on the right side of the front three.

Sterling---Suarez---Sturridge

would be my guess, with the likes of Ince and Borini as options from the bench. It would certainly give us more options if we need to change a game, and it would also mean we can rotate when necessary. Sterling could probably do with a rest from time to time anyway.

 

[Oncy]

Borini - Suarez - Sterling looks like a great front three in my book. Add in Walcott and rotate the four amongst the three and we're laughing in my opinion.

We started the season with that and were hapless.
We need a top TOP class player in that mix to help suarez.
Or we need a worldy CM to pick them out.
One world class attacking player out of 5 is not enough.

 

[Holle]

Borini - Suarez - Sterling looks like a great front three in my book. Add in Walcott and rotate the four amongst the three and we're laughing in my opinion.

How is that a great front three?