You're right Neil. It'd be a massive sacrifice for us fans to have to give up on the mesmerising style of football we've had to live with for the last 20 years as Liverpool fans.
So who do we want/expect/hope?
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You're right Neil. It'd be a massive sacrifice for us fans to have to give up on the mesmerising style of football we've had to live with for the last 20 years as Liverpool fans.
If I was in your position Ryan i'd fold. You can't win.
Unless you want to tell me why we shouldn't be fooled by a couple of lucky cup wins into believing Di Matteo is a managerial genius.
Because going by you and others judge managers, hes a a standout candidate
Unless you want to tell me why we shouldn't be fooled by a couple of lucky cup wins into believing Di Matteo is a managerial genius.
Because going by you and others judge managers, hes a a standout candidate
Everyone wants the results first and foremost, but don't pretend that style isn't an issue. We've watched Houllier's and Benitez' teams, for the most part, bore sides into submission and eventually come to a point where we hit a brick wall and start to get our arses handed to us, with no plan B to get out. And it was dire to watch, as many pointed out. The problem is, because of the fiasco of the last 18 months, people forget. Once in and with his feet under the table, it won't take long before people start picking holes, same with most managers though, but anyway. We've been there.
Ross - you seem to think I'm taking your point of view regarding Managers seriously.
There's the problem in this debate.
I think over the last 10 years (as the football was pretty exciting in the 90's) the football has been 'okay' but we're not talking about 'okay' under capello we are talking about defensive, turgid, boring, sleep inducing football. and you can be blasé about it now but we'll see what your attitude is like after 6 months of it (especially if results aren't going our way). maybe not a big deal in the grand scheme but it's a factor.
You'd prefer AVB to Mourinho?
Exactly. Bayern Munich on Saturday night is a good recent example.
not that he would come but his last 3 appointments indicates that he needs a blank cheque to get the exact players he want to ADD to already strong teams. he improves teams on the brink of greatness to go that extra mile, I truly don't think he is the man to turn around the fortunes of a mediocre team which unfortunately is what we currently are.
Keep avoiding it Ryan, nobody will see through your bullshit.
The reality is nobody would consider Di Matteo a decent candidate, despite him having done the same as one of the very popular choices in 1/20th of the time.
Arsenal for the last seven years is a fucking huge example.
that was a cup game, BM challenged for the league using their style of play and so did barca.
we keep going on about the league being the bread and butter, let's not have double standands now.
arsenal have lot key players year on year, you could argue their football has kept them challenging despite their threadbare squad having no right to do so.
They didn't win though.
let me just say that I don't think the footballing identity is the ball all and end all but it is a factor and it's no coincedence (you'd think) that almost to a man the managers we are currently linked with (with a couple of expections) play an attractive brand of football.
if you knew world football and bought a franchise and wanted to copy the most successful side of the past 5 years (domestically and in europe) which team would you use as a blueprint?
if you knew world football and bought a franchise and wanted to copy the most successful side of the past 5 years (domestically and in europe) which team would you use as a blueprint?
They also haven't won a cup in 7 years.
Neil, you mention barca and munich... Didn't win much this year did they?
We need to get grinding out results down to an art form before we start playing with flair. You're putting the cart before the horse.
Neil, you mention barca and munich... Didn't win much this year did they?
We need to get grinding out results down to an art form before we start playing with flair. You're putting the cart before the horse.
the team that did win plays attacking football, as does the team that won the english and spanish league.
BVB won the german league - attacking football
madrid won the spanish league - attacking football
most successful side in europe over the past 5 years - attacking football
most succesful side in england over the past 5 years - attacking football
if we are going to establish an identity that will serve us for the next ten years NOW is the time to do it. we've gone down one road and had 2 league challenges in 10 years. we need to decide if we are going to rip up those plans and go down another road.
Neil the blueprint you'd choose an owners is the one that brings in most revenue (through cl qualification & progression) with least outlay. I believe Americans call it 'bang for your buck'.
This reason alone suggests rafa must be considered at some stage.
This reason alone suggests rafa must be considered at some stage.
but they do most years, it's a daft point really.
I agree we need foundations before we can start wiping the floor with sides, but anyway. Barca and Bayern are bad examples because they generally challenge on all fronts.
As for Neil's point about Arsenal, he's partly right, it has kept them up there. Their lack of a plan B and Wenger's stubborn nature has stopped them challenging.
Right, so you think he'll have an equally successful season at Chelsea if he keeps the job?
One Swallow doesn't make a Summer.
can you explain further please foxy?
I think that's very true. Fergie hasn't achieved his success by worrying himself about complicated tactics. He makes sure that when United have the ball, plenty of players get into the opposition penalty area, and if they don't he shouts at them at half-time with his whisky breath so they are all shit scared of him.
I think that's an argument in favour of Martinez - he tends to play attacking football even when desperate for points.
World's best player @ barca and they're reaping the benefits of something started in 93,but as seen, they can lose games when they can't break down opposition. They can't win ugly.
Munich... Haven't they not won much for a few years now? Constantly found out in europe.
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