So who do we want/expect/hope?
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I'm not averse to a strong character with leadership skills because thats exactly what we need. But if Capello couldn't get the best English players to perform, how is he gonna get our underperforming bunch to step up.
Get Van Gaal in. As successful as Capello, a loon but without the shit footy
Maybe, just fucking maybe after 50 years of "underperformance" by the English team - it's not the manager's fault.
Just maybe.
There are a number of factors that suggest this isn't going to happen.
1. FSG have stated they want the club to have an attacking pass and move philosophy, a Liverpool brand of footy that successive managers will continue to implement. Capello will do things his way, not the 'LFC philosophy way'
2. They've said they want someone young to begin a dynasty- we've just got rid of KK at 61. Capello is 65.
I'm not saying he hasn't been a great manager, his club record is amazing. I just don't see this happening.
1. FSG have stated they want the club to have an attacking pass and move philosophy, a Liverpool brand of footy that successive managers will continue to implement. Capello will do things his way, not the 'LFC philosophy way'
2. They've said they want someone young to begin a dynasty- we've just got rid of KK at 61. Capello is 65.
I'm not saying he hasn't been a great manager, his club record is amazing. I just don't see this happening.
Fair point Ryan but I'm with Sunny here. Get the lunatic Van Gaal in. He'll guarantee us to play good football and win games.
I'm in favour of Capello too.
Lets list off his trophies and ignore the fact he worked under very favourable circumstances every time he had a bit of success. Let's ignore that second stint at Milan where he had to turn around an under performing ageing side and got sacked quite quickly - because that's no indicator of anything at all.
We'll win the league next season by appointing him
Lets list off his trophies and ignore the fact he worked under very favourable circumstances every time he had a bit of success. Let's ignore that second stint at Milan where he had to turn around an under performing ageing side and got sacked quite quickly - because that's no indicator of anything at all.
We'll win the league next season by appointing him
I forgot to add when it doesn't happen people will make all sorts of laughable attempts to rationalise why it didn't and ignore the obvious
Have some coffee son, you need the caffeine. Its a bit early to be that feisty. 🙄
And which manager is going to win us the league next season Ross?
There's not a cunt on Earth who could take our shower of loaves and fishes and turn them into league winners.
I couldn't agree more.
There also isn't a cunt on earth who couldn't have won titles with that side Capello inherited at Milan, which was the bulk of his success. So let's stop ascribing some legendary ability to him
Like Mancini. The current Premier League winning manager.
It's quite amazing that Capello; the crook, joker, and con-artist that he is has managed to fool the greatest club sides on the planet in Real Madrid, Juventus and AC Milan into not only hiring him, but believing that the league titles he's won for them are indeed real - when in reality you and anyone else fortunate enough to understand the great managerial sting knows the real truth. Remarkable.
you seem to be ignoring ross' general point about the resources he has worked with in the past, resources that he patently wont have if he came here.
I know I am, because it's a lazy assumption on his part. I could argue that he won the European Cup in 94 with a team far inferior to that of Barcelona's, or that they hadn't won the league in 3 years prior to his arrival despite these amazing players already there, but what's the point? Ross has a (flawed) impression of a manager's role at a club and it's pointless even debating it.
Shhhhh!
there are number of issues for me with capello
1. his english isn't great
maybe not a big deal but it could become a problem if you're trying to get complex ideas across
2. his football is absolutely dire
okay, who give a fuck as long as we're winning? fine, but who says we're going to be winning, that is far from a guarantee.
mediocre results AND dire football, the mere though makes me feel a bit sick.
3. the guy is 65 years old
he patently isn't here for the long term and what's more he may have a 'been there, done that' attitude and the drive that he had earlier in his career to make teams perform beyond the sum of their parts may be on the wane. say what you will about AVB (for example) you'll know he'll be driven, especially in light of his previous debacle.
4. his recent successes were pretty much bankrolled
take his real madrid title, c'mon, the league was the minimum requirement given how much money was lavished on that team.
in the twilight of his career does he have it in him to push for top places on a shoestring?
5. he'll cost an absolute fucking fortune
we may be better off going for a cheaper option and spending that fortune on the playing staff.
1. his english isn't great
maybe not a big deal but it could become a problem if you're trying to get complex ideas across
2. his football is absolutely dire
okay, who give a fuck as long as we're winning? fine, but who says we're going to be winning, that is far from a guarantee.
mediocre results AND dire football, the mere though makes me feel a bit sick.
3. the guy is 65 years old
he patently isn't here for the long term and what's more he may have a 'been there, done that' attitude and the drive that he had earlier in his career to make teams perform beyond the sum of their parts may be on the wane. say what you will about AVB (for example) you'll know he'll be driven, especially in light of his previous debacle.
4. his recent successes were pretty much bankrolled
take his real madrid title, c'mon, the league was the minimum requirement given how much money was lavished on that team.
in the twilight of his career does he have it in him to push for top places on a shoestring?
5. he'll cost an absolute fucking fortune
we may be better off going for a cheaper option and spending that fortune on the playing staff.
So we want a manager who's proven to win leagues, but has not had resources to do it.
That leaves us with....emmmm.....ah shit.
That leaves us with....emmmm.....ah shit.
As I keep saying to Sunny, lets get Di Matteo.
Won the European Cup with an inferior Chelsea side. Something that proven winners like Mourinho, Scolari etc couldn't do.
Where are his 6 league titles?
for me this isn't about winning the league (because currently we have no chance of that) this is about pushing up the table on a modest budget and challenging for top 4 (which I think we could manage at a push with good leadership) implementing a footballing identity that is going to serve us in the long term and slowly build towards the title. I want a manager that fits that criteria. more AVB, de boer, klopp than mourino, cappello etc.
If we get Capello it's so they can stabilise the structure & then bring in their preferred choice either when he's available or when we're in a position to attract them.
If he constantly overperforms and works well under this structure (which is far more likely than any other appointment bar poss rafa imo) of course then there would be no need to look for a replacement.
If he constantly overperforms and works well under this structure (which is far more likely than any other appointment bar poss rafa imo) of course then there would be no need to look for a replacement.
Yeah, how dare he not have won six league titles in his three months at Chelsea.
Go on though make the argument against why Di Matteo shouldn't be in the running given the tactical genius he has shown to win two cups in three months. Rafa managed the same two cups in his entire time at Liverpool.
You know the answer, but unfortunately its the one that will lead you to having to agree with me
Go on though make the argument against why Di Matteo shouldn't be in the running given the tactical genius he has shown to win two cups in three months. Rafa managed the same two cups in his entire time at Liverpool.
You know the answer, but unfortunately its the one that will lead you to having to agree with me
He's good at counting cards?
AVB has a better track record than Martinez yet we wouldn't have to pay that cock end Whelan any money to get him.
If between those two it seems daft to pursue Martinez.
If between those two it seems daft to pursue Martinez.
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