Sebastian Coates

[nealmac]

I'd like to see him go on loan.

He looks really promising and he works his left bollock off in every game. And for the few games he's played he also has a goal to his name. A fucking cracker of a goal if I recall correctly. He's still young and has a lot of potential.

As already said, he does seem to have a howler every game he plays and he was awful today to be fair. But with the right coaching and a loan deal I think he's worth persevering with.

 

[the count]

I would like to think that he wont be solely judged on what was his worst performance in a Liverpool shirt.
I would like to think that heretofore he has always recovered well from his mistakes and put in some commanding performances.
I would like to think that people would take into account that he is still young and Martin Skrtel might not be his best partner for coaching him along.
I would like to think that he hasn't received those international caps for Uruguay for nothing.
But all I keep thinking is that Kenny Dalglish, Brendan Rodgers and all those other sentimental fools who wanted Carra to start ahead of him are all cunts

 

[peterhague]

That's three.

Do you think I don't know that?

 

[Irish_Red]

To be fair to the lad he's hardly played, the rumours going around that he was leaving the club and this was his last game for the club, his head wouldn't have been right to be playing today, fear of injury etc. He shouldn't have been on the field. Rodgers has to take the blame for playing him.

 

[gene hughes]

It must be hard to raise yourself to play against some giant mouth breathing thug on a cold, wet evening against Oldham in a ramshackle ground when south America has already voted you best young player at the region's biggest tournament.

 

[gene hughes]

If I was him I'd have been the same. I'd have looked at that Smith guy and thought 'fuck this'.

 

[Woland]

Yeah Lucas got player of the year over there too.

My guess is an agent gives the judge a massive load of wedge and prozzas etc

 

[Mersey86]

Two words: fuck right off.

No idea why I deserve that sort of reaction from one of the posters I most respected on this site.

 

[juniormember]

Yeah Lucas got player of the year over there too.

My guess is an agent gives the judge a massive load of wedge and prozzas etc

Lucas go it in his league.
Coates got it in a competition that included the likes of Argentina and Brazil.

 

[peterhague]

No idea why I deserve that sort of reaction from one of the posters I most respected on this site.

I was kidding.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

No idea why I deserve that sort of reaction from one of the posters I most respected on this site.

Peter gets upset sometimes but he's a good lad. He even likes me and has coached me to be a bit more honest and pragmatic in my approach to Rafa. Please give him a second chance.

 

[Red_Water]

Do you think I don't know that?

Yes. Maybe.

 

[peterhague]

Peter gets upset sometimes but he's a good lad. He even likes me and has coached me to be a bit more honest and pragmatic in my approach to Rafa. Please give him a second chance.

I was kidding Wiz. As in 2 words, 3 words then follow. Not v funny, not v nasty either. 🙂

 

[Roopy]

I'm not sure if I heard it right, but I had TalkSport radio streaming and fell asleep.

I vaguely recall hearing something like "Sebastian Coates looks like he is on his way out of Liverpool .... Brendan Rodgers has said the signing of Coates was an impulse signing by Dalglish".

Did he say this? Or did I just dream this?

 

[keniget]

I've been on about how we manage young players for years now and Coates is just the latest example. I'm really not a fan of big clubs buying up young talent and then just having them rot in the stands for 2 years.

We took guys like Coates and Wilson who were just starting to find their way in first team football and giving clubs like us a reason to look at them in the first place and then just essentially put their development on hold by never playing them. That can't be right, surely?

It would be the equivalent of sending Sterling off at the end of the season to go sit on the bench / in the stands for 2 years. Would anyone be in favour of that? How would he then play in the odd start in a cup now and then? He'd probably struggle as well and understandably so.

So we've paid in excess of 12M for two young CBs who had no chance of getting much game time ahead of Agger and Skrtel. It seems to me that we took on all the risk of buying young and robbed ourselves of any chance of the pay off falling back simply on the "well, they're young and will maintain some value in the market so we can get some money back if it doesn't work out". We would've been better off spending that money on a more established player (he can still be young, just not 20) and minimizing our risk.

 

[LarryHagman]

"We can't afford an Ayala, let's buy a Paletta and turn him into one". That was the philosophy wasn't it?

We could have bought and sold Ayala 50 times by now.

 

[mark1975]

I've been on about how we manage young players for years now and Coates is just the latest example. I'm really not a fan of big clubs buying up young talent and then just having them rot in the stands for 2 years.

We took guys like Coates and Wilson who were just starting to find their way in first team football and giving clubs like us a reason to look at them in the first place and then just essentially put their development on hold by never playing them. That can't be right, surely?

It would be the equivalent of sending Sterling off at the end of the season to go sit on the bench / in the stands for 2 years. Would anyone be in favour of that? How would he then play in the odd start in a cup now and then? He'd probably struggle as well and understandably so.

So we've paid in excess of 12M for two young CBs who had no chance of getting much game time ahead of Agger and Skrtel. It seems to me that we took on all the risk of buying young and robbed ourselves of any chance of the pay off falling back simply on the "well, they're young and will maintain some value in the market so we can get some money back if it doesn't work out". We would've been better off spending that money on a more established player (he can still be young, just not 20) and minimizing our risk.

I agree Keni, but that's great in hindsight. We've taken a ribbing enough times for not taking a punt on young players and investing it in more experienced stop gaps. I know we've also signed good players for that price too (Arbeloa, Agger, Skrtel), but anyway, they were exceptions rather than the rule, we've also signed some dross for that amount. Wilson only cost £2m btw.

You could argue that Coates has had reasonable playing time, he's played in Europe, in the domestic cups and he's figured in the league on occasion too. I'm not overawed with how Rodgers handled Sunday, but Coates is not really fitting into your idea that we bought him and wasted him. He's played and looked good sometimes, but he's also looked gash and out of his depth on other occasions, against lesser opposition too. I thought Sunday was unfair on him, he was dragged in from the cold having had his name publicly identified as a player who might be going out the door, so his confidence was probably shot, but prior to that he's had significant playing time.

 

[keniget]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then Mark.

It's all well and good to take a punt on young players. I'm all for that and always have been, but they need to be measured and with a plan. Coates obviously doesn't fall into the same category as Wilson - he's played far more. I grouped them together because they were both emerging CBs when we bought them.

I just don't think we're in a position to be spending that kind of money on players to sit around for 2-3 years hoping that by magic they turn into great players. Young players need playing time to develop and become the 20-30M players they aspire to be.

I'm not arguing against buying young players and I'm not making a case for or against Coates - I'm talking more generally about mitigating risk and managing your investments. I think what Chelsea did with Courtois, for example, is a great idea.

And generally speaking I think that if you're going to buy young you may as well go for attackers because they tend to peak earlier and you can afford to give them game time more often. Bringing along centre-backs is hard work at a club with aspirations.

 

[mark1975]

It's all well and good to take a punt on young players. I'm all for that and always have been, but they need to be measured and with a plan. .

I think that's the crux of many of our frustrations with young players, aside from Sterling (as recent evidence) there never seems to be a plan in place. Look at Pacheco. Chopping changing managers doesn't help either though, that's when plans change/get scrapped.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Let's loan him out to QPR or Villa. He'll get a good run of games, tons of pressure every game due to survival battle, and we'll know if he can hack it in the league.

 

[StevieM]

Let's loan him out to QPR or Villa. He'll get a good run of games, tons of pressure every game due to survival battle, and we'll know if he can hack it in the league.

I agree. Suso as well.

you can add Southampton, Norwich & Reading to the list of teams we could send them to as well.

 

[refugee]

I agree. Suso as well.

you can add Southampton, Norwich & Reading to the list of teams we could send them to as well.

As I said in another thread, I can't see a relegation threatened team playing Suso. In general those teams tend to fall back upon more physically imposing players when they are trying to battle out of the relegation zone. One notable exception being Wigan.

 

[Tal]

Let's loan him out to QPR or Villa. He'll get a good run of games, tons of pressure every game due to survival battle, and we'll know if he can hack it in the league.

That idea makes me happy.

 

[Red_Water]

There have been no bids for Coates apparently and after Sunday I doubt we'll get any takers.

 

[barrymac20]

There have been no bids for Coates apparently and after Sunday I doubt we'll get any takers.

Somebody say something?!

 

[Red_Water]

Somebody say something?!

I think the club denied there had been any bids and Clarke's assistant also said there was no truth in rumours linking WB with him.

Over the last few months I've been one of those who have complained about him not getting games etc however, something obviously hasn't been right somewhere with him. harping back to Sunday, he just looked sooooo disinterested, rather dopey in fact. Reminded me of Biscan with that gormless look he had on him!