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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477697#msg1477697 date=1328465718]
You wana take back the other stuff as well then?
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What? The fact that you don't seem bothered about a man who heads up an anti racist organisation using racially derogative slurs?
Nah.
If I used the the term wigged towards a fellow white man that's racist. Coconut is an equivalent of that term. Oh and I said earlier that if you couldn't or wouldn't see the opposite point of view then it was best left.
You wana take back the other stuff as well then?
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What? The fact that you don't seem bothered about a man who heads up an anti racist organisation using racially derogative slurs?
Nah.
If I used the the term wigged towards a fellow white man that's racist. Coconut is an equivalent of that term. Oh and I said earlier that if you couldn't or wouldn't see the opposite point of view then it was best left.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1477391#msg1477391 date=1328448723]
I never knew coconut was a racist term
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It's always a shame when people aren't aware of the racial connotations of a word, isn't it?
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haha
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1477391#msg1477391 date=1328448723]
I never knew coconut was a racist term
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It's always a shame when people aren't aware of the racial connotations of a word, isn't it?
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haha
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1477391#msg1477391 date=1328448723]
I never knew coconut was a racist term
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Well I guess we have established that concha tu hermana is not!
I never knew coconut was a racist term
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Well I guess we have established that concha tu hermana is not!
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477719#msg1477719 date=1328467527]
I am normally, but I think spion has been a bit out of order here. As were you.
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I am sorry Asim, however I do find your views on contentious topics such as this one to be one-sided and can possibly sometimes come across as condescending.
I don't think resorting to swear words is the answer either way but Im sorry for baiting you and making you angry.
*Handshake smiley*
I am normally, but I think spion has been a bit out of order here. As were you.
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I am sorry Asim, however I do find your views on contentious topics such as this one to be one-sided and can possibly sometimes come across as condescending.
I don't think resorting to swear words is the answer either way but Im sorry for baiting you and making you angry.
*Handshake smiley*
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477715#msg1477715 date=1328467130]
You said about a contradiction before spion not seeing the opposite view!
I can fully see the opposite view, I understand it but iv given my opinion on why I think what I do. If you don't want to accept then may I suggest you fuck off??
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Asim, knock it on the head mate. I appreciate you're getting a little wound up and this isn't really like you but even so chill out a little. It would be nice to have a week without the constant race debate though it always ends up going in unbreakable circles
You said about a contradiction before spion not seeing the opposite view!
I can fully see the opposite view, I understand it but iv given my opinion on why I think what I do. If you don't want to accept then may I suggest you fuck off??
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Asim, knock it on the head mate. I appreciate you're getting a little wound up and this isn't really like you but even so chill out a little. It would be nice to have a week without the constant race debate though it always ends up going in unbreakable circles
Personally I blame the Jews for all of this
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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477719#msg1477719 date=1328467527]
I am normally, but I think spion has been a bit out of order here. As were you.
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I am sorry Asim, however I do find your views on contentious topics such as this one to be one-sided and can possibly sometimes come across as condescending.
I don't think resorting to swear words is the answer either way but Im sorry for baiting you and making you angry.
*Handshake smiley*
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Do I generally take issue with people using language that's racist or has racial connotations? On the forum even I would suggest
Its fair to say so.
On this occasion iv said I'm not overly stressed about it cos I have a view re the word, which I think is funny cos if you took another thread or other race threads you might find me arguin the opposite? Would you say that's fair or not?
Iv not tried to be condasending or self righteous or take moral high ground in the thread, just find it funny that people are jumping on this for no other reason than to see piara get a good kicking cos he dared to question the powers that be at lfc.
My swearing at you was me' having a dig at the self righteous moral Hugh horse comment.
Me telling spion to fuck off was a response to him telling me' to fuck off.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477719#msg1477719 date=1328467527]
I am normally, but I think spion has been a bit out of order here. As were you.
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I am sorry Asim, however I do find your views on contentious topics such as this one to be one-sided and can possibly sometimes come across as condescending.
I don't think resorting to swear words is the answer either way but Im sorry for baiting you and making you angry.
*Handshake smiley*
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Do I generally take issue with people using language that's racist or has racial connotations? On the forum even I would suggest
Its fair to say so.
On this occasion iv said I'm not overly stressed about it cos I have a view re the word, which I think is funny cos if you took another thread or other race threads you might find me arguin the opposite? Would you say that's fair or not?
Iv not tried to be condasending or self righteous or take moral high ground in the thread, just find it funny that people are jumping on this for no other reason than to see piara get a good kicking cos he dared to question the powers that be at lfc.
My swearing at you was me' having a dig at the self righteous moral Hugh horse comment.
Me telling spion to fuck off was a response to him telling me' to fuck off.
Tbf dude, you and Neets have totally missed the point here.
Yes, you're absolutely right that nobody would give a fuck had this bellend not been proselytising from on high about Suarez and that, but this "he's Asian, what he says to another Asian is up to him" is utterly blinkered.
He's accusing the guy of being a skin traitor by acting like a whitey.
Inherent in that suggestion is that 'acting white' has got negative connotations. It's not just a pejorative term towards someone who is from the same ethnic background as him - it's also dissing all white people at the same time
Yes, you're absolutely right that nobody would give a fuck had this bellend not been proselytising from on high about Suarez and that, but this "he's Asian, what he says to another Asian is up to him" is utterly blinkered.
He's accusing the guy of being a skin traitor by acting like a whitey.
Inherent in that suggestion is that 'acting white' has got negative connotations. It's not just a pejorative term towards someone who is from the same ethnic background as him - it's also dissing all white people at the same time
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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477336#msg1477336 date=1328443705]
Funnily enough it's probably what spion has done in passing comment re abbot, and me' posting re Suarez. I hardly posted on the abbott thread but I backed her apparently. Why I suggested he was lazy.
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Fuck off. I said if I remember correctly. Now who's being fucking lazy? So I remembered wrong and I'll take that back.
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Jon, tone it down a little please mate.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477336#msg1477336 date=1328443705]
Funnily enough it's probably what spion has done in passing comment re abbot, and me' posting re Suarez. I hardly posted on the abbott thread but I backed her apparently. Why I suggested he was lazy.
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Fuck off. I said if I remember correctly. Now who's being fucking lazy? So I remembered wrong and I'll take that back.
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Jon, tone it down a little please mate.
Single I'm also saying not many people would be bothered about use of coconut, so that's first bit.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477753#msg1477753 date=1328471073]
Single I'm also saying not many people would be bothered about use of coconut, so that's first bit.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
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But the people who disagree with you are providing explanations, examples and evidence. You are only providing an opinion. Obviously this is because you are wrong and the other people are right. And you're pissing them off by (a) not changing your opinion despite being wrong, and (b) ignoring the explanations which demonstrate you are wrong
Single I'm also saying not many people would be bothered about use of coconut, so that's first bit.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
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But the people who disagree with you are providing explanations, examples and evidence. You are only providing an opinion. Obviously this is because you are wrong and the other people are right. And you're pissing them off by (a) not changing your opinion despite being wrong, and (b) ignoring the explanations which demonstrate you are wrong
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477753#msg1477753 date=1328471073]
Single I'm also saying not many people would be bothered about use of coconut, so that's first bit.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
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I'm sure they absolutely don't give a shit what he called him, it's just an opportunity to stick it to a sanctimonious prick who couldn't shut his mouth about us, so now he can get a taste of his own medicine.
I'm equally sure that as White people, most people couldn't give two fucks about the racist aspect of calling someone a coconut. I wouldn't give a shit about being called a banana, I'm not even fussed about being called a gwai lo - but call me a chink and I'll be offended.
It's one of the luxuries of being a White person in a White country that the racial insults don't have much bite: honky, cracker, chalky, whitey . . . people are more likely to laugh than be offended by these things.
But they're still racist. That's the bottom line. Like someone has already said - you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Power set himself up for a fall, and now he's just taken it
Single I'm also saying not many people would be bothered about use of coconut, so that's first bit.
Second bit ask Anita re that Though if I may suggest, it's not about he is Asian and so is other guy and so am I so it's all ok. Just saying it's massively different from rhe other incidents that have been discussed over past few months... That's my take on it.
Re bit again imo it's more about saying to someone you have lost out on your culture/heritage/identity rather than dissing White people. If others disagree then fair and fine I'm offering my view on it before people go mental.
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I'm sure they absolutely don't give a shit what he called him, it's just an opportunity to stick it to a sanctimonious prick who couldn't shut his mouth about us, so now he can get a taste of his own medicine.
I'm equally sure that as White people, most people couldn't give two fucks about the racist aspect of calling someone a coconut. I wouldn't give a shit about being called a banana, I'm not even fussed about being called a gwai lo - but call me a chink and I'll be offended.
It's one of the luxuries of being a White person in a White country that the racial insults don't have much bite: honky, cracker, chalky, whitey . . . people are more likely to laugh than be offended by these things.
But they're still racist. That's the bottom line. Like someone has already said - you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Power set himself up for a fall, and now he's just taken it
Again I wouldnt particularily see it as a massively racial slur if said to me, and funnily enough iv had it quite a few times. I'v also had much more from people of a similar vein.
In fact get called a coconut everytime I support England, cos iv lost my heritage bla bla, i don't see it as that I just see a bit of an idiot.
I mean if y'all are really up for it I'm happy to discuss the opposite of a coconut which I think is more of an issue but I will save the bother.
Btw if people want to think it's racially unacceptable then fair enough.
In fact get called a coconut everytime I support England, cos iv lost my heritage bla bla, i don't see it as that I just see a bit of an idiot.
I mean if y'all are really up for it I'm happy to discuss the opposite of a coconut which I think is more of an issue but I will save the bother.
Btw if people want to think it's racially unacceptable then fair enough.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48569.msg1477767#msg1477767 date=1328471916]
Again I wouldnt particularily see it as a massively racial slur if said to me, and funnily enough iv had it quite a few times. I'v also had much more from people of a similar vein.
In fact get called a coconut everytime I support England, cos iv lost my heritage bla bla, i don't see it as that I just see a bit of an idiot.
I mean if y'all are really up for it I'm happy to discuss the opposite of a coconut which I think is more of an issue but I will save the bother.
Btw if people want to think it's racially unacceptable then fair enough.
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Oh come on. This is said to you by your mates in good humour, where you know full well the intention is to offend you and not to propogate a racist ideology. Powar was not being humourous. His intention in calling Singh a coconut was not to simply offend him. It was to point out that he was a coconut in the actual racial sense of the word. Don't start acting dumb and ignoring these subtle differences.
If Powar had said coconut as part of banter to offend the guy, then he is guilty of using a racially offensive term (albeit as you point out it's hardly the worst racist term in the world). But the fact he said it and he meant what he was saying is speaking volumes about the fucked up mind of this cretin. That is far far worse than a racial insult. It is a racist ideology. Now that he's let his dumb facade slip and exposed how ignorant he is... so the boot goes in. Repeatedly. What's the problem?
Again I wouldnt particularily see it as a massively racial slur if said to me, and funnily enough iv had it quite a few times. I'v also had much more from people of a similar vein.
In fact get called a coconut everytime I support England, cos iv lost my heritage bla bla, i don't see it as that I just see a bit of an idiot.
I mean if y'all are really up for it I'm happy to discuss the opposite of a coconut which I think is more of an issue but I will save the bother.
Btw if people want to think it's racially unacceptable then fair enough.
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Oh come on. This is said to you by your mates in good humour, where you know full well the intention is to offend you and not to propogate a racist ideology. Powar was not being humourous. His intention in calling Singh a coconut was not to simply offend him. It was to point out that he was a coconut in the actual racial sense of the word. Don't start acting dumb and ignoring these subtle differences.
If Powar had said coconut as part of banter to offend the guy, then he is guilty of using a racially offensive term (albeit as you point out it's hardly the worst racist term in the world). But the fact he said it and he meant what he was saying is speaking volumes about the fucked up mind of this cretin. That is far far worse than a racial insult. It is a racist ideology. Now that he's let his dumb facade slip and exposed how ignorant he is... so the boot goes in. Repeatedly. What's the problem?
Let me put it to you another way. If we translate what your mates are saying to you into plain English, it'd go something like this....
"Hey Asim, what the fuck are you doing supporting England? It goes against your heritage, it's an insult to your parents and to your people, it's a betrayal dude, what are you doing"
Obviously that is a mouthful, so they use coconut in place of a 5 minute long lecture. And I will also add, Asim, exactly why the fuck ARE you supporting England? Your mates are absolutely correct, hang your head.
Back on point. How would you translate into plain English what Powar meant when he was speaking to Singh? This is the problem. It's not about heritage, or supporting England. It is about Suarez and the Man Utd fan. If you give me a translation in that context which does not have a racist ideology inherent to it, then fine I'll accept your opinion then. But here's the thing... I can think of no possible translation like that in this context. So I'm damn certain neither can you. What Powar meant was
"Suarez is a racist and so what are you doing as an ethnic minority supporting him? You're an Asian and you should be on our side in the fight against Racism. You're acting like a white man by supporting Suarez so get a clue"
.... see the difference
"Hey Asim, what the fuck are you doing supporting England? It goes against your heritage, it's an insult to your parents and to your people, it's a betrayal dude, what are you doing"
Obviously that is a mouthful, so they use coconut in place of a 5 minute long lecture. And I will also add, Asim, exactly why the fuck ARE you supporting England? Your mates are absolutely correct, hang your head.
Back on point. How would you translate into plain English what Powar meant when he was speaking to Singh? This is the problem. It's not about heritage, or supporting England. It is about Suarez and the Man Utd fan. If you give me a translation in that context which does not have a racist ideology inherent to it, then fine I'll accept your opinion then. But here's the thing... I can think of no possible translation like that in this context. So I'm damn certain neither can you. What Powar meant was
"Suarez is a racist and so what are you doing as an ethnic minority supporting him? You're an Asian and you should be on our side in the fight against Racism. You're acting like a white man by supporting Suarez so get a clue"
.... see the difference
I can't be arsed to get into all this again but just as a point of note Singlerider I have not 'missed the point'. I don't really take matters of race lightly. Im clear in the situation and clear on my stance, and have good reason for it, just because my opinion is different to yours, doesn't mean I've 'missed the point'.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48569.msg1477735#msg1477735 date=1328469085]
Personally I blame the Jews for all of this
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I'm just wondering how on earth I'll get money or oil from this mate ... Any ideas?
Personally I blame the Jews for all of this
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I'm just wondering how on earth I'll get money or oil from this mate ... Any ideas?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48569.msg1477335#msg1477335 date=1328443523]
I'm just wondering if there's a chance that any thread on here won't descend into a debate on Suarez and racism...
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Somebody should bring Lucas to the fore.
I'm just wondering if there's a chance that any thread on here won't descend into a debate on Suarez and racism...
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Somebody should bring Lucas to the fore.
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48569.msg1477335#msg1477335 date=1328443523]
I'm just wondering if there's a chance that any thread on here won't descend into a debate on Suarez and racism...
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Somebody should bring Lucas to the fore.
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Doesn't work anymore.
Watch,
LUCAS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER !!
Just wait and see.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48569.msg1477335#msg1477335 date=1328443523]
I'm just wondering if there's a chance that any thread on here won't descend into a debate on Suarez and racism...
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Somebody should bring Lucas to the fore.
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Doesn't work anymore.
Watch,
LUCAS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER !!
Just wait and see.
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