False Lucas. Don't be a brazil nut.
Racist Manchester.
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Also is this the quickest and longest off topic thread ever?
I don't think anyone actually commented on the manc guy in the story oncy linked.
It's all about what holt piara and lord what's his name said about them! Huh huh what did they say... See told you they hate lfc.
I don't think anyone actually commented on the manc guy in the story oncy linked.
It's all about what holt piara and lord what's his name said about them! Huh huh what did they say... See told you they hate lfc.
What's happened to our two supporters who were accused of racist actions? All very quiet.
Yeah the Oldham one particularly was a few weeks ago. Thought something would have happened either way.
To my mind the term 'coconut' is actually far worse and more damaging than many other words. It basically suggests that there are white ways of thinking, acting and so on and that these are not appropriate for people who aren't white. It manages to insult not just the person who is called a coconut but also to insult all white people at the same time. It's exactly the opposite of saying that we're all the same underneath, motivated by the same desires, fears and instincts and suggests that we are all different in some ineffable internal way so when someone steps out of line from how their race is supposed to think they are branded as being more like another race 'underneath'. It's a genuinely shocking thing to say and it's idiotic to say it doesn't matter if it's two Asians talking to each other and white people shouldn't give a shit.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1477806#msg1477806 date=1328476416]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48569.msg1477803#msg1477803 date=1328476279]
False Lucas. Don't be a brazil nut.
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That's considered a racist term.
I think I have to ban you
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Those aren't the racist terms you're looking for
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48569.msg1477803#msg1477803 date=1328476279]
False Lucas. Don't be a brazil nut.
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That's considered a racist term.
I think I have to ban you
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Those aren't the racist terms you're looking for
Re: Re: Racist Manchester.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328477037]
To my mind the term 'coconut' is actually far worse and more damaging than many other words. It basically suggests that there are white ways of thinking, acting and so on and that these are not appropriate for people who aren't white. It manages to insult not just the person who is called a coconut but also to insult all white people at the same time. It's exactly the opposite of saying that we're all the same underneath, motivated by the same desires, fears and instincts and suggests that we are all different in some ineffable internal way so when someone steps out of line from how their race is supposed to think they are branded as being more like another race 'underneath'. It's a genuinely shocking thing to say and it's idiotic to say it doesn't matter if it's two Asians talking to each other and white people shouldn't give a shit.
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^^^
But as I'm not a minority I'm sure I'm not allowed these feelings...
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328477037]
To my mind the term 'coconut' is actually far worse and more damaging than many other words. It basically suggests that there are white ways of thinking, acting and so on and that these are not appropriate for people who aren't white. It manages to insult not just the person who is called a coconut but also to insult all white people at the same time. It's exactly the opposite of saying that we're all the same underneath, motivated by the same desires, fears and instincts and suggests that we are all different in some ineffable internal way so when someone steps out of line from how their race is supposed to think they are branded as being more like another race 'underneath'. It's a genuinely shocking thing to say and it's idiotic to say it doesn't matter if it's two Asians talking to each other and white people shouldn't give a shit.
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^^^
But as I'm not a minority I'm sure I'm not allowed these feelings...
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
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And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
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And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
Re: Re: Racist Manchester.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48569.msg1477819#msg1477819 date=1328477588]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328477037]
To my mind the term 'coconut' is actually far worse and more damaging than many other words. It basically suggests that there are white ways of thinking, acting and so on and that these are not appropriate for people who aren't white. It manages to insult not just the person who is called a coconut but also to insult all white people at the same time. It's exactly the opposite of saying that we're all the same underneath, motivated by the same desires, fears and instincts and suggests that we are all different in some ineffable internal way so when someone steps out of line from how their race is supposed to think they are branded as being more like another race 'underneath'. It's a genuinely shocking thing to say and it's idiotic to say it doesn't matter if it's two Asians talking to each other and white people shouldn't give a shit.
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^^^
But as I'm not a minority I'm sure I'm not allowed these feelings...
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Yep and yep
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48569.msg1477819#msg1477819 date=1328477588]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328477037]
To my mind the term 'coconut' is actually far worse and more damaging than many other words. It basically suggests that there are white ways of thinking, acting and so on and that these are not appropriate for people who aren't white. It manages to insult not just the person who is called a coconut but also to insult all white people at the same time. It's exactly the opposite of saying that we're all the same underneath, motivated by the same desires, fears and instincts and suggests that we are all different in some ineffable internal way so when someone steps out of line from how their race is supposed to think they are branded as being more like another race 'underneath'. It's a genuinely shocking thing to say and it's idiotic to say it doesn't matter if it's two Asians talking to each other and white people shouldn't give a shit.
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^^^
But as I'm not a minority I'm sure I'm not allowed these feelings...
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Yep and yep
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48569.msg1477465#msg1477465 date=1328456190]
I'm going to have a multicultural wank about getting blown by loads of women of all races. I might stick a dude in there licking my bumring just to prove I'm not homophobic.
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Pervert.
I'm going to have a multicultural wank about getting blown by loads of women of all races. I might stick a dude in there licking my bumring just to prove I'm not homophobic.
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Pervert.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48569.msg1477823#msg1477823 date=1328477719]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
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And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
[/quote]
And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477837#msg1477837 date=1328478519]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48569.msg1477823#msg1477823 date=1328477719]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
[/quote]
And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
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Hahah I'm a racist, sure whatever you say
But really I don't care what you think as you clearly dont like me and are always an arsehole to me, so why would this be any different
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48569.msg1477823#msg1477823 date=1328477719]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
[/quote]
And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
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Hahah I'm a racist, sure whatever you say
But really I don't care what you think as you clearly dont like me and are always an arsehole to me, so why would this be any different
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477837#msg1477837 date=1328478519]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48569.msg1477823#msg1477823 date=1328477719]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
[/quote]
And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
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She isn't a racist, she's just making mistakes in her reasoning which is hardly surprising as she has to defend a view that was wrong from the outset. Anita is no more a racist, than KHL is blind in both eyes given his support of Christian Poulsen.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48569.msg1477823#msg1477823 date=1328477719]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48569.msg1477795#msg1477795 date=1328475945]
Anita, this thread holds the dumbest stuff you've ever come out with and that's saying something.
[/quote]
And I really give a shit what you think especially about racial politics amongst British Asians.
[/quote]
You don't give a shit because I'm white, and my opinion about what people of another race say is not worth anything, that's what you're saying. You're a racist Anita. You want to apply different rules and standards to people based on their race.
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She isn't a racist, she's just making mistakes in her reasoning which is hardly surprising as she has to defend a view that was wrong from the outset. Anita is no more a racist, than KHL is blind in both eyes given his support of Christian Poulsen.
What annoys me Anita is that I despise racism and social injustice and all the same shit you go on about and when someone who is supposed to be on the same side as me shows his or herself to be a hypocrite, I really fucking despair.
I don't know how many different ways or times to say it, having been called a coconut, more than once I find it very offensive but I don't think it's racist when it's two people of the same race because it can mean so many different things and be said for so many different reasons.
Who this particular Powell person or whoever is, I don't know nor do I care. I logged on and read about people saying one Asian person calling another a coconut is racist; that I disagree with.
I get the argument people are making that it suggests that one thinks race is linked with behaviour and therefore that's racist. But again I disagree that's a very simplistic way of looking at things.
I remember someone once said to me, many years ago, 'I don't even think of you as Asian, you're like one of us'. I didn't know how to react at the time, but it's probably one of the most offensive things anyone has ever said to me. I am
Asian and brown and want to be seen as such. My culture and race is part of whom I am, I don't want for people to 'pretend' in white. And I don't want my race to be something that isn't allowed to contribute to who I am, because it is. Of course how it shapes people varies, so it's not for one to impose on another how it should, hence why one telling another they are a 'coconut' is unacceptable IMO.
The key distinction is understanding that whilst diversity makes us different, to me that's the very beauty of mankind, it's shouldn't be a tool for human hierarchy; and that's what I object to and always will.
Who this particular Powell person or whoever is, I don't know nor do I care. I logged on and read about people saying one Asian person calling another a coconut is racist; that I disagree with.
I get the argument people are making that it suggests that one thinks race is linked with behaviour and therefore that's racist. But again I disagree that's a very simplistic way of looking at things.
I remember someone once said to me, many years ago, 'I don't even think of you as Asian, you're like one of us'. I didn't know how to react at the time, but it's probably one of the most offensive things anyone has ever said to me. I am
Asian and brown and want to be seen as such. My culture and race is part of whom I am, I don't want for people to 'pretend' in white. And I don't want my race to be something that isn't allowed to contribute to who I am, because it is. Of course how it shapes people varies, so it's not for one to impose on another how it should, hence why one telling another they are a 'coconut' is unacceptable IMO.
The key distinction is understanding that whilst diversity makes us different, to me that's the very beauty of mankind, it's shouldn't be a tool for human hierarchy; and that's what I object to and always will.
Re: Re: Racist Manchester.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328481032]
Everyone is racist deep down.
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Interesting point. Whilst it may not necessarily be racist, everyone certainly has a set of prejudices hidden.
I myself can't stand people from the south western part of madagascar.
High horse riding mother fuckers
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48569.msg1#msg1 date=1328481032]
Everyone is racist deep down.
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Interesting point. Whilst it may not necessarily be racist, everyone certainly has a set of prejudices hidden.
I myself can't stand people from the south western part of madagascar.
High horse riding mother fuckers
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48569.msg1477877#msg1477877 date=1328480959]
So it's offensive for someone to consider you white, but not offensive for someone to think you act white, providing they're from the same ethnicity as you?
Even if it is enforcing a barrier between ethnicities?
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Okay, how about actually reading the FIRST PARAGRAPH Fabio, where I've said I find it 'very offensive'?
See this is what I'm taking about, it was the same on the Suarez thread, people don't even want to actually read what you've written just what they want to understand.
I give up
So it's offensive for someone to consider you white, but not offensive for someone to think you act white, providing they're from the same ethnicity as you?
Even if it is enforcing a barrier between ethnicities?
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Okay, how about actually reading the FIRST PARAGRAPH Fabio, where I've said I find it 'very offensive'?
See this is what I'm taking about, it was the same on the Suarez thread, people don't even want to actually read what you've written just what they want to understand.
I give up
You found "I don't even think of you as Asian, you're like one of us" offensive, which it is of course, but don't see coconut as racist. I know it can be used casually within certain communities, but this is just an echo of internalized racism, and a recapitulation of it. When you actually unpack what coconut means, especially in the way it was employed here, you arrive at a sentiment that is basically "You appear as though you are asian, but inside you aren't one of us, you are white inside. You should remember your physical appearance and act in accord with what is your essential nature so that you aren't in conflict."
It's an evolved, post colonial version of "remember your place".
Both of these are just a frank binary view of race which are fundamentally exclusive and values each race differently. Those principals are the basic apparatus upon which really pernicious forms of racism are built.
It's an evolved, post colonial version of "remember your place".
Both of these are just a frank binary view of race which are fundamentally exclusive and values each race differently. Those principals are the basic apparatus upon which really pernicious forms of racism are built.
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