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okay,

1. suarez
truly a fantastic player, as brilliant as he is going forwards he works equally as hard going in the other direction. still don't think he should have taken the penalty but ho hum. pretty sure kenny's plan was to secure the win and take him off early but our profligacy (or s'land's tenacity however you want to look at it) ensured he stayed on longer than he should.
our most important player this season without a doubt.

2. our pressing in the first half
is absolutely a joy to watch, we work so hard to win the ball, we do it so high up the pitch.
such a high impact stratagem is going to require we be the fittest team in the league or the most clinical, the latter meaning taking our chances so we can defend a big lead.

3. defenders are absolutely terrified of carroll
and we need to use and exploit that. often carroll was occupying two defenders, that being the case the attackers should be running beyond him and filling the gaps the opposition defenders leave. also carroll took his goal extremely well and was the victim of a fussy linesman.

4. you don't get punished for side ways passing.
I said last week we need to be 'clever' away from home and do anything to disrupt the flow of the opposition, well you need to be clever at home as well. it was obvious as early as the 50th minute of the second half that many players were dead on their feet, so be clever and use the ball. it really is horrifying seeing the team resort to hoofs, what exactly does that accomplish? all it it means is you expend MORE energy chancing down hopeful punts. just play it square and play it square again, left the team catch it's second wind, let the opposition chase the ball. yes it's tedious, yes we create nothing but if we have the ball the opposition can't hurt us with it.

5. flannigan
was shocking for the equaliser, ball watching really is school boy stuff and shows a lack of awarness with what is happening immediately around you. if you are not going to contribute in an attacking sense then make sure you are rock solid in defense, but he is young and harsh lessons like that will stand him good sted. you learn by mistakes not your triumphs.

6. henderson
(imho) got stage fright. henderson from what I've seen of him is a very attack minded midfielder but chose to do the simple things and not take any risks, I still think we should persevere with him. don't look at it as one game, look at it as the whole season and over the course of a whole season henderson is one of the highest assist makers in the league.
will be interesting to see what kenny does, give him another chance knowing the player will be chomping at the bit to make ammends for a poor debut or bring in the more experienced kuyt.
I suspect the latter but if he does pick henderson it will show how much kenny rates the lad.

7. enrique
put in a good solid debut but was reluctent to get forwards, coupled with flannigan's reluctence to get forwards meant almost no momentum from fullback, that is a massive avenue of attack that we failed to utilise and can continue if we intend to dominate games. you speculate to aaccumulate. to fullbacks that sat deep, to defenders that sat deep and a holding midfielder that sat deep, all putting enormous pressure on the attacking players to create and creating massive gaps in midfield (which you all saw) if the attacking players attempt to hold their position upfield. back to enrique, good solid debut but johnson can't come back soon enough (at RB) as far as I'm concerned.

8. downing
ARRRGGHHHHH ya beauty! what a run, son! WHAT A RUN!!
that derserved a goal and almost certainly would have sealed the three points.
I thought downing was excellent, direct, intelligent, and delivery we excellent. I think downing is going to be a top top signing for us and and strikers aside our most attacking threat.
maybe needs to spend more time on the left, not because I think he loses his attacking threat on the right, I think whoever is on the right loses their attacking threat on the left.

9. lucas
going back to being 'clever' really needs to learn if an opposition player has their back to goal, is running away from goal, isn't a threat to our goal, then under no circumstances WHATSOEVER do you take him out. I mean, WTF?!! it allows the opposition (from nothing!) to absolutely load our box with their attackers and hit us with a dangerous free kick.
also he takes to take responsibility from the defenders and pick the ball of their toes and bring it forwards, if we are losing control of the game then take responsibility to turn things in our favour, far too REACTIVE giving away cheap free kicks when we are under the cosh and isn't proactive enough building our attacks. that said, he had a enough game game yesterday.

10. adam
thought he was excellent first half, spraying the ball about and had an excellent shot at goal but lost his way second half, also like lucas in giving away cheap free kicks in front of our goal. alonso-seque with his passing first half but very unalonso like with regards to slowing the pace of the game down when things are going tits up, if anything he exacerbates the situation by giving away cheap free kicks.

11. centre backs
were solid enough, no glaring errors, except maybe getting sucked towards the ball for the equaliser. will be interesting to see if kenny does bring in a centre back.

12. kenny
I thought he picked a good first team but was a little too slow to react to our dead on their feet right hand side. the right subs but a little too slow. we brave to start with a babyish right hand side and maybe didn't get the reward for his team's first half performance.

all in all a great first half performance offset by an equally poor second half performance, personally I think that was down to a lack of fitness than a lack of ability. we need to get sharper and we need to be more clever with the ball when we run out of energy. imho there are more positives then negatives to take away from the game.

first half - B (not A+ because we didn't take all our chances)
second half - D (too hurried, too panicky, not clever enough when we had the ball)
 
The biggest concern for me is how tired we looked in the 2nd half. After 55 mins we just stopped running.

This lead to mistakes, uneccasery free kicks and loads of loads misplaced passes. Still think we fucked up a bit this pre season and it will take us a couple of more games to get our fitness levels back.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46439.msg1379743#msg1379743 date=1313310183]
The biggest concern for me is how tired we looked in the 2nd half. After 55 mins we just stopped running.

This lead to mistakes, uneccasery free kicks and loads of loads misplaced passes. Still think we fucked up a bit this pre season and it will take us a couple of more games to get our fitness levels back.
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our preseasons are joke frankly. he travel half way round the world and whilst it good to push our name in the far east and makes us lots of money it pays havok with our preperations for the new season.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379745#msg1379745 date=1313310627]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46439.msg1379743#msg1379743 date=1313310183]
The biggest concern for me is how tired we looked in the 2nd half. After 55 mins we just stopped running.

This lead to mistakes, uneccasery free kicks and loads of loads misplaced passes. Still think we fucked up a bit this pre season and it will take us a couple of more games to get our fitness levels back.
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our preseasons are joke frankly. he travel half way round the world and whilst it good to push our name in the far east and makes us lots of money it pays havok with our preperations for the new season.
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Im not concerned about the far east trip, as that has no impact on the season. Utd and City have been to the states and Chelsea were in Hong Kong. We had more than enough time after that trip to prepare.

Its more how we played and lined up vs Hull, Valerenga and Galatasaray. Fielding players that wont be here and wasting time with travelling to Turkey. It gained nothing. Im not blaiming Kenny though, he's stuck with loads of shite players we cant use or sell. Sometimes you'd have to wonder what the fuck was wrong with Rafa. The Hodge was crap of course..
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46439.msg1379748#msg1379748 date=1313311139]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379745#msg1379745 date=1313310627]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46439.msg1379743#msg1379743 date=1313310183]
The biggest concern for me is how tired we looked in the 2nd half. After 55 mins we just stopped running.

This lead to mistakes, uneccasery free kicks and loads of loads misplaced passes. Still think we fucked up a bit this pre season and it will take us a couple of more games to get our fitness levels back.
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our preseasons are joke frankly. he travel half way round the world and whilst it good to push our name in the far east and makes us lots of money it pays havok with our preperations for the new season.
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Im not concerned about the far east trip, as that has no impact on the season. Utd and City have been to the states and Chelsea were in Hong Kong. We had more than enough time after that trip to prepare.

Its more how we played and lined up vs Hull, Valerenga and Galatasaray. Fielding players that wont be here and wasting time with travelling to Turkey. It gained nothing. Im not blaiming Kenny though, he's stuck with loads of shite players we cant use or sell. Sometimes you'd have to wonder what the fuck was wrong with Rafa. The Hodge was crap of course..
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I know the plan is to get everyone fit and put players in the shop window but sometimes I just feel we'd be better of concentrating on the players that wlll actually play.
 
I was quite surprised with Lucas in his first 45 mins, zipping balls around with pace to Suarez and Downing, and then charging upfield to pick a return pass. It was one of the main reasons why we dominated Sunderland in the first half.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379741#msg1379741 date=1313309548]
okay,

1. suarez
truly a fantastic player, as brilliant as he is going forwards he works equally as hard going in the other direction. still don't think he should have taken the penalty but ho hum. pretty sure kenny's plan was to secure the win and take him off early but our profligacy (or s'land's tenacity however you want to look at it) ensured he stayed on longer than he should.
our most important player this season without a doubt.

2. our pressing in the first half
is absolutely a joy to watch, we work so hard to win the ball, we do it so high up the pitch.
such a high impact stratagem is going to require we be the fittest team in the league or the most clinical, the latter meaning taking our chances so we can defend a big lead.

3. defenders are absolutely terrified of carroll
and we need to use and exploit that. often carroll was occupying two defenders, that being the case the attackers should be running beyond him and filling the gaps the opposition defenders leave. also carroll took his goal extremely well and was the victim of a fussy linesman.

4. you don't get punished for side ways passing.
I said last week we need to be 'clever' away from home and do anything to disrupt the flow of the opposition, well you need to be clever at home as well. it was obvious as early as the 50th minute of the second half that many players were dead on their feet, so be clever and use the ball. it really is horrifying seeing the team resort to hoofs, what exactly does that accomplish? all it it means is you expend MORE energy chancing down hopeful punts. just play it square and play it square again, left the team catch it's second wind, let the opposition chase the ball. yes it's tedious, yes we create nothing but if we have the ball the opposition can't hurt us with it.

5. flannigan
was shocking for the equaliser, ball watching really is school boy stuff and shows a lack of awarness with what is happening immediately around you. if you are not going to contribute in an attacking sense then make sure you are rock solid in defense, but he is young and harsh lessons like that will stand him good sted. you learn by mistakes not your triumphs.

6. henderson
(imho) got stage fright. henderson from what I've seen of him is a very attack minded midfielder but chose to do the simple things and not take any risks, I still think we should persevere with him. don't look at it as one game, look at it as the whole season and over the course of a whole season henderson is one of the highest assist makers in the league.
will be interesting to see what kenny does, give him another chance knowing the player will be chomping at the bit to make ammends for a poor debut or bring in the more experienced kuyt.
I suspect the latter but if he does pick henderson it will show how much kenny rates the lad.

7. enrique
put in a good solid debut but was reluctent to get forwards, coupled with flannigan's reluctence to get forwards meant almost no momentum from fullback, that is a massive avenue of attack that we failed to utilise and can continue if we intend to dominate games. you speculate to aaccumulate. to fullbacks that sat deep, to defenders that sat deep and a holding midfielder that sat deep, all putting enormous pressure on the attacking players to create and creating massive gaps in midfield (which you all saw) if the attacking players attempt to hold their position upfield. back to enrique, good solid debut but johnson can't come back soon enough (at RB) as far as I'm concerned.

8. downing
ARRRGGHHHHH ya beauty! what a run, son! WHAT A RUN!!
that derserved a goal and almost certainly would have sealed the three points.
I thought downing was excellent, direct, intelligent, and delivery we excellent. I think downing is going to be a top top signing for us and and strikers aside our most attacking threat.
maybe needs to spend more time on the left, not because I think he loses his attacking threat on the right, I think whoever is on the right loses their attacking threat on the left.

9. lucas
going back to being 'clever' really needs to learn if an opposition player has their back to goal, is running away from goal, isn't a threat to our goal, then under no circumstances WHATSOEVER do you take him out. I mean, WTF?!! it allows the opposition (from nothing!) to absolutely load our box with their attackers and hit us with a dangerous free kick.
also he takes to take responsibility from the defenders and pick the ball of their toes and bring it forwards, if we are losing control of the game then take responsibility to turn things in our favour, far too REACTIVE giving away cheap free kicks when we are under the cosh and isn't proactive enough building our attacks. that said, he had a enough game game yesterday.

10. adam
thought he was excellent first half, spraying the ball about and had an excellent shot at goal but lost his way second half, also like lucas in giving away cheap free kicks in front of our goal. alonso-seque with his passing first half but very unalonso like with regards to slowing the pace of the game down when things are going tits up, if anything he exacerbates the situation by giving away cheap free kicks.

11. centre backs
were solid enough, no glaring errors, except maybe getting sucked towards the ball for the equaliser. will be interesting to see if kenny does bring in a centre back.

12. kenny
I thought he picked a good first team but was a little too slow to react to our dead on their feet right hand side. the right subs but a little too slow. we brave to start with a babyish right hand side and maybe didn't get the reward for his team's first half performance.

all in all a great first half performance offset by an equally poor second half performance, personally I think that was down to a lack of fitness than a lack of ability. we need to get sharper and we need to be more clever with the ball when we run out of energy. imho there are more positives then negatives to take away from the game.

first half - B (not A+ because we didn't take all our chances)
second half - D (too hurried, too panicky, not clever enough when we had the ball)
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Agree with all of that. Good stuff Neil.

One thing I feel no-one is pointing out (probably because it is so obvious) is that we were bloody unlucky yesterday. Richardson should have been sent off (= 3 points) and Carroll's goal should have stood (=3 points). Yet again big decisions going against us.
 
Post Game Thoughts.

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46439.msg1379743#msg1379743 date=1313310183]
The biggest concern for me is how tired we looked in the 2nd half. After 55 mins we just stopped running.

This lead to mistakes, uneccasery free kicks and loads of loads misplaced passes. Still think we fucked up a bit this pre season and it will take us a couple of more games to get our fitness levels back.
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Adam and Carroll are (still) too heavy for 90 minutes imo. Lucas and a tired Adam won't ever dictate a midfield.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379741#msg1379741 date=1313309548]
okay,

1. suarez
truly a fantastic player, as brilliant as he is going forwards he works equally as hard going in the other direction. still don't think he should have taken the penalty but ho hum. pretty sure kenny's plan was to secure the win and take him off early but our profligacy (or s'land's tenacity however you want to look at it) ensured he stayed on longer than he should.
our most important player this season without a doubt.

2. our pressing in the first half
is absolutely a joy to watch, we work so hard to win the ball, we do it so high up the pitch.
such a high impact stratagem is going to require we be the fittest team in the league or the most clinical, the latter meaning taking our chances so we can defend a big lead.

3. defenders are absolutely terrified of carroll
and we need to use and exploit that. often carroll was occupying two defenders, that being the case the attackers should be running beyond him and filling the gaps the opposition defenders leave. also carroll took his goal extremely well and was the victim of a fussy linesman.

4. you don't get punished for side ways passing.
I said last week we need to be 'clever' away from home and do anything to disrupt the flow of the opposition, well you need to be clever at home as well. it was obvious as early as the 50th minute of the second half that many players were dead on their feet, so be clever and use the ball. it really is horrifying seeing the team resort to hoofs, what exactly does that accomplish? all it it means is you expend MORE energy chancing down hopeful punts. just play it square and play it square again, left the team catch it's second wind, let the opposition chase the ball. yes it's tedious, yes we create nothing but if we have the ball the opposition can't hurt us with it.

5. flannigan
was shocking for the equaliser, ball watching really is school boy stuff and shows a lack of awarness with what is happening immediately around you. if you are not going to contribute in an attacking sense then make sure you are rock solid in defense, but he is young and harsh lessons like that will stand him good sted. you learn by mistakes not your triumphs.

6. henderson
(imho) got stage fright. henderson from what I've seen of him is a very attack minded midfielder but chose to do the simple things and not take any risks, I still think we should persevere with him. don't look at it as one game, look at it as the whole season and over the course of a whole season henderson is one of the highest assist makers in the league.
will be interesting to see what kenny does, give him another chance knowing the player will be chomping at the bit to make ammends for a poor debut or bring in the more experienced kuyt.
I suspect the latter but if he does pick henderson it will show how much kenny rates the lad.

7. enrique
put in a good solid debut but was reluctent to get forwards, coupled with flannigan's reluctence to get forwards meant almost no momentum from fullback, that is a massive avenue of attack that we failed to utilise and can continue if we intend to dominate games. you speculate to aaccumulate. to fullbacks that sat deep, to defenders that sat deep and a holding midfielder that sat deep, all putting enormous pressure on the attacking players to create and creating massive gaps in midfield (which you all saw) if the attacking players attempt to hold their position upfield. back to enrique, good solid debut but johnson can't come back soon enough (at RB) as far as I'm concerned.

8. downing
ARRRGGHHHHH ya beauty! what a run, son! WHAT A RUN!!
that derserved a goal and almost certainly would have sealed the three points.
I thought downing was excellent, direct, intelligent, and delivery we excellent. I think downing is going to be a top top signing for us and and strikers aside our most attacking threat.
maybe needs to spend more time on the left, not because I think he loses his attacking threat on the right, I think whoever is on the right loses their attacking threat on the left.

9. lucas
going back to being 'clever' really needs to learn if an opposition player has their back to goal, is running away from goal, isn't a threat to our goal, then under no circumstances WHATSOEVER do you take him out. I mean, WTF?!! it allows the opposition (from nothing!) to absolutely load our box with their attackers and hit us with a dangerous free kick.
also he takes to take responsibility from the defenders and pick the ball of their toes and bring it forwards, if we are losing control of the game then take responsibility to turn things in our favour, far too REACTIVE giving away cheap free kicks when we are under the cosh and isn't proactive enough building our attacks. that said, he had a enough game game yesterday.

10. adam
thought he was excellent first half, spraying the ball about and had an excellent shot at goal but lost his way second half, also like lucas in giving away cheap free kicks in front of our goal. alonso-seque with his passing first half but very unalonso like with regards to slowing the pace of the game down when things are going tits up, if anything he exacerbates the situation by giving away cheap free kicks.

11. centre backs
were solid enough, no glaring errors, except maybe getting sucked towards the ball for the equaliser. will be interesting to see if kenny does bring in a centre back.

12. kenny
I thought he picked a good first team but was a little too slow to react to our dead on their feet right hand side. the right subs but a little too slow. we brave to start with a babyish right hand side and maybe didn't get the reward for his team's first half performance.

all in all a great first half performance offset by an equally poor second half performance, personally I think that was down to a lack of fitness than a lack of ability. we need to get sharper and we need to be more clever with the ball when we run out of energy. imho there are more positives then negatives to take away from the game.

first half - B (not A+ because we didn't take all our chances)
second half - D (too hurried, too panicky, not clever enough when we had the ball)
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That, sir, is an outstanding post and quite the best one I've ever seen from you.
 
cheers judge. lots to pick out of the game, on the first half showing lots to be excited about but on the second half showing there is still lots of work to do and we shouldn't get carried away.

suarez scores his penalty
the linesman lets carroll's push slide
downings shot is a couple of inches lower

and we'd all be purring about our new look side. we need to one our fitness, we also need to take something from the arsenal game as I think the knives will be out if we don't.
 
i look at rooney, valencia, young, and nani and i see movement, skill, one touch passing and pace off and the ball. We don't have that. Our possession of the ball was at too many times static and stale.
 
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=46439.msg1379775#msg1379775 date=1313315169]
i look at rooney, valencia, young, and nani and i see movement, skill, one touch passing and pace off and the ball. We don't have that. Our possession of the ball was at too many times static and stale.
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We had that in the first half.

We didn't have it in the second half.

It's a mystery why that happened.
 
It was plain and simple a game of two halves, everyone was great in the first half and nearly everyone was crap in the second.
That is for Kenny to work out what happened there.

I would not read too much into it. I think Henderson will be fine, he has good feet and a good touch, there would be something wrong if he was not a little nervous

regards
 
Henderson needs time to settle and is not yet ready to start. Flanno was poor throughout and struggled.
I still don't see defenders on the poles for corners and we look vulnerable at set-pieces.

Agger was ace and if he stays injury free will become world class.
Adam has the potential to fill Xabi's rather large boots on the evidence of his first half performance. He needs to work on his stamina.
Enrique has dispelled all doubts about his ability by setting a standard. He can only improve.
Carroll showed he can get about the park and pass the ball. There's more to his game than just heading and holding up the ball.
Downing's potential is scary but he needs to maintain his standards. His epic run deserved a goal. He is much better on the left.
Kuyt is better than Henderson on the right and should be an automatic starter.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46439.msg1379778#msg1379778 date=1313315507]
It was plain and simple a game of two halves, everyone was great in the first half and nearly everyone was crap in the second.
That is for Kenny to work out what happened there.

I would not read too much into it. I think Henderson will be fine, he has good feet and a good touch, there would be something wrong if he was not a little nervous

regards
[/quote] And didn't help playing his old team on his debut but maybe that could work both ways..
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46439.msg1379779#msg1379779 date=1313315578]
Kuyt is better than Henderson on the right and should be an automatic starter.
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I agreed with everything until you got to that point! Dirk wouldn't be an automatic starter for United, Chelsea, or even Arsenal. He's a player with lots of heart but not much ability. We have to do better than have Dirk as an automatic starter.
 
Now we have a decent squad hardly any of our players should be classed as automatic starters, and certainly not Kuyt on the right of midfield.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46439.msg1379779#msg1379779 date=1313315578]
Henderson needs time to settle and is not yet ready to start. Flanno was poor throughout and struggled.
I still don't see defenders on the poles for corners and we look vulnerable at set-pieces.

Agger was ace and if he stays injury free will become world class.
Adam has the potential to fill Xabi's rather large boots on the evidence of his first half performance. He needs to work on his stamina.
Enrique has dispelled all doubts about his ability by setting a standard. He can only improve.
Carroll showed he can get about the park and pass the ball. There's more to his game than just heading and holding up the ball.
Downing's potential is scary but he needs to maintain his standards. His epic run deserved a goal. He is much better on the left.
Kuyt is better than Henderson on the right and should be an automatic starter.
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How's Henderson going to settle into the team if he isn't picked? Besides, it's waaaaaaaay too early to be setting him aside. Deadly was never any more than a stopgap there - he kept getting games because our transfer policy failed to recruit somebody for that position. His best position is up front and that's where he should (and, I suspect, will) now play when selected.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46439.msg1379786#msg1379786 date=1313316274] His best position is up front and that's where he should (and, I suspect, will) now play when selected.
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I agree with that. Although our summer signings have filled many of the glaring gaps in our squad, we are still short in the striking department as we have been for several seasons. If you discount Ngog, Dirk is our only cover for Carroll. It's true that he is slow but he has plenty of experience and gets himself into scoring positions.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46439.msg1379782#msg1379782 date=1313315875]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46439.msg1379779#msg1379779 date=1313315578]
Kuyt is better than Henderson on the right and should be an automatic starter.
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I agreed with everything until you got to that point! Dirk wouldn't be an automatic starter for United, Chelsea, or even Arsenal. He's a player with lots of heart but not much ability. We have to do better than have Dirk as an automatic starter.
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Portly, get real. They have better players than us so its a moot point. What has Henderson done to deserve a starting place ahead of Kuyt?

Kuyt is by no means a winger but his hard running creates gaps and he is a goal threat. We may have a better squad but our RW options remain very limited. Its neither Kuyt or Hendersons best or natural positions. Apart from Gerrard, who is better than Kuyt on the right? While we have time, I really hope we ship a few players out and bring in a specialist for that position.

Henderson needs time to settle and may well become a better player than Kuyt in that position but he shoudnt be starting at this point. Yes he needs game time but blood the lad in sensibly.
 
I just thought that we need more aggression in our midfield, we don't have that ever since Mascherano left. We need to dominate the center circle.
 
over the course of a season henderson will be direct and deliver quality crosses from a WIDE position, something kuyt wont or at least hasn't. I think the kuyt fans should recognise that he does his best work through the MIDDLE so comparing his stats to GENUINE wide players is misleading.

you'll get no arguement from me that kuyt is a quality striker (you wont) but I simply do not think he should be starting in a wide position, he isn't a midfielder and I am 100% convinced if given the chance henderson will out perform him (in a wide position). if you don't want to go with henderson, fine, then go with maxi. kuyt should be battling suarez and carroll for a starting position up front not henderson and maxi out wide, it's fucking high time we stopped using kuyt there.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379821#msg1379821 date=1313322713]
over the course of a season henderson will be direct and deliver quality crosses from a WIDE position, something kuyt wont or at least hasn't. I think the kuyt fans should recognise that he does his best work through the MIDDLE so comparing his stats to GENUINE wide players is misleading.

you'll get no arguement from me that kuyt is a quality striker (you wont) but I simply do not think he should be starting in a wide position, he isn't a midfielder and I am 100% convinced if given the chance henderson will out perform him (in a wide position). if you don't want to go with henderson, fine, then go with maxi. kuyt should be battling suarez and carroll for a starting position up front not henderson and maxi out wide, it's fucking high time we stopped using kuyt there.
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maybe it's just me but the player i thought was unlucky to be dropped for henderson was meireles, rather than kuyt. if he's staying then i think he deserves a place in our starting XI - i really don't know what he's done wrong.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46439.msg1379823#msg1379823 date=1313323970]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379821#msg1379821 date=1313322713]
over the course of a season henderson will be direct and deliver quality crosses from a WIDE position, something kuyt wont or at least hasn't. I think the kuyt fans should recognise that he does his best work through the MIDDLE so comparing his stats to GENUINE wide players is misleading.

you'll get no arguement from me that kuyt is a quality striker (you wont) but I simply do not think he should be starting in a wide position, he isn't a midfielder and I am 100% convinced if given the chance henderson will out perform him (in a wide position). if you don't want to go with henderson, fine, then go with maxi. kuyt should be battling suarez and carroll for a starting position up front not henderson and maxi out wide, it's fucking high time we stopped using kuyt there.
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maybe it's just me but the player i thought was unlucky to be dropped for henderson was meireles, rather than kuyt. if he's staying then i think he deserves a place in our starting XI - i really don't know what he's done wrong.
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he's just back from injury
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46439.msg1379828#msg1379828 date=1313324843]
is he? must've missed that. when did he pick that up?
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Early in pre-season I think, I don't remember him figuring too much during the friendlies.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46439.msg1379821#msg1379821 date=1313322713]
over the course of a season henderson will be direct and deliver quality crosses from a WIDE position, something kuyt wont or at least hasn't. I think the kuyt fans should recognise that he does his best work through the MIDDLE so comparing his stats to GENUINE wide players is misleading.

you'll get no arguement from me that kuyt is a quality striker (you wont) but I simply do not think he should be starting in a wide position, he isn't a midfielder and I am 100% convinced if given the chance henderson will out perform him (in a wide position). if you don't want to go with henderson, fine, then go with maxi. kuyt should be battling suarez and carroll for a starting position up front not henderson and maxi out wide, it's fucking high time we stopped using kuyt there.
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I do agree in regards to Kuyt, I was hoping we were gonna sign another genuine winger for the right wing. I hadn't seen much of Henderson before he signed and its gonna take time for him to settle but we really should've got someone that could've moved straight into the right wing position and provide some quality and width. I don't think Kuyt offers much outwide where his weakness's are exposed and we really should be looking to bring in someone as Kuyt shouldn't be our first choice winger.
 
It's laughable the shit Dirk gets. If Henderson can emulate dirks last season in within the next five he'll be doing well. I don't understand this dirk hate. Henderson was painting by the numbers today, he did nothing. I was hoping for a lot better.
 
Re: Post Game Thoughts.

Hendo did fuck all on the pitch yesterday, but kuyt is poor at rm (not rw, rm) . It's a conundrum.
 
4-4-3

gerrard - lucas - adam
kuyt - suarez - downing

yes

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4-4-2

kuyt---gerrard - lucas--downing
----------carroll--suarez

no


if kenny is going 4-4-2 this season then I don't want to see kuyt at right midfield
 
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