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rurikbird

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Exhibit A: Encouraged by his performances during the international break for England, Henderson walks into Klopp’s office and asks to be considered for a position further forward. Klopp actually initially puts him on the bench in the next game (Southampton), but then does bring him on later - in a more advanced position he wanted. Hendo’s introduction helps us win the game and he continues playing further forward from then on, with good effect.

Exhibit B: at half-time vs Chelsea “boys talk about the space” that’s opening up in the center of the penalty area and devise a plan for Trent to deliver a low cross for Gini - this works to perfection and creates an invaluable opening goal. Klopp later admits the idea has come entirely from the players and that “we didn’t train this [type of] corner before the game.”

Exhibit C: today in the 85th minute of a tie game with the realistic chance at title on the line, Virgil TELLS Shaqiri to take the free-kick even though clearly the coaches designated Trent for these duties from this position. So essentially he overrules Klopp on the field - and yet again it leads to the game-winning goal. I didn’t check out Klopp’s press-conference yet, but I’m sure he will fully credit the players with this decision as well.

Most of the time when you hear the phrase “player power” it means something negative - players undermining the manager or creating destructive cliques etc. But here is the opposite example - players are taking initiative, noticing little details during the game that can be exploited and that even the coaching staff might miss and devising their own solutions. This shows that we have a group of players here who can think on their feet, have a deep understanding of the game and confidence to trust their own judgement. It also speaks to Klopp’s humility and total security in his leadership to allow players to take matters into their own hands when it’s warranted. And we did need this - for sure we would have been out of the title race already if not for these key decisions from the players.

Any thoughts on this? Did Liverpool teams of old have positive examples of “player power”?
 
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Exhibit A: Encouraged by his performances during the international break for England, Henderson walks into Klopp’s office and asks to be considered for a position further forward. Klopp actually initially puts him on the bench in the next game (Southampton), but then does bring him on later - in a more advanced position he wanted. Hendo’s introduction helps us win the game and he continues playing further forward from then on, with good effect.

Exhibit B: at half-time vs Chelsea “boys talk about the space” that’s opening up in the center of the penalty area and devise a plan for Trent to deliver a low cross for Gini - this works to perfection and creates an invaluable opening goal. Klopp later admits the idea has come entirely from the players and that “we didn’t train this [type of] corner before the game.”

Exhibit C: today in the 85th minute of a tie game with the realistic chance at title on the line, Virgil TELLS Shaqiri to take the free-kick even though clearly the coaches designated Trent for these duties from this position. So essentially he overrules Klopp on the field - and yet again it leads to the game-winning goal. I didn’t check out Klopp’s press-conference yet, but I’m sure he will fully credit the players with this decision as well.

Most of the time when you hear the phrase “player power” it means something negative - players undermining the manager or creating destructive cliques etc. But here is the opposite example - players are taking initiative, noticing little details during the game that can be exploited and that even the coaching staff might miss and devising their own solutions. This shows that we have a group of players here who can think on their feet, have a deep understanding of the game and confidence to trust their own judgement. It also speaks to Klopp’s humility and total security in his leadership to allow players to take matters into their own hands when it’s warranted. And we did need this - for sure we would have been out of the title race already if not for these key decisions from the players.

Any thoughts on this? Did Liverpool teams of old have positive examples of “player power”?
Exhibit D ... towards end of 1st leg Barca game..Klopp urges goalkeeper to come up for corner. But Robertson oders him to stay put. Corner taken and we lose ball, they counter with 3 and we race back...robbo manages to clear ball after bad shot from Dembele who tried to place his shot ONLY coz our goalkeeper was still there !!!
 
I’ve always read that our winning teams constantly did that and even in our decline in the 90’s Barnes did it heaps
 
It is either a sign of a confident manager who is not afraid of being challenged, or of a manager who lacks the confidence of his players and so they do their own thing. I think it's safe to say in our case it's the former.
 
It is either a sign of a confident manager who is not afraid of being challenged, or of a manager who lacks the confidence of his players and so they do their own thing. I think it's safe to say in our case it's the former.
Remember under Rafa, in one game he was trying to send out instructuins ti Xabi before some free kick, and Xabi ignored him and just did something different that led to a goal. I think Rafa shrugged his shoulders and said 'ok dont listen to me' but happy that we had scored. Fat Sam at the time was offended by the shrug of the shoulders by Rafa.
 
Klopp has said in interviews in the past that he knows he's doing his job well when the players start doing it for him & making match winning decisions without his help.

So it's obviously something he engenders, & it's brilliant to see, speaks volumes not only about the culture of the club, but the footballing intelligence of our players to be able to do it, instead of just blindly following instructions.
 
This has been going on all season. Notice Allison sprinting 30 yards in the 90 mimute against Everton to take a short free kick to Trent and release him further up the pitch before loading the ball into the Everton box.
 
Big players have big personality shocker. The likes of karius are never going to command the respect vvd and alison do.
 
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