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[Frogfish]

Copa Libertadores is a club competition, Froggy 🙂 All the 7 caps were in friendlies, so far at age 26 he didn't play a single minute for Brazil NT in a competitive match. Which means he's firmly behind both Marcelo and Felipe Luis in the pecking order (and also behind Dani Alves playing on the wrong flank). So the player you claim is "one of 2-3 best full-backs in the world" is actually the 4th-choice LB in his country alone.

As for Juve, in the last 18 league games of the season, he started 9 of them. He was first-choice in the CL this season, but not last season. Again, this is all not bad – but you really think "one of 2-3 best full-backs in the world" would be treated like that, at the prime of his career? At 26 we are talking about "improvement"? C'mon.

Oops re. Copa Lib. ! Mea Culpa. Don't know what I was thinking !

However being behind Marcelo, no disgrace, and Luis (if he still is, and we're discussing here and now, not historically, or MBappe wouldn't be quoted at 100m if we use last season's data, and Luis is 31 now, I doubt he is still ahead of Sandro, especially on this season's form. That would at worst make him 3rd not 4th, we can't start including RBs, especially a 34 year old ! Though I'd still say, on form, he's probably 2nd to Marcelo now. However that often comes down to a manager's personal preference. Though haven't both Marcelo and Alves retired from competitive international football ?

Also as I said Juve were wrapping up the league early on and yes, Sandro was on the bench for 9 of those last 18 Serie A games however EIGHT of them came either immediately before or after CL matches, so he was clearly being rested either for those CL games or after them. Juve's domination of Serie A obviously made the CL their clear priority from Last 16 onwards. The devil is in the details.

 

[Hansern]

Surely Chelsea will bid for him as well now? Costa rumoured to be off to Atletico.

 

[choperman.v01]

Mourinho got the very best out of Drogba. He'll know how to integrate Lukaku into that side.

-----------Lukaku-----------
-Martial--Pogba---Mkhitaryian--
------Matic----Herrera-----------

A lot of any improvement relies on Pogba increasing his goals and assists. Lukaku wont add many more goals than Ibrah last season.

I don't think Mourinho likes/trusts Martial; someone else will probably be brought in to fill that wide left role. I think they've been linked with Ivan Perisic for that position.

 

[Hansern]

Inter turned down a 40 mill £ bid from Utd for Perisic. Makes the Salah deal look even better.

 

[Red Bird]

Why would Lukaku want to play for Jose again after the issues at Chelsea, didn't sound like it ended well at all

I agree with this. I think the story has been concocted to hurry up Real Madrid on Morata.

 

[King Binny]

Just wondering how much Harry Kane is worth if Lukaku cost £75m.

 

[Modo]

Just wondering how much Harry Kane is worth if Lukaku cost £75m.

About £100 mill and a human sacrifice.

 

[Frogfish]

Surely Chelsea will bid for him as well now? Costa rumoured to be off to Atletico.

AM's opening bid was £22m. He's not going anywhere for that.

 

[rurikbird]

I have to say United are looking amateurish at this point. Why announce (or leak) that the price has been agreed when the deal is still not in place and Chelsea still might outbid them? If Lukaku does in the end sign for Chelsea (which seems to be his preference), Mourinho and Ed Woodward will end up looking really stupid.

 

[Glen C]

I have to say United are looking amateurish at this point. Why announce (or leak) that the price has been agreed when the deal is still not in place and Chelsea still might outbid them? If Lukaku does in the end sign for Chelsea (which seems to be his preference), Mourinho and Ed Woodward will end up looking really stupid.

Apparently it was Everton that leaked it as they want a bidding war.

 

[the count]

Secret Footballer‏ @TSF 16m16 minutes ago

Mino Raiola knows who pays the biggest agency fees. And it isn't Chelsea.

 

[6TimesaRed]

 

[ILD]

Kane > Lakaku right?

I'd rather they sign Lakaku over Kane or say Ronaldo going back to them.

 

[Frogfish]

Kane > Lakaku right?

I'd rather they sign Lakaku over Kane or say Ronaldo going back to them.

I'd rather they sign Lakaku too 😉

 

[rubans]

Rurik, my good man. Where are you getting your information ? It's shite !

He has 6 caps for his country including winning the Copa Libertadores. But it's no surprise he doesn't have more because who is he up against ? Marcelo !! Probably the best LB in the world. That also isn't to say that he hasn't started to achieve his potential, just look at his improvement at Juve this season.

Can't get into the first team at Juve ? He played 43 games for them last season (inc. 25 starts in Serie A and 9 starts in the CL. He and others were held back in some of Juve's Serie A games for the CL). Including every minute for Juve from the Last 16 all the way through to the final (so every minute of the matches versus Porto, Barca, Monaco and RM games). That sure indicates he's struggling to get into the Juve team doesn't it 🙄

Sandro vs Alonso plus same charts for Mendy, Marcelo & Alba. Sandro's is beyond impressive.

Off topic but I love that chart, star fish. Never seen it used before.Beats bar charts any day. Spending all day on this forum is not a total waste of time then 😉



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[LarryHagman]

I'd have asked for more if I was Everton. Given that players who have never played in the Prem are being shopped around for those figures why would you sell a 25 a season man for the same? Statistically, he's in Fowler/Owen territory, you wouldn't sell them for that fee today.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Length of contract and the need to sell.

 

[Hansern]

Agent Mino Raiola key to Man Utd's hijacking of Romelu Lukaku bid

Will Romelu Lukaku join Paul Pogba at United? CREDIT: PA

• Matt Law, football news correspondent
  
• Sam Wallace, chief football writer

6 JULY 2017 • 10:00PM
Mino Raiola has played a key part in Manchester United’s bid to snatch Romelu Lukaku from under the noses of Chelsea.
United surprisingly moved into pole position to sign Lukaku for £75million from Everton after receiving a tip off from the Belgian’s agent Raiola at the start of the week that an agreement may be possible.
Chelsea had been expecting to take Lukaku back to Stamford Bridge this summer, but progress regarding negotiations with Everton and Raiola had been slow.

United’s close relationship with Raiola seems to have been vital in Jose Mourinho’s bold move to hijack Chelsea’s interest in their former player.
Lukaku had made it clear he favoured a return to Chelsea over moving to United this summer, but it seems he has been convinced that Old Trafford represents a good option.

Chelsea’s only faint hope of resurrecting their own bid for Lukaku rests on whether or not the player is willing to veto his move to United in favour of holding out for his old employers.
But such a decision is unlikely and would be incredibly risky on Lukaku’s part, and United expect to conclude a deal before the club leave for their US tour on Sunday.

Raiola took three of his clients – Paul Pogba, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrikh Mkhitaryan – to Old Trafford last summer and also represents goalkeeper Sergio Romero.
It was reported in May that Raiola stands to earn £41m from Pogba’s world record £89m move from Juventus and the Dutch-Italian dealmaker will earn another handsome payday from the Lukaku deal.
Failure to land Lukaku could put renewed pressure on Antonio Conte’s relationship with the Chelsea board.

 

[Grjt2]

Im assuming (hoping) that this means we're at least going to have a little sniff around Morata.

Already on shaky ground at Madrid and looking around, already preparing himself for a jaunt to the English North West, just got himself a possible free upgrade...

 

[Oliver Twist]

We won't be spending £70m on a striker.

 

[Oncy]

We won't be spending £70m This summer.

*Laverne from Scrubs*
Uhhhhh-huuun.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Moratta is class - if he's available, we should be all over that.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Moratta is class - if he's available, we should be all over that.

He's obviously available, but we won't be spending that much on a striker. And rightly so. We have more glaring needs further back

 

[Mystic]

If we were to get Keita, VVD and a quality left back, I couldn't give a monkeys about a £70million striker. Salah, Mane, Firmino, Sturridge, Coutinho and Lallana are good enough to make a title challenging front three in my opinion.

 

[Oliver Twist]

*Laverne from Scrubs*
Uhhhhh-huuun.

Who is Laverne and what are you talking about?

Questions.

 

[Judge Jules]

We won't be spending £70m on a striker.

We just might if it was Obama-yang. Not otherwise though, no.

 

[Grjt2]

Who is Laverne and what are you talking about?

Questions.

Boooooooooooooooo!

 

[Grjt2]

We just might if it was Obama-yang. Not otherwise though, no.

Morata is 24 yrs old, and proven in La Liga and Serie A - I think hes exactly the type of player our owners are okay splurging on, because hes got guaranteed future value.

Obv the less you get him for, the greater the future profit. But say it were in the region of 60m-ish I dont see us losing big bucks on him even if he had a pretty average 2yrs with us and got moved on.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Morata is 24 yrs old, and proven in La Liga and Serie A - I think hes exactly the type of player our owners are okay splurging on, because hes got guaranteed future value.

Except Klopp is seemingly not in the market for a striker at that price. Whatever profit the owners may think they can make on someone like Morata.

 

[Grjt2]

Except Klopp is seemingly not in the market for a striker at that price. Whatever profit the owners may think they can make on someone like Morata.

According to whom?