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Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44893.msg1317922#msg1317922 date=1303207469]
I think this is kenny's fault, he should make sure his players are always in the right position so that they should never have to make sliding tackles in the first place.
[/quote]Thats the spirit.
The keeper should position himself so that no shot can beat him.
The defenders should position themselves that no pass can leave them a foot behind the opponent.
The midfielders should be just in front and behind their opposite numbers.
And
Strikers should be placing the ball into the top corner at the opposite side of the goal that the opposition keeper is in.
Kenny is failing us badly here.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44893.msg1317922#msg1317922 date=1303207469]
I think this is kenny's fault, he should make sure his players are always in the right position so that they should never have to make sliding tackles in the first place.
[/quote]Thats the spirit.
The keeper should position himself so that no shot can beat him.
The defenders should position themselves that no pass can leave them a foot behind the opponent.
The midfielders should be just in front and behind their opposite numbers.
And
Strikers should be placing the ball into the top corner at the opposite side of the goal that the opposition keeper is in.
Kenny is failing us badly here.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317920#msg1317920 date=1303207131]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317918#msg1317918 date=1303206786]
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
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I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317918#msg1317918 date=1303206786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317916#msg1317916 date=1303206525]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317912#msg1317912 date=1303205786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317911#msg1317911 date=1303205487]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]
I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44893.msg1317922#msg1317922 date=1303207469]
I think this is kenny's fault, he should make sure his players are always in the right position so that they should never have to make sliding tackles in the first place.
[/quote]Thats the spirit.
The keeper should position himself so that no shot can beat him.
The defenders should position themselves that no pass can leave them a foot behind the opponent.
The midfielders should be just in front and behind their opposite numbers.
And
Strikers should be placing the ball into the top corner at the opposite side of the goal that the opposition keeper is in.
Kenny is failing us badly here.
[/quote]
Exactly oncy, we'd be fucking aces if Kenny could just sort out our tactics
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44893.msg1317922#msg1317922 date=1303207469]
I think this is kenny's fault, he should make sure his players are always in the right position so that they should never have to make sliding tackles in the first place.
[/quote]Thats the spirit.
The keeper should position himself so that no shot can beat him.
The defenders should position themselves that no pass can leave them a foot behind the opponent.
The midfielders should be just in front and behind their opposite numbers.
And
Strikers should be placing the ball into the top corner at the opposite side of the goal that the opposition keeper is in.
Kenny is failing us badly here.
[/quote]
Exactly oncy, we'd be fucking aces if Kenny could just sort out our tactics
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]Getting net spend right is totally redundant. Any manager worth their salt will only sign players that are totally unknown but hit an unbelievable peak 2 days after signing and sell them the day before their cruciate snaps for 150 x their value.
Most managers are not very good.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]Getting net spend right is totally redundant. Any manager worth their salt will only sign players that are totally unknown but hit an unbelievable peak 2 days after signing and sell them the day before their cruciate snaps for 150 x their value.
Most managers are not very good.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
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Squiggles
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Re: state your unpopular football opinion
I like Kenny, but I wish he didn't instruct his players to make so many slide tackles.
I like Kenny, but I wish he didn't instruct his players to make so many slide tackles.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
[/quote]England losing is redundant. We invented association football so every victory is a victory for England. In an ideal world the world cup would just be a big piss up after which a trophy is awarded to an English legend like Jordan or Peter Stringfellow.
Other countries teams are just our sub-teams. As such they are redundant.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
[/quote]England losing is redundant. We invented association football so every victory is a victory for England. In an ideal world the world cup would just be a big piss up after which a trophy is awarded to an English legend like Jordan or Peter Stringfellow.
Other countries teams are just our sub-teams. As such they are redundant.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44893.msg1317942#msg1317942 date=1303209155]
I like Kenny, but I wish he didn't instruct his players to make so many slide tackles.
[/quote]I didnt like the way he told Robinson to allow Walcott to recieve the ball ahead of him in order to showcase how redundant Slide tackling ought to be. Thats taking the piss.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44893.msg1317942#msg1317942 date=1303209155]
I like Kenny, but I wish he didn't instruct his players to make so many slide tackles.
[/quote]I didnt like the way he told Robinson to allow Walcott to recieve the ball ahead of him in order to showcase how redundant Slide tackling ought to be. Thats taking the piss.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
Spidey - please stop.
Spidey - please stop.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44893.msg1317933#msg1317933 date=1303208535]
Kenny and oncey owning at the minute
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like fuck they are, their examples are rubbish.[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317926#msg1317926 date=1303207833]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]
I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
[/quote]
you need to read what you're saying.
let's say the keeper is pepe (an excellent reader of the game) sees that his centre backs are two spread apart and can see a quick triangle of passes will bypass the centre backs entirely how could he position himself to prevent himself having to make a save? he couldn't, you're talking rubbish.
on the other hand a midfielder ABSOLUTELY can position himself between the centre backs, his midfielder partner and the oppostion attacker to keep making sliding tackles to an absolute minimum.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44893.msg1317933#msg1317933 date=1303208535]
Kenny and oncey owning at the minute
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like fuck they are, their examples are rubbish.[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317926#msg1317926 date=1303207833]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317920#msg1317920 date=1303207131]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]
I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
[/quote]
you need to read what you're saying.
let's say the keeper is pepe (an excellent reader of the game) sees that his centre backs are two spread apart and can see a quick triangle of passes will bypass the centre backs entirely how could he position himself to prevent himself having to make a save? he couldn't, you're talking rubbish.
on the other hand a midfielder ABSOLUTELY can position himself between the centre backs, his midfielder partner and the oppostion attacker to keep making sliding tackles to an absolute minimum.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317944#msg1317944 date=1303209271]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=44893.msg1317940#msg1317940 date=1303209027]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
[/quote]England losing is redundant. We invented association football so every victory is a victory for England. In an ideal world the world cup would just be a big piss up after which a trophy is awarded to an English legend like Jordan or Peter Stringfellow.
Other countries teams are just our sub-teams. As such they are redundant.
[/quote]
Can't really argue with that
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1317932#msg1317932 date=1303208480]
Managerial ability is usually credited with what is the result of increased spending or overspending.
[/quote]
Sometimes you sound like you are regurgitating the book "Why England Lose", all your arguments seem to be taken directly from it at times.
[/quote]England losing is redundant. We invented association football so every victory is a victory for England. In an ideal world the world cup would just be a big piss up after which a trophy is awarded to an English legend like Jordan or Peter Stringfellow.
Other countries teams are just our sub-teams. As such they are redundant.
[/quote]
Can't really argue with that
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
* rant mode*
I'm increasingly finding myself having arguments about things that you can see with your own eyes, so why are you arguing the point, why am 'I' arguing the point?!!
our tactics were shit in europe this season - what's to argue about?
if you position yourself correctly there is less of a need to go sliding in - what's to argue about?
I mean ffs!!!!
* rant mode*
I'm increasingly finding myself having arguments about things that you can see with your own eyes, so why are you arguing the point, why am 'I' arguing the point?!!
our tactics were shit in europe this season - what's to argue about?
if you position yourself correctly there is less of a need to go sliding in - what's to argue about?
I mean ffs!!!!
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Squiggles
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Re: state your unpopular football opinion
Surely this is the most ridiculous debate ever witnessed on SCM?
Surely this is the most ridiculous debate ever witnessed on SCM?
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
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If our CMs were both approx 25 yards wide and had membranes in their arseholes that only allowed team members to pass through them, any opposing side would need to be able to fly or at least be as agile as those Crouching Tiger people to get past them.
If our CMs were both approx 25 yards wide and had membranes in their arseholes that only allowed team members to pass through them, any opposing side would need to be able to fly or at least be as agile as those Crouching Tiger people to get past them.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44893.msg1317933#msg1317933 date=1303208535]
Kenny and oncey owning at the minute
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like fuck they are, their examples are rubbish.[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317926#msg1317926 date=1303207833]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
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I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
[/quote]
you need to read what you're saying.
let's say the keeper is pepe (an excellent reader of the game) sees that his centre backs are two spread apart and can see a quick triangle of passes will bypass the centre backs entirely how could he position himself to prevent himself having to make a save? he couldn't, you're talking rubbish.
on the other hand a midfielder ABSOLUTELY can position himself between the centre backs, his midfielder partner and the oppostion attacker to keep making sliding tackles to an absolute minimum.
[/quote]Hahahahaha Youre fucking deadly Neil. I cant argue with that at all. They absolutely should be able to position themselves between the defenders the keeper the opposition striker etc. Then all we can do is hope and pray that none of the opposition players move a muscle. If that comes off this is a foolproof method of playing football.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44893.msg1317933#msg1317933 date=1303208535]
Kenny and oncey owning at the minute
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like fuck they are, their examples are rubbish.[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317926#msg1317926 date=1303207833]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317918#msg1317918 date=1303206786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317916#msg1317916 date=1303206525]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317912#msg1317912 date=1303205786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317911#msg1317911 date=1303205487]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.
Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]
I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.
there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]
okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]
that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).
[/quote]But if he positioned himself correctly he would never have to dive to save it. He would always be in the correct position to just have the ball thump straight into his chest.
In an ideal world keepers who make one handed diving saves to tip them round the post would be redundant.
[/quote]
you need to read what you're saying.
let's say the keeper is pepe (an excellent reader of the game) sees that his centre backs are two spread apart and can see a quick triangle of passes will bypass the centre backs entirely how could he position himself to prevent himself having to make a save? he couldn't, you're talking rubbish.
on the other hand a midfielder ABSOLUTELY can position himself between the centre backs, his midfielder partner and the oppostion attacker to keep making sliding tackles to an absolute minimum.
[/quote]Hahahahaha Youre fucking deadly Neil. I cant argue with that at all. They absolutely should be able to position themselves between the defenders the keeper the opposition striker etc. Then all we can do is hope and pray that none of the opposition players move a muscle. If that comes off this is a foolproof method of playing football.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
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maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317963#msg1317963 date=1303210900]
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
[/quote]
I conceeded the point that being GOOD at sliding tackles is a useful attribute but I will never ever conceed the point that a midfielder/defender doesn't need to slide in as much if reads the game correctly and positions himself accordingly. never.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317963#msg1317963 date=1303210900]
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
[/quote]
I conceeded the point that being GOOD at sliding tackles is a useful attribute but I will never ever conceed the point that a midfielder/defender doesn't need to slide in as much if reads the game correctly and positions himself accordingly. never.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317966#msg1317966 date=1303211082]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317963#msg1317963 date=1303210900]
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
[/quote]
I conceeded the point that being GOOD at sliding tackles is a useful attribute but I will never ever conceed the point that a midfielder/defender doesn't need to slide in as much if reads the game correctly and positions himself accordingly. never.
[/quote]Awwwwww, youre lovely really arent you.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317966#msg1317966 date=1303211082]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317963#msg1317963 date=1303210900]
The funniest thing here is that Ryan will undoubtably read this and have a chuckle and think yeah some fair points, whereas Neil (the real deal) will argue until the fucking cows come home about which blade of grass each player should be on to stop the opposition in their tracks.
[/quote]
I conceeded the point that being GOOD at sliding tackles is a useful attribute but I will never ever conceed the point that a midfielder/defender doesn't need to slide in as much if reads the game correctly and positions himself accordingly. never.
[/quote]Awwwwww, youre lovely really arent you.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
Hahahaha, this thread really made my day.
Hahahaha, this thread really made my day.
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317974#msg1317974 date=1303211992]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
[/quote]Im always happy kiddo.
I just read that thread and it made me near piss myself. I want to link it but i dont want you thinking im being a shit. So much win in it though.
Can i link it?
NB-You dont look great in it.
x
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317974#msg1317974 date=1303211992]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
[/quote]Im always happy kiddo.
I just read that thread and it made me near piss myself. I want to link it but i dont want you thinking im being a shit. So much win in it though.
Can i link it?
NB-You dont look great in it.
x
Re: state your unpopular football opinion
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317976#msg1317976 date=1303212197]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317974#msg1317974 date=1303211992]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
[/quote]Im always happy kiddo.
I just read that thread and it made me near piss myself. I want to link it but i dont want you thinking im being a shit. So much win in it though.
Can i link it?
NB-You dont look great in it.
x
[/quote]
if you want to link the thread link it, not bothered. if I did say I have concerns over aqua's slight build then obviously management was concerned as well as he played a handful of games in the centre of midfield as was promptly shipped out but I've since changed my mind with regards to needing to be physically imposing to hold a position in the middle of the park as I've observed severel CMs since who aren't physically imposing at all.
there, if you think I'm unable to conceed a point if I think I'm wrong then you're wrong.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317976#msg1317976 date=1303212197]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317974#msg1317974 date=1303211992]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317972#msg1317972 date=1303211660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317969#msg1317969 date=1303211178]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317965#msg1317965 date=1303210999]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317964#msg1317964 date=1303210954]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44893.msg1317953#msg1317953 date=1303209947]
I think you'll find the ideal physical shape for a holding and/or defensive midfielder debate takes that award.
[/quote]
maybe, and yet our current number one holding midfielder is built like a twig, therefore my point was born out over time.
[/quote]Oh goddddd!!
[/quote]
going from memory as the argument was ages ago, people were saying you have to be built like tyson to be an effective holding midfielder, which is patently bullshit.
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA. No YOU said you would be concerned if Aquilani was a holding midfielder as he was SLIGHTLY built. YOU SAID IT.
[/quote]
okay, if I 'DID' say that then I was wrong. there, happy?
[/quote]Im always happy kiddo.
I just read that thread and it made me near piss myself. I want to link it but i dont want you thinking im being a shit. So much win in it though.
Can i link it?
NB-You dont look great in it.
x
[/quote]
if you want to link the thread link it, not bothered. if I did say I have concerns over aqua's slight build then obviously management was concerned as well as he played a handful of games in the centre of midfield as was promptly shipped out but I've since changed my mind with regards to needing to be physically imposing to hold a position in the middle of the park as I've observed severel CMs since who aren't physically imposing at all.
there, if you think I'm unable to conceed a point if I think I'm wrong then you're wrong.
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