Neil has calmed down again - STATE YOUR UNPOPULAR FOOTBALL OPINION

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1314644#msg1314644 date=1302677159]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1314642#msg1314642 date=1302676748]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1314640#msg1314640 date=1302676250]
The last couple of pages has a lot of stuff that shouldn't be in this thread. They would be more appropriate to a thread titled "State your horrendously wrong football opinion"
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hence 'unpopular'.
I don't think this thread is about being 'right' it's about putting what you think out there.
[/quote]

Some of it isn't unpopular, it's just never been mentioned before because nobody in their right mind would have ever considered it.
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I guess, but anyway it's down to the individual and most opinions are often difficult to prove one way or the other unless time proves it correct, for instance I got absolutely flamed on koptalk for suggesting we get rid of owen when his value was highest. we ending up making 8 million on him (EIGHT!!) and even 'that' looks like a bargin now. anita got flamed for suggesting we sell Torres and although it's early days it looks increasingly likely she was right.

let you into a little secret though...a lot of what I said I did to be constroversial but I meant every word with regards to owen, I thought he was overrated, limited and the entire dynamic of our team changed to play to his strengths, a fair sacrifice to make it that team lands the league but we didn't and bar one season we got nowhere near the league.

 

[zlatan18]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Ibrahimovic is one of the best strikers in the world!
Carragher is over-rated and should be a bench player next season
Babel would have been good if he was played consistently..

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

zlatan is fishing, don't bite

 

[Avmenon]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

No, he's not fishing.

He actually believes it.

So many shit opinions in this thread; it's actually a bit disheartening.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44893.msg1314778#msg1314778 date=1302690688]
No, he's not fishing.

He actually believes it.

So many shit opinions in this thread; it's actually a bit disheartening.
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I actually took the idea from 'superherohype' (a superhero fan forum)
'state your unpopular unpopular movie opinion'

and honestly some of the opinions in that thread will make your eyes bleed, but it is only an opinion regardless of how 'out there' it is.

 

[zlatan18]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1314761#msg1314761 date=1302690063]
zlatan is fishing, don't bite





[/quote]

Not fishing at all..

Ibrahimovic shits titles and goals.. just look at his record
Carragher is past it, slow and should not be 1st team starter next season if we want to win trophies or be close to the top
Babel had so much potential but obviously no one is going to do anything when they get a match here and there or a sub appearance for 10mins with shit players around you

 

[KopKing]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44893.msg1314778#msg1314778 date=1302690688]
No, he's not fishing.

He actually believes it.

So many shit opinions in this thread; it's actually a bit disheartening.
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It's only shit cos you don't agree with them, which is the point of the thread. In that vein, I would add that I like Lucas, think he's a good player, is our most consistent performer and has more character than most people in the team.

 

[Avmenon]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Yes, I think they're shit.

 

[grjt]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=44893.msg1314136#msg1314136 date=1302621555]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=44893.msg1314118#msg1314118 date=1302619148]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=44893.msg1314117#msg1314117 date=1302618942]
The Yossi for Joe Cole 'exchange' was a stupid decision financially, ability wise and 'club room' wise (he seems to have been one of the most popualr players in the club).
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Nope, cant spot any ulterior agenda here; as you were....
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Thanks for the typical, and expected (from you at least), Brendan comment. Only motive = hoping our better squad players stayed. Which part of my statement is 'wrong'? I actually find you intelligent, pity you're a cunt most of the time.


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Nice attitude - I believe its post not the poster, surely someone in your position kno' dat.



The parts of your statement to take excpetion with are: as we didnt swap Cole for Yossi, they should be treated as independent signings; financially theyre on a par as Benayoun has signed on similar terms at Chelsea as Cole did here; one thing that you cant say about Cole (and there are alot of negative things you can!), you cant actually fault his popularity in the changing room.

Apart from that, knock yourself out.

Like I implied, you've let a teensie-weensie element of bias creep in which sort of undermines the point you were trying to make - LET ALONE THE CUNTING INSULTS.

 

[localny]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1314644#msg1314644 date=1302677159]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1314642#msg1314642 date=1302676748]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44893.msg1314640#msg1314640 date=1302676250]
The last couple of pages has a lot of stuff that shouldn't be in this thread. They would be more appropriate to a thread titled "State your horrendously wrong football opinion"
[/quote]

hence 'unpopular'.
I don't think this thread is about being 'right' it's about putting what you think out there.
[/quote]

Some of it isn't unpopular, it's just never been mentioned before because nobody in their right mind would have ever considered it.
[/quote]

Was it the mention of Robbie Keane that brought this comment out Rosco!

 

[Friend no. 2]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

If Robbie Keane was kept until the end of the 2008-2009 season we would have won the league.

 

[Oncy]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44893.msg1313370#msg1313370 date=1302535265]
They have nice big wet pockets otters do.
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You.................you fucked an otter?

 

[Ryan]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Being a great slide tackler is one of the most redundant attributes a midfielder can have.

 

[Peatcheo]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

To the outside world this is our version of RAWK's Lucas thread.

 

[singlerider]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44893.msg1317822#msg1317822 date=1303188268]
Being a great slide tackler is one of the most redundant attributes a midfielder can have.
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Why?

If you're a *great* slide tackler you make the tackle and keep possession of the ball, you may as well say the same thing about tackling

 

[Fabio]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Think ryan is saying it's better to be able to read the game and snuff out attacks than make sliding takes aaaaaaaaaaallllll the time.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.

 

[Fabio]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Or lucas...

 

[Judge Jules]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

Calling slide tackling "redundant", even in relative terms, is overdoing it though. I agree about reading the game, staying on your feet as long as possible etc, but there are bound to be times when even the best defender has to make a last-ditch challenge, even if that's due to the failings of others rather than to his own. "Less important", yes - "redundant", no.

 

[Fox]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=44893.msg1314950#msg1314950 date=1302702958]
If Robbie Keane was kept until the end of the 2008-2009 season we would have won the league.
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totally agree, still do not understand why we let him go in Jan

That few weeks in jan-feb cost us the title due to lack of goals and Rafa only has himself to blame for not being a LFC league winning manager and having god status forever

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Fox link=topic=44893.msg1317862#msg1317862 date=1303200561]
[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=44893.msg1314950#msg1314950 date=1302702958]
If Robbie Keane was kept until the end of the 2008-2009 season we would have won the league.
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to be fair our win ratio actually increased after keane was released (we secured more wins after jan than when keane was here before during dec)


totally agree, still do not understand why we let him go in Jan

That few weeks in jan-feb cost us the title due to lack of goals and Rafa only has himself to blame for not being a LFC league winning manager and having god status forever




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[singlerider]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44893.msg1317859#msg1317859 date=1303199857]
Calling slide tackling "redundant", even in relative terms, is overdoing it though. I agree about reading the game, staying on your feet as long as possible etc, but there are bound to be times when even the best defender has to make a last-ditch challenge, even if that's due to the failings of others rather than to his own. "Less important", yes - "redundant", no.
[/quote]

Yeah, exactly.

In an ideal world then fine, but shit happens. It's a good thing to have in your locker

 

[Oncy]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.

 

[Woland]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

My unpopular opinion is that this man speaks the truth.

Also, Spearing is getting much better at the slide tackle. When he smacked Toure with one fair and square last Monday night it got the fourth loudest cheer of the evening.

 

[Oncy]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Krump link=topic=44893.msg1317904#msg1317904 date=1303204968]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

My unpopular opinion is that this man speaks the truth.

Also, Spearing is getting much better at the slide tackle. When he smacked Toure with one fair and square last Monday night it got the fourth loudest cheer of the evening.
[/quote]SHIT! Is it unpopular that i speak the truth re-football??!? Fuck. I thought i was quietly brilliant.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.

there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.

 

[Oncy]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317911#msg1317911 date=1303205487]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.

there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317912#msg1317912 date=1303205786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317911#msg1317911 date=1303205487]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.

there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]


okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.

 

[Oncy]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317916#msg1317916 date=1303206525]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317912#msg1317912 date=1303205786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317911#msg1317911 date=1303205487]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.

there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]


okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: state your unpopular football opinion

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44893.msg1317897#msg1317897 date=1303204660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44893.msg1317853#msg1317853 date=1303199558]
ryan is 100% correct. good midfielders (and defenders for that matter) will read the game and and snuff out danger early, and if it is too late to snuff the danger out they will stay on their feet as long as possible eliminating the need to make a rash challenges. dixon is was spot on with his analysis of flanngan's intelligence when he (flannigan) forces the arsenal player wide rather than making a rash challenge which could have resulted in a free kick or worse being bypassed entirely. how many sliding tackles did you see alonso make, or didi, or sami, three players that read the game superbly.
[/quote]Ive seen Steven Gerrard (our best CM of all time) make hundreds of them. I disagree totally and wholeheartedly with both of you. A slide tackle is one of the most beautiful things in the game of football and when its nescesary its better to have an expert at it.

Youre example Re-Dixon by the way is completely ignoring the fact that AS HE WAS TALKING the clip showed Robinson put a slide tackle in on Walcott who had gained a pace on him down the line. He did it perfectly and stopped an almost sure fire cross coming in.
[/quote]

I didn't say I think ALL sliding tackles are a waste of time I said MOST of them are, the majority of the time they are not needed. look at the game with manu when carra totally clatters nani, 1-0 up, no danger, in slides jamie and totally takes nani out which. WHY? that EASILY could have resulted in him being sent off totally giving the initiative back to the mancs.

there is a reason sami wasn't booked for several seasons when he first joined liverpool, because he didn't make rash challenges. as for example of gerrard that was early in his career, he hardly makes any now.
[/quote]Ryan suggested being a GREAT slide tackler was redundant. You said 'I agree 100%' and then use an example of Jamie Carragher (NOT a great slide tackler) to prove your point?
Being GREAT at ANYTHING in football is vital for ALL of our players i would have thought.
This wooly fucking tactical bollocks that is prevalant in the game today 'Oh he should jockey him/read the game better/ stay on his feet and use the force to win the ball' does my fucking nut in, it makes me grind my teeth reading some of the posts that some of our tactical geniuses make.
A slide tackle is vital in the armory of a player. A bone crunching slide tackle CAN make the difference to a whole game.
Redundant my fucking knob.
[/quote]


okay, point taken. I've come at ryan's point from a different angle.
in my humble opinion the majority of sliding tackles are unnecessary but obviously if you are actually GOOD at sliding tackles it's a good asset to have.
I agreed with ryan's because if a footballer can read the game and position himself correctly, anticipate danger, snuff out threats at the source then sliding tacklers ARE (or rather SHOULD) be redundent.
[/quote]Thats like saying a keeper should NEVER have to make a diving save. Its just pie eyed crap Neil.
[/quote]

that's a rubbish example as a keeper will ALWAYS need to make saves. how the fuck can a keeper position himself to snuff out danger at the source and therefore not need to make a save? a keeper could be the best reader of the game ever but he will still have to make the save all he'd be able to do is make it as difficult as possible for the attacker to score (closing down the angle, etc).