Neco Williams deal done
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I think you meant to say good riddance
I don't understand transfer fees anymore. Seems like it's more related to your age and how many years left on a contract than it is too how good you are. 15m for Neco and a little over double that for Mane means it's almost nothing to do with ability.
Maybe it's to do with the fact that he's 21 and starting for Wales who he helped qualify for the World Cup.
Played a big part in Fulham winning the EFL.
Trained in England and has potential.
I mean it's a better CV than like 95% of other rightbacks his age.
Oh, I'm not saying he's not good. But I find it hard to get my head around him being about half the price of Mane, who is one of the best players in the world. It's not just this transfer, Ibe also comes to mind and a bunch more.
Haaland is the same age and only three times the transfer fee, and I know that had loads of extras in there too, but in general, transfer fees on their own, don't really make much sense when you compare them. They used to, I think anyway.
Neco and Ibe come with the British premium I guess.
We bought Thiago for like 20m, he played for Barcelona and Bayern Munich. It makes no sense.
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying reported transfer fees make no sense to me. They could be reported wrong, like Haalands. Or they know something I don't know, that a 21 year old with potential, is worth the same as a 29 year that is at their peak and proven.
When Mane approaches the end of his contract at Bayern he will be worth fuck all, regardless of his ability today. Neco, on the other hand would command a transfer fee.
Its like paying as much for a brand new Corolla as you would for a 10 year old BMW.
The key ingredients in deciding transfer fees tends to be "level of desperation" for any of the 3 parties involved; selling club, buying club and player. Obviously age/ability/experience come in to it, but thats not the important part. The desperation factor is kind of like multiplying or dividing an equation in brackets. Massively influences the end result. (Age+Experience+Ability ceiling) is then multiplied or divided upon by the Big D. So to work out whether D is multiply or divide is a separate equation:
Neco - We're happy to sell but don't have to (no change to price), Neco desperate to leave to play regular footie (should lower price), Forest are desperate for a right back (massively inflate price)
Sterling - City happy to sell, Sterling eager to go, Chelsea don't have to buy him as they have others in his position = reasonable fee
Ronaldo - United don't want to sell (raise price), Ronaldo is fucking begging to go (dramatically lowers price), buying club would like him, but not too fussed (no change to price)
If 2 of the 3 parties want to sell, I imagine it's divided. If the player wants to go and the buying club wants desperately, it's a multiply.
Of course, this is all just gibberish to fill a bit of time for me while working alone in the office
Neco - We're happy to sell but don't have to (no change to price), Neco desperate to leave to play regular footie (should lower price), Forest are desperate for a right back (massively inflate price)
Sterling - City happy to sell, Sterling eager to go, Chelsea don't have to buy him as they have others in his position = reasonable fee
Ronaldo - United don't want to sell (raise price), Ronaldo is fucking begging to go (dramatically lowers price), buying club would like him, but not too fussed (no change to price)
If 2 of the 3 parties want to sell, I imagine it's divided. If the player wants to go and the buying club wants desperately, it's a multiply.
Of course, this is all just gibberish to fill a bit of time for me while working alone in the office
Ibe is out of contract in the Turkish league. The comparison with cars would be a good one if players were predictable through their careers. This Corolla is nearly as likely to be worth very little in 5 years time as a BMW. And Mane will likely have delivered 100+ goals for that price, regardless of what he's worth at the end of it.
I think unproven youth, especially English, is over priced.
The other part of the equation is wage control. The Corolla is a lot cheaper to fix each week at the shop compared to the BMW.
You should pay more for people with lower wages?
For something newer, cheaper to fix, and likely to last you many more years, yes - that might equal out versus the performance difference.
It depends on what you value and how you project these players fitting into your future.
Hmmm...I think potential future value seems well over rated Vs value over the next few years. Thiago should have cost a lot more than Neco and I've, and Mane is worth more relative to those two. We've been on the right side of most deals though, so not complaining. I think selling off our 20/21 year olds that haven't really shown they'll ever be a starter for us, and before they prove they won't be (Gruijic probably would have been a bit more if we sold him earlier) is good business in today's market
Yes, good proven, experienced players are cheaper than they should be. Exactly.
It's just that final year thing, coupled with the fact that buying club knows they're never getting anything for them again. It's a write off on day one. Great deal for everyone really.
Williams may be more of a risk, but not a massive one. He'll be earning about seven times less than Mane and might become one of the best fullbacks in the league. Worth a punt.
But yeah, as I posted in another thread, I wouldn't be buying young players off us. That Brewster deal is actual theft in retrospect.
Williams may be more of a risk, but not a massive one. He'll be earning about seven times less than Mane and might become one of the best fullbacks in the league. Worth a punt.
But yeah, as I posted in another thread, I wouldn't be buying young players off us. That Brewster deal is actual theft in retrospect.
With a year left on their contract
It's a great deal for us. Maybe Neco has kicked on last year, but £17m seems excessive for a player who, last I saw, couldn't defend for shit, isn't tall, isn't strong, and was no more than average in attacking areas.
I don't put much stock in getting in the Welsh team since Woodburn was billed as a new Fowler and is now having to trial for Preston.
I don't put much stock in getting in the Welsh team since Woodburn was billed as a new Fowler and is now having to trial for Preston.
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