That's true, but if the point is why on earth Gerrard and Lucas' roles were reversed today; it's surely a valid one.
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Perhaps Rodgers thought Lucas could help us press higher up the pitch and therefore keep Stoke away from our dodgy backline.
Whatever he was trying to do, it didn't work.
He was trying to accommodate SG, plain and simple. He knows SG hasn't got the legs to ceaselessly harry so he thought playing him deeper we would get the best out of his range of passing, and limit the amount of chasing he would have to do. As you say, it didn't work.
I don't know what to make of M'vila's character issues, but he really is a terrific talent. A much better player than Fernando of Porto.
He isn't just a powerful figure who just flies into tackles, but is one who actually understands how to play that holding position.
If he joins, I suppose the long-term midfield shape will be like this:
------------------------M'Vila
-------Gerrard/Allen-------Henderson
That certainly looks much stronger than it is now, though I'm not convinced that either Gerrard or Allen offer enough playmaking - Gerrard's too aggressive, and Allen's too passive. Allen could develop in that role, but we'll have to see.
The other option, which I find quite intriguing, is to convert Allen into a full-time holding midfielder, and get a modern-day enforcer in the mould of Yaya to be Gerrard's long-term replacement. I've suggested Axel Witsel in the past, and I think he'd be a cracking signing. This basically:
---------------------Allen
---------Witsel----------Henderson
Both scenarios require Allen to develop in a certain way - I think his success/failure is going to be a key part of our growth in the coming couple of seasons. It's critical we define whatever role we want for him early though, and give him enough time at it.
He isn't just a powerful figure who just flies into tackles, but is one who actually understands how to play that holding position.
If he joins, I suppose the long-term midfield shape will be like this:
------------------------M'Vila
-------Gerrard/Allen-------Henderson
That certainly looks much stronger than it is now, though I'm not convinced that either Gerrard or Allen offer enough playmaking - Gerrard's too aggressive, and Allen's too passive. Allen could develop in that role, but we'll have to see.
The other option, which I find quite intriguing, is to convert Allen into a full-time holding midfielder, and get a modern-day enforcer in the mould of Yaya to be Gerrard's long-term replacement. I've suggested Axel Witsel in the past, and I think he'd be a cracking signing. This basically:
---------------------Allen
---------Witsel----------Henderson
Both scenarios require Allen to develop in a certain way - I think his success/failure is going to be a key part of our growth in the coming couple of seasons. It's critical we define whatever role we want for him early though, and give him enough time at it.
I haven't watched much of him since he left mainland Europe - but do you really rate him that highly? I can't get that leg breaking tackle of his our of my mind.
Well, if pressing is such an integral part of Rodgers' midfield philosophy (and I'm not sure why this is absolutely imperative against Stoke - we weren't playing City or Spurs whose midfield threat had to be nullified), and he thinks that Gerrard is incapable of it anymore, then I'd much rather he drops him than attempt to shoe-horn him into a position he's never played before, and equally inconvenience another player into playing a position he's never played before. That doesn't help anyone.
That's of course if you're so hell-bent on preserving your puritan 'pressing' game. For starters, we haven't even seen it implemented consistently through the season. I understand what you're trying to achieve through it, but it's not an overnight process - requires not just a training/personality shift, but also the necessary personnel. If you don't have the personnel to play it for a particular game, adapt and play the way the players are used to playing!
Managers are fucking stubborn cunts. All of them. This won't work well.
If it ends up fucking the second half of our season, I'll be furious.
1: I hope, for the sake of every woman on the planet you two have fuck all to do with any country's rape law legislation, fuck off.
2: Your upbringing, bad or good, does not give you the right to rape.
3: ‘She looked older’ is not an excuse, any one who uses that excuse is either a liar or is so fucking thick they should be buried in shit anyway, again fuck off!
4: At 15 years of age she, more often than not has been forced, drugged , threatened or been beaten into prostitution and hasn’t decided on it as choice of life.
4: I would be shocked if a ‘Conservative America’ investment company would sign somebody awaiting a rape trial.
5: I have been to travelling to Anfield a few times a year for the past 26 years, I’ve brought my sister, my wife( a few times) and my daughter(who admittedly has no interest), out of respect for them and the other 3-5 thousand other women(who attend a lot more often than us) this cunt should not be touched until proved not guilty!
I don't see Allen being converted into a holding midfielder. He doesn't seem suited to it. If we can't find a role for him, we're better off just selling him rather than going down a path that neither party would benefit from.
As it happens, I think we would benefit from having a player like Allen playing his natural game. Unfortunately it hasn't quite worked out like that so far for one reason or another.
As it happens, I think we would benefit from having a player like Allen playing his natural game. Unfortunately it hasn't quite worked out like that so far for one reason or another.
Do we have any idea if they knew she was underage? Because if they didn't point 2 is valid, I've never used a prostitute before, but I highly doubt you exchange documentation beforehand to prove legality, if they did know she was underage though, they're absolute scum. On a side note, don't you have to be 18 or over to solicit for sex?
Er, isn't it innocent until proven guilty?
He was playing his natural game before he got injured wasn't he? I liked him in that position, and if Gerrard is going to play this holding role, I'd like to see Allen playing that position again, hopefully giving Gerrard and outlet.
Where did I say he was guilty, you fucking smug cunt!
FSG did not buy Sterling, you fucking smug cunt!
Oh by the way. Stop being a cunt.
Fair enough! I haven't for a second suggested he was guilty or innocent. my original post was directed towards posters who suggest that it's ok or understandable for the Liverpool Football Club to sign players who rape 15 year old girls, because they can kick a ball really well.
The fact that he has not been proved innocent does not make him guilty, a position I have myself supported.
After you. Cunt!
Lots of issues. If he knew she was 15 and was happy to go ahead= cunt
If he thought she was older= less of a cunt but still a bad wab for going to a brass anyway
I'd rather a bad wab than a cunt
Did the Leroy Fer with a 13 year old story ever break in England?
http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2013/02/06/johan-derksen-legt-buzz-rond-fer-uit/
http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2013/02/06/johan-derksen-legt-buzz-rond-fer-uit/
Sounds like you've already made a decision on his innocence/guilt based on stories, rumours, conjecture and speculation rather than the facts. If a court of law deems him guilty then send him to jail otherwise I don't see the issue in preparing ground work to get him to play for us. A contract can easily be set up that contains a clause pending the conclusion of his trial if it gets to that situation.
Since, you was the initial cunt, I insist you go first.
Well BR doesnt need a perfect DM really, he just needs someone who can control the game and may be 'can do just enough' to carry some defensive duties. From his first day at Anfield, he has always talked about controller . So the piece of the puzzle was Lucas today, naturally playing there for the first time and got confused throughout the game about when to pass forward, when to be in defensive mode, when to attack and stride forward. It was natural that it was his first game. There will be question mark whether he is really suited for that role. But Gerrard is not responsible for the goal as DM or midfield performance, i think it was just that it was first experiment. I must say, BR has some balls to try doing that against Stoke, one of the most difficult places to go get a result. BR :bow:
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