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Minging it till 2020

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Agreed Hansern. There is an obvious weakness in defending corners, and Mignolet has not inspired confidence in recent times. I'm sure we will work on it, as Klopp says - though the issue has been apparent since the WBA game at least. I'm prepared to see how we do after having worked on it - I have generally been content with Mignolet - the big exception being against WBA. Yesterday - could have done better - but not the huge villain he's being painted as being.

As has been pointed out, we are a bit of a goalkeepers graveyard at the moment. Achterberg does not appear to have been helping the keepers improve. Klopp's attention will be there now, so expect improvements.

He's a dithering, error-prone divvy who can't kick a football. He's also contributed more mistakes that have directly led to a goal than any other Premiership goalkeeper

I've wanted him replaced since the Xmas Chelsea game a few seasons ago, because it was obvious then he just doesn't have what it takes.
 
I still think we will, but it seems an odd, worrying tactic to have given him such a lengthy deal.

I'm hoping it's a signal that we're going to be going after better players but will keep decent (not title winning) players who know the club around as back up. That way we can have the most expensive reserve team in history, and still fail to win anything.
 
Seems like he was covering the middle, then reacted to the ball coming dangerously at the near post. He got to the ball, but Giroud's deflection made the save a lot harder. To be fair to Mignolet - I know that's hard for many of us - the ball should not have reached him as it did - it was badly defended. One of the reasons is the makeshift defense we have after so many injuries - these things happen. Toure is past his prime, Sakho needs a couple of games. We're going to be more vulnerable at the back. Throwing it all on Mignolet is unfair - though he takes a share of the blame, certainly.

Agreed. It's a team game. We conceded that as a team. That some of the component parts of the team have huge weaknesses to go with their attributes is not their problem. They didn't buy and pick themselves.
 
For clarity, both our overall defending of set pieces is shambolic AND Mignolet is simply not good enough for a top four side.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
For clarity, both our overall defending of set pieces is shambolic AND Mignolet is simply not good enough for a top four side.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Hes not good enough for a top 10 side, Sunderland was about his level
 
In defending corners I'd tell my keeper to jostle any opponent standing in my way to deliberately cause the corner to be held up by the referee, making more room for myself when the corner is allowed.

The second thing I would do is ensure I'd got a defender on the near post.

Third thing I'd do is make sure I had at least one attacker outside the box waiting for the head or punch away.

As for our own corners?, well, we really do need to find a player who can consistently deliver a ball into the danger area. We waste way too many opportunities here, especially with Benteke, Sakho et al to aim at, and that Caulker looks a big fucker as well.
 
In defending corners I'd tell my keeper to jostle any opponent standing in my way to deliberately cause the corner to be held up by the referee, making more room for myself when the corner is allowed.


As for our own corners?, well, we really do need to find a player who can consistently deliver a ball into the danger area. We waste way too many opportunities here, especially with Benteke, Sakho et al to aim at, and that Caulker looks a big fucker as well.
Good points here. Our corners have been dire for some time. As you say, we have the players to pose an aerial threat - why do we waste so many opportunities to do this?
The jostling is also a good point. West Brom bullied us, as Stoke have done in the past. What rights does the goalkeeper have. West Brom were placing a player in front of Mignolet who seemed to attempt obstruction as well by staying in front as Mignolet tried to move around him. I felt these should have been called - but also that we were poor in letting it happen so easily.
 
If yesterdays result wasnt bad enough this is just awful.
If we're not signing a GK this summer I give up.
 
Yeah this shit makes you question everything about the club, we are clearly run by a bunch of fucking clueless wankers with zero ambition. Fuck right off.

The thought of seeing him in our goal for the next 5 years makes me want to puke.
 
We've sold players before just months after giving them a new contract, Suarez of course being the most notorious. I'm not too depressed about this. I think we're actively looking for a replacement.
 
He's a dithering, error-prone divvy who can't kick a football. He's also contributed more mistakes that have directly led to a goal than any other Premiership goalkeeper

I've wanted him replaced since the Xmas Chelsea game a few seasons ago, because it was obvious then he just doesn't have what it takes.
Good to see you're getting your mojo back Brendan. Much better than the limp wristed, vanilla brand Brendan you've been peddling of late.

Ming will be backup next season as I feel for sure we'll get a new GK this summer. So keep it calm everyone.
 
I can't believe that I could potentially still be watching Ming in our nets when I'm 41 years old.
 
We're just ensuring that when we bring in some hot poo (remember Robinhood?) young German keeper we've secured the best 2nd choice keeper available. If were to sign someone in the summer and Ming soon realised he was second choice, he'd son be off for buttons.

We also have the aded benefit that Mingolet might just take confidence from this and improve if he 'feels; others have confidence in him.

A win-win.

(I hope)
 
Mignolet is gash. We know it, Klopp knows it.

The difference is that we can say it without thrashing his price.

There isn't really a chance to sign a good keeper in January, so what should Klopp do?

He has to stick with our clowns until summer without damaging their reputation further (if that's possible) and without destroying their confidence.
 
Simon Mignolet is determined to embrace the responsibility that comes with committing the next stage of his career to Liverpool after the goalkeeper signed a new deal with the club today.

The 27-year-old sealed an extension to his Reds contract at Melwood this afternoon and immediately sat down with Liverpoolfc.com to explain his ambitions and objectives for the future.

Now midway through his third season on Merseyside, Mignolet has clocked up 122 appearances and ended 2015 with more clean sheets than any other ‘keeper in the Barclays Premier League.

But the Belgium international is eager to improve his performance level further and play a crucial role for Jürgen Klopp’s team in the months and years ahead.

Read on for a full transcript of the interview…

Congratulations on the new long-term contract – how pleased are you to get this deal done and dusted?

It’s amazing and I have to thank the club for the confidence in me. I’m very pleased that I can be at Anfield and a part of Liverpool for a long future. I’m happy to commit my future to LFC.

Why is this the right place for you?

Ever since I arrived here we have been going in the right direction. Also, with the new manager, who has praised me a lot – not only speaking with me personally but also to the outside world – I feel a lot of confidence from him. I’m here for the long-term future now and let’s hope together with the squad and the fans, we can achieve great things. We have to push on and keep improving. At the moment I arrived, three years ago now, I spoke with the goalkeeping coach and everybody at the club about what we could do better and work on. That list is becoming smaller and smaller. But it doesn’t mean that now I’ve signed the contract anything is going to change. We’re going to keep working hard and keep improving and building in the direction we want to go.

Was it important for you that now the contract is done, you can focus on continuing that improvement?

Yes, exactly. That’s the main thing. I have learned a lot since I arrived here, playing for a big club like Liverpool. Like I said, at the moment I arrived, we spoke about things we wanted to do better and could do better – that list is getting smaller. We’re working in the same direction to keep going forward. This contract is some sort of incentive to keep doing that. I wouldn’t say I want to work harder or push harder because that would mean in the past three years I wasn’t working at 100 per cent. Nothing has changed really. I signed my contract today. This morning, I was in the gym again to do my work and that will be the same for the future.

How have you changed since you first came to the club and how has the club changed?

Obviously the new manager has come in and a lot of players have come in and out. I have learned a lot of things. When you come to a big club, it was an eye-opener to see how big the club is all over the world. Then also in playing games, as a goalkeeper you have to change your style a bit and change the way you play. Playing out from the back, being commanding and being a leader is something very different to what I was used to before. Those are the things I will keep improving on. I’ll keep trying to do my best; I know where I can improve and I know where I can become better. Now we’ll work hard every single day in training and in the games we play to do that. I know signing a new contract comes with new responsibility. I’m getting older as well and coming into the years where people would say those are the years a ‘keeper is at his best. I know with a long-term contract, you get more responsibility – and I want to take up that role because I’m the sort of character that wants to be a leader, wants to speak in the dressing room and wants to help the defence. It’s an incentive to work hard in that sense, to be more commanding and to be a leader to help the team out whenever needed. I’ll try to work hard together with the goalkeeping coach and staff here, who are behind me and have given their confidence with a new contract. I would like to thank them for that – but you can’t really do that with words, you have to do that with performances on the pitch. And that’s what I’ll try to show.

You spoke about the adaptation coming here, the size of the club and the pressure and responsibility that brings. You have had to deal with that and develop. Do you feel you can now help other players adapt to the size of this club?

Yes, this year a couple of Belgians have arrived and I have helped them settle in. I have helped them being part of Liverpool and part of such a club. I’m getting older every day and more experienced, and I can help the young lads out in those kinds of ways. Signing a new contract and long-term deal makes it a bigger responsibility than it was already – you have to take it and embrace it and use it for the better of the whole team.

You touched on Jürgen Klopp and his praise of you and backing of you. How big a difference does that make to a goalkeeper, or any player, when you’ve got a manager who is so adamant about his support for you?

Especially for the goalkeeper, you have to feel the confidence of every staff member and the team. Because in that position you need people behind you and need them to believe in you 100 per cent, so you can do the best job you possibly can. I feel that confidence from everybody at Melwood. I have worked a lot with John Achterberg, the goalkeeping coach, and as I said, the list we made when I arrived here was very big. We looked at things we could improve and that will stay the same. Every day in training, we will try to work to keep improving the things we can do and maintaining the levels we’re at. He will do his work again from tomorrow onwards, like I will do – put our heads down, keep both feet on the ground and work as hard as we can.

It’s a unique positon because you only have one goalkeeper in the team. Adam Bogdan is here, Danny Ward has come back – do you work to push each other on to help each other become better?

Absolutely, we’re like a small unit and we have to keep each other sharp. There’s only one who can play and therefore the one who is not playing will be disappointed. I look at it that I have to try to push myself the hardest I can – that’s the only way I can get the best out of myself. Every time I have the chance to train or play, I’ll push myself the hardest. I’ve said before I’m my biggest critic; I’ll always look at what I can do better and where I can improve. Then it comes down to hard work to make sure that every time you have the chance to improve, you do it and you learn from things in the past that you could have done better. With the years and games you’ve played and the experience you gain, you become better for it. I hope to achieve a lot of great things on a personal level, but especially with the club because that’s what you want. You want to win things and Liverpool again wants to be at the top in England and Europe. With the new manager coming in and lifting the spirits, I think we’re on the right way. If you see the last couple of games we played against big opponents, unfortunately we didn’t manage to get the points but we definitely put in performances worthy of where we want to be. We’ve still got a lot of games this season and there are still a lot of things we can achieve this year with the Capital One Cup, FA Cup, Europa League and Premier League. We’ll do our best to get results and get the best out of every game we can, because there are a lot of things to win and Liverpool wants to win things.

What are those targets then, both in the long-term and the short-term? Do you see silverware this season as something you can grasp?

In the three years I’ve been here we’ve done a lot of great things. The first year, we went on that long Premier League run, unfortunately we missed out in the end, finishing second. [Last season] was the first time playing Champions League in a while, which was a great experience as a young team, we learned a lot through that. And now this year we’re still fighting. Last year we had the semi-finals in the FA Cup and the League Cup and this year we’re in the semis of the League Cup, we’re still in the Europa League, the FA Cup only just started and the Premier League we’re fighting in. I would like, together with the team, to win a trophy because that’s what you want as a football player, those will be the things you’re remembered for. So let’s hope we can try to do that as quickly as we can.

We spoke about your record in 2015, the most clean sheets in the Premier League – is that a target you then set yourself to try to exceed in 2016?

We speak about that a lot with the coaching staff. I’ve said it before, last year we managed with the team to get 15 clean sheets, which was the highest number in 2015. Like I said, clean sheets you get with the team, it’s not just the ‘keeper, it’s not just the defence. We have to do it all together and we work hard every day in training to learn what things we can do better. We know where we can improve to keep more clean sheets and obviously when you keep 15 the aim is always to go higher and improve that because we know if you keep clean sheets you’ll win more games and you get more points.

If you look at how we played against Manchester United and Arsenal, there is a lot to take from those games...

All the games we played against big opposition this year, we can take a lot of positives from them. Against United, we created so many chances and we played really good football, unfortunately you don’t get anything for that. That’s why we have to learn from those kinds of things because you don’t want that feeling anymore of frustration and disappointment after the game when you played well. In the future we have to show that killer mentality and make sure we win those games so we can capitalise on the [performance]. That’s something we’ll try to do in the future. Obviously it’s a good sign that we played such good football and created that many chances against top opposition, and in the future we’ll only be better for it.

Away from Liverpool, there’s the goal of the Euros with Belgium waiting at the end of the season. Is that a huge incentive for you?

That’s something else in the back of my mind. We go back to Belgium in March to prepare ourselves for the Euros in the summer and it’s a big stage. We’ve got a very good group of players and a very good squad so hopefully we can do well in France. We’ve got a tough group but we’ll try to get through and see where we end up in the tournament. The young lads in Belgium learned a lot in Brazil, we’ve been together a long period of time, and we’ve gained experience through that so therefore we will be better for it at the Euros. If we can get through the group you never know what can happen.

It must be a hugely exciting time to be part of the Belgian national team with so many world-class players?

It’s a generation of players who are at the same kind of age, grew up together, same kind of football, same style. It’s nice to be together and there’s a big fanbase behind us in Belgium as well who want the national team to push on. They’ll be behind us in France, one of our neighbours, so that makes it even more special. Hopefully we can do well and that’s what the aim will be in the summer.
 
Does anyone seriously believe that we are extending Mignolet's contract (when he already had over 2 years left on his existing contract) as part of some big masterplan to fuck him off or reduce him to 2nd choice?

If the club didn't fancy him, they would wait until the summer when he still has 2 years left and then sell him.

It's much more likely they actually think he is worth a new long term contract because he is supposed to be our future no 1 keeper.

As fucking bonkers as that sounds, it is the logical conclusion
 
I hope that it's not just an 'accidental' omission.

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Does anyone seriously believe that we are extending Mignolet's contract (when he already had over 2 years left on his existing contract) as part of some big masterplan to fuck him off or reduce him to 2nd choice?

If the club didn't fancy him, they would wait until the summer when he still has 2 years left and then sell him.

It's much more likely they actually think he is worth a new long term contract because he is supposed to be our future no 1 keeper.

As fucking bonkers as that sounds, it is the logical conclusion
You're applying common sense and logic to a club spectacularly lacking both.
 
I honestly thought it had to be all agent/paper talk. He's fucking garbage and if we're hoping to get a better fee by signing him to a new deal we're more hopeless than I ever would have imagined. Who the fuck wants to buy Simon Mignolet to be their fucking goalkeeper?
 
Just a theory, but worth considering:

The club/Klopp realise they're only going to get the keeper they really want in the summer. Klopp also realises that in order for us to achieve anything this season, he needs Mignolet's form and confidence to improve in the next 3 or 4 months. So what does he do, he praises him, says he's happy with the keeper situation, and goes even further and offers a new deal. He's basically saying, "I believe in you". All the while hoping it pays off, Mignolet starts believing it, puts in a few decent performances in the run in, and we sell him to the highest bidder in the summer.

Could this whole thing just be a psychological confidence boosting tactic? Elaborate and expensive one if true.
 
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