I really hope Mign is aware that every corner going forward will be in swingers with 2-3 players around him or the near post ...
Minging it till 2020
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Lallanas starting position is worse. In fact, I think he's more to blame.
Yup. He's a fucking minge
I'm not so sure about that - confidence comes from the keeper and flows throughout the team - I would ask the question:- If we'd have got Petr Cech at the start of the season and Arsenal had signed Ming would we have done better? would they have suffered?
I'm not saying he can't be improved upon, just that we have much bigger issues.
If we had better centre backs neither of those goals would have happened. Sure he should have done better, but all three goals stemmed from dreadful defending.
His starting positions isnt the best for the 2nd goal, to say the least.
Thats easy to say in hindsight.
The reality is that probably wasn't the plan from the corner.
I would have thought the plan was for a flick on at the front post rather than an attempt on goal. But the ball in wasn't hit well enough. So it was a bit of a fluke.
And Mig did get to it, he just didnt stop it
I think that's a bit shortsighted Mystic, you rely on your keeper as the last line of defense, so if your defenders are breached, you want someone you can rely on to not get beaten at the near post (for instance).
It's not really shortsighted, I'd argue the opposite, the goals we are conceding are simple to defend, really simple, to pin it on Mignolet is to almost excuse that. Mignolet is very good at making acrobatic saves, in fact in general he's a pretty good shot stopper, if he had even a competent defensive pair in front of him, whilst I'd imagine we'd want to improve upon him, he'd be more than good enough for a team in the top four.
Look at the pic above for their second goal and tell me how either centre half is to blame? They are marking in the middle, the ball gets played in near post, flicked on ( towards the goal ) and the keeper isn't able to keep it out. Only one person at fault there. As has been said, it's going to be like downtown Beirut during an Israeli fly by for ming from now on. Every single team will have looked at the Exeter corner last week and last night's and there is only one place covers are going from now on. Right under the crossbar whee he will crap himself.
They aren't directly, Lallana / general poor defensive organisation is, something they (and to be fair Mignolet) is responsible for.
The reaction is only harsh as Ming has fcuk up in every few games - Now its 2 mistakes in one game.
the defense was breached yesterday for the first goal thanks to Sakho getting a knock and no one else being alert to the situation, granted, but the keeper was still beaten at his near post, through he himself not being alert to the situation. I don't get why that isn't an issue.
I agree he gets some harsh criticism from some quarters, but this was more than warranted. You can't pinpoint blame at just the defense, otherwise we may aswell point the finger further upfield, at the end of the day, everyone has to do their job, Mignolet included.
Oh it is an issue, it's just I think he's more the symptom than the problem, you'd read this thread and think he was the number one problem with our squad, when in fact I think he's fine in the short, maybe even medium term. Sort out the defence and I'm sure Mignolet will be good enough for now, thankfully the Matip signing suggests that Klopp is working on that.
True, but how many times do Man United's defenders make mistakes only to be bailed out by De Gea? A top keeper is supposed to be able to bail out the team after at least some of these defensive mistakes. I think not letting goals in at your near post is basic goalkeeping.
If we have any ambition then he has been signed as our number two from next season when we go out and buy a shit hot number one.
I still think we will, but it seems an odd, worrying tactic to have given him such a lengthy deal.
There are some hyperbolic extreme opinions in this thread but this is one fucking funny post.
Carry on Molbystwin, carry on.
@Judge Jules Next time you're praying or are in touch with God on any level can you please let him know that Ming is 69 years of age?
Tell Robbie, much love from SCM as well please. Ta.
Why have him as number 2 when we can get a few mil for him and promote Ward to the number 2 role.
I don't believe they'd have given him the kind of deal they've just given him just to keep him as a no.2. Either Klopp really does rate him as no.1 keeper material (in which case I wonder what he made of last night's performance) or they're looking to sell and want to make sure we get a decent fee.
His starting positions isnt the best for the 2nd goal, to say the least.
Maybe Klopp needs to rethink sticking Lallana on the near post. He is simply not quick or athletic enough top win those battles and this is what can happen when he loses. Mignolet doesn't cover himself in glory either, did he get stuck in the mud? Why did he come out so early – if the ball was directed towards Mertesacker or Koscielny, he would have no momentum to out-jump them either.
Overall, it's really infuriating to concede a goal like that in an otherwise high-quality game. One of the most expensive teams in the world defending worse than a bunch of schoolyard kids. This has to be sorted.
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Glad to have given you the chance to let off steam - seems like you may have needed it.😉
Seems like he was covering the middle, then reacted to the ball coming dangerously at the near post. He got to the ball, but Giroud's deflection made the save a lot harder. To be fair to Mignolet - I know that's hard for many of us - the ball should not have reached him as it did - it was badly defended. One of the reasons is the makeshift defense we have after so many injuries - these things happen. Toure is past his prime, Sakho needs a couple of games. We're going to be more vulnerable at the back. Throwing it all on Mignolet is unfair - though he takes a share of the blame, certainly.His starting positions isnt the best for the 2nd goal, to say the least.
Yeah, it was a mix of bad defending and poor goalkeeping. But for me Ming shouldnt be that far out, he should be closer to the goal line in my opinion.
He knows its an inswinging corner and should position himself thereafter.
Agreed Hansern. There is an obvious weakness in defending corners, and Mignolet has not inspired confidence in recent times. I'm sure we will work on it, as Klopp says - though the issue has been apparent since the WBA game at least. I'm prepared to see how we do after having worked on it - I have generally been content with Mignolet - the big exception being against WBA. Yesterday - could have done better - but not the huge villain he's being painted as being.
As has been pointed out, we are a bit of a goalkeepers graveyard at the moment. Achterberg does not appear to have been helping the keepers improve. Klopp's attention will be there now, so expect improvements.
As has been pointed out, we are a bit of a goalkeepers graveyard at the moment. Achterberg does not appear to have been helping the keepers improve. Klopp's attention will be there now, so expect improvements.
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