Mind games

[rurikbird]

I was just thinking - if Klopp or someone else from our camp came out and said something to the effect that City play boring, robotic football and this becomes a point of discussion in the media, it might just unsettle them a little bit as they will try to do something that disproves the emerging narrative and perhaps take a risk they would not have otherwise taken. Even if Pep doesn’t take the bait, some of his players might.

I respect the fact that Klopp doesn’t usually get involved in mind games and just focuses on our own performances - 9 times out of 10 that’s a better strategy. But when you’re 9 or 12 points behind in the title race, sometimes you need to create a little turbulence to disrupt the other team’s winning procession. Perhaps Jurgen can ring a certain Josè in Rome for some pointers and tips on how to throw a little spanner in the works.

 

[StevieM]

Mourinho is usually more adept at throwing a spanner into his own work, rather than anyone else’s.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Completely disagree.

I'm gonna be controversial and say what's so different about Klopp is that he has really let his Christian values shone through, first as a human being, and secondly in running the club. He's really a breath of fresh air in the sports arena, and you don't find many like him, especially in the cutthroat world of premier football. He let his life and how he treats others, do the talking and practises what he preaches, unlike many of the religious hypocrites out there. Granted, he's not perfect, nobody is, but the testament of his character, is that even the Muslims in the club speak highly of Klopp and they certainly don't feel uncomfortable at all. This itself speaks volumes of how the club's being run. I'd even say, we've gone back to being the Liverpool Way, okay no boot room anymore but the old values are being brought back again, which really is refreshing, and you can see it in the players not only improving on the pitch, but also becoming better human beings off it as well. No kicking cats and raping children. I believe we don't just go out and buy the best talents without doing a proper check on their characters as well.

Klopp's team is gracious and magnanimous in defeat, but are also mentality monsters in not ever giving up and overcoming adversity to become winners. So we should never, ever rejoice when our enemies fall. 'Course we take the mickey too as its all part of football banter, but we also know how/when to draw the line and know our limits. We've gone through years of ordeal as a club since Hillsborough, and we're all learning from it - to be better human beings.

Klopp's brought class back to the club and frankly, i think that's why all the top clubs and managers respect and even fear us, cos we're different, and i wouldn't want any of it to change to be honest. I hope this DNA remains when Klopp, Edwards and co all leave one day.

So yeah, leave the silly mind games and backbiting to the mancs and the chavs. So what if Fergie was the king of mind games ? Look at the state of MU now. Look at the latter half of Mourinho's career. It's not ending too well is it ? These things come back full circle. Remember how fat frank once dissed Klopp on the sidelines, even though Klopp did not retaliate, but tried to calm him down instead ? Got sacked eventually

 

[juniormember]

I think Klopp, someone with a high IQ football brain, doesn’t think City are boring/robotic at all. And he’s not one to lie. So that kind of ends it there.

 

[Hansern]

I'd rather we do our talking on the pitch and just concentrate on winning our games. Keep the pressure up in that sense. I wouldnt want any ill advised comments to give City an edge going into the game at the Ethiad.

I dont particularly enjoy watching City play and their spending in setting up this team is probably a reason for that as well. But having the former Norwegian and Danish national manager explain in detail on how Guardiola has perfected a style where they use the vertical zones on a football pitch was really interesting.

 

[Markeh]

I hope the media do start something with City. For one reason only though, i do enjoy flustered, losing the plot Pep Fraudiola. When he gets like that it’s also money in the bank in terms of him fucking off elsewhere.

 

[Modo]

I think this thread is a bit blue moon-ish, to be honest.
Only one thing bothers me about City, it's the constant fouling every time they're under pressure.

 

[the count]

I think, both in the case of Man City and Liverpool, their football is a reflection of their manager.
Man City play brilliant football, intelligent, overpowering and ruthless but ultimately it is self absorbed and rather soulless.
Liverpool's football is less about control and more about creating chaos, exploiting weaknesses in the opposition by collective effort and individual brilliance.
The result is often an exciting absorbing spectacle.
That is why Pep Guardiola and Man City are admired while Jurgen and Liverpool are loved.

 

[MomoWASright]

Fuck city the cheating cunts.

 

[bluebell]

Ask Olli if Klopp plays mind games? It was Olli who said something like, Klopp suggested refs give too many penalties Man Utds way. We even called them penchester United. We don't call them that anymore.
Ask Fat Frank, or Sean Dych how Klopp fucked with their head.

 

[tombrown]

Who is Olli? Stan Laurel's mate?

 

[darkstarexodus]

Genuinely think the best mind game would be to send our supporters to blitzkrieg their bus every week, no matter who or where they're playing.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Completely disagree.

I'm gonna be controversial and say what's so different about Klopp is that he has really let his Christian values shone through, first as a human being, and secondly in running the club.

Sure that's controversial. I don't think "Christian" values come in to it at all. (Or any religion to be honest.) Good human being values, yes, "Christian" values, no.
History teaches us - over and over - that Christians do a lot of fucked up horrible shit as a core part of their value set.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Now why do you have to attack a religion when i did not ? i know this is 6CM but can we try to be civil for a change ? i assure you it wont hurt you.

 

[tomasjj]

I also found the references to Klopp being christian and underlying assumptions of christians versus muslims in the squad odd.
And you say, even muslims at the club like Klopp, what is the pretext for such a statement? Perhaps the world looks different from where you live?

I don't think religion should come into this at all - why not just talk about values?

 

[the count]

Now why do you have to attack a religion when i did not ? i know this is 6CM but can we try to be civil for a change ? i assure you it wont hurt you.

There wasn't really any need to bring religion into the initial post at all and to suggest that all those great traits that Jurgen possesses is down to his Christian values is disrespectful to anybody who have those traits while not being religious.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

oh ffs....i really cant be arsed...carry on

 

[juniormember]

There wasn't really any need to bring religion into the initial post at all and to suggest that all those great traits that Jurgen possesses is down to his Christian values is disrespectful to anybody who have those traits while not being religious.

Nor is it for proud Christian paedos.

 

[Fabio]

Jesus is a cunt and I'm glad he's dead

 

[darkstarexodus]

Jesus is a cunt and I'm glad he's dead

That escalated quickly.

 

[Fabio]

That escalated quickly.

Thought I'd just bring the argument to its natural conclusion.

 

[darkstarexodus]

Thought I'd just bring the argument to its natural conclusion.

You missed a beat:

[article]
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2][3] In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty.
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[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Jesus is a cunt and I'm glad he's dead

well you're in good company then. Saul of Tarsus not only wished Christ was dead but took a step further and went on a murdering spree, ended up writing the entire New Testament eventually. So you never know.

 

[MomoWASright]

Jesus is a cunt and I'm glad he's dead

His Ma was a lying slag too

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

oh ffs....i really cant be arsed...carry on

Honestly MBBR - you were the one who tried to imply that Christian values were inherently good, and that other values would not have brought the same success to Klopp. Me attacking that notion was necessary to shock you into understanding that your view is completely twisted. Christian values are not what causes something good.

 

[Athens]

It seems @rurikbird has started some mind games in here...

 

[rurikbird]

It seems @rurikbird has started some mind games in here...

To be honest, I mostly agree with @My_Blood_Bleeds_Red – I think Klopp's faith (specifically his Lutheran beliefs, rather than "generic" Christianity which can mean anything) does clearly come through a lot of the things he does; I would even argue that it includes the coaching and football style (I can write more in detail on it sometime later). But it's not the preachy or judgmental type; he kind of lives it rather than talks about it and that's more than fine with me – I think there is a way we could acknowledge this reality without getting into a religious/atheist flame war. We all know that some people are religious and good, others are religious and horrible and Klopp happens to belong to the former category – just let him be.

I do have to say though, Klopp is not a stranger to mind games and as a truly competitive person he absolutely hates losing and does what's necessary to win. I think back to that one press-conference when he brought up how many penalties United were getting (which was indeed getting ridiculous at that point) and then they barely got one for the rest of the season (and were super bitter about it). Words delivered in the right way and right moment can be as effective as performances on the pitch, especially if deep down people know what you say if true.

 

[Holle]

You missed a beat:

[article]
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2][3] In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty.
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That's not only true for online discussions but also for family parties round here.

Usually one of the elders then pops in with something along 'not everything was bad, you know'.

 

[The Nomad]

Jesus is a cunt and I'm glad he's dead

I have some bad news for you.. he rises soon. 2000+ years and that cunt still rises like the undertaker.

 

[StevieM]

I wonder if Jesus ever kicked a cat…