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Robertson did not take time, when he played his first game I am certain most of us were like "Fuck me !!! - why is that dunce Albert still first choice ...".
He hasn’t even physically adapted yet. I’m sure it was Klopp who said his calves were gone at half time the other night. He’s no doubt been training since then and today gets thrown in with a bunch of grossly underperforming team mates.
He was far from good today, but I’m not judging him until he’s had a chance to get to our fitness levels, train regularly with the team and play a few games with our top squad.
Those expecting him to slot right in and score or assist every game won’t be happy. It’s unrealistic.
He was far from good today, but I’m not judging him until he’s had a chance to get to our fitness levels, train regularly with the team and play a few games with our top squad.
Those expecting him to slot right in and score or assist every game won’t be happy. It’s unrealistic.
So why wasn't Robbo starting? If memory serves me right,it was close to December that he started to play regularly. This LFC team is probably the fittest team in the world.
He played regularly because Moreno got injured. Prior to that he played early on in the season in one or two games i think and did really well, putting in some amazing crosses.
i get the argument that the basics haven’t been perfect so far, but the “basics” for this team are very different to those for most other teams who play a simpler style of football with more defined roles. We are about as fluid as it gets up front and he needs to learn the system and style of play. He also needs to get used to his teams mates and their positioning and movement. Something I’m sure Klopp has alluded to before with regards to other players. And it’s even more difficult to do that when you’re not fit enough to keep up. it’s not as though he’s being told to just play up top and stay there are a striker. Or as a keeper or DM. Simpler roles, although not necessarily easier.
I’m not declaring my adoration for the guy, but from what I’ve seen, he’s got talent and should fit our way of play. I think they’ll come good with time, but who knows. The point is, at least let’s give the guy a chance.
"In his first season at Anfield Robertson had to bide his time, but he worked hard in training and took his chances when they came. A strong tackler who chased down every opponent could put in a decent cross, by the end of the campaign he had ousted Alberto Moreno from the left-back spot and scored his first goal for the club in the last league game of the season against Brighton. He began the 2018/19 season as first-choice left-back and when he joined up with the Scottish international squad at the start of September, was announced as the new national captain."
https://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/1318
The only reason he had to bide his time is that Klopp didn't think he was ready yet, for whatever reason.
I think there is some valid frustration here, people are keen to see him play like almost any new signing. When he does play and performs poorly he gets excused by people saying "hes on an intensive fitness program to build him up, hes not ready yet".
Which is fine, except if hes not fit enough, not integrated into our tactics, not on the same wave length as his team mates then he really shouldnt be starting. Cant have it both ways. The only players immune from criticism are the ones that dont play.
Which is fine, except if hes not fit enough, not integrated into our tactics, not on the same wave length as his team mates then he really shouldnt be starting. Cant have it both ways. The only players immune from criticism are the ones that dont play.
But he isn’t playing. He came on for Mané due to an injury in a game, and he’s played 2 cup games with mostly youth players to get up to speed with our style/tempo.
He’s not started any league games. Not really having it both ways at all.
I just don't understand some fans here. Firstly, he is new to the club and the league, secondly he cost us lesser than Robertson, thirdly not many players could do what Salah, Van Dijk, Alisson and Mane did, hitting the ground running (oops, aren't those in top 20 Europe best players?). So can we all give this boy a break? Cheap transfer, played damn bloody well against us, abundance of potential and have more time to bed in now that he had a few matches under his belt, to top it off, hard working fella who isn't shy of getting stuck in.
What more do you fellas want?
What more do you fellas want?
People want instant success. They are spoiled and doesn't understand what have happened over the last years. They just think we allways were this good and take for granted that any guy, even at 7M £ just can walk in and be unstoppable from the minute he enters the room.
We are playing a style that it obviously has taken quite long time to implement to the full. We have seen players far better than Minamino coming in and needed time. Even Mane took some time before he was at the level he is now, but people still expect every new face to shine straight away. It doens't work like that. And that is good news for us cause it means that our rivals have to work their arses off for quite a long time to try to copy what we are doing now.
We are playing a style that it obviously has taken quite long time to implement to the full. We have seen players far better than Minamino coming in and needed time. Even Mane took some time before he was at the level he is now, but people still expect every new face to shine straight away. It doens't work like that. And that is good news for us cause it means that our rivals have to work their arses off for quite a long time to try to copy what we are doing now.
Him to play well
Subjective, seeing the criticism so far. Playing well to some would probably sees him hitting hattricks every single match he starts.
That's stupid
I agree....
I don't get why he's winding people up already. He's been picked out of all the thousands of options by our extremely reliable skynet thing, and he's beginning the augmentation process that's worked for 90% of the squad, everyone from Robertson to Henderson. Chill out guys.
People love to moan about the new generation wanting instant gratification, yet still do shit like this... It fucking baffles me.
There's literally case histories of other players we've brought in to look at & see the evidence of why players can look poor when they first play, how intensive we train them to get them fit, how much time that plus adapting to our play can take, & how much better they look after it, yet after 1 and a half games still slag a new player off or begin to judge him.
It's complete fucking madness.
There's literally case histories of other players we've brought in to look at & see the evidence of why players can look poor when they first play, how intensive we train them to get them fit, how much time that plus adapting to our play can take, & how much better they look after it, yet after 1 and a half games still slag a new player off or begin to judge him.
It's complete fucking madness.
I don't really care about "instant gratification" or context, I just rate and comment on players as they perform in any given game, and if (when) they improve, they get scored and rated accordingly.
Surely you’ve learnt from the extreme (and I mean extreme) criticisms you’ve dished out to players like Firmino and Gini though, where it wasn’t about a single performance. You wanted them out.
We can criticise a player for not performing in a game, but why not criticise with the view and hope that the player will eventually integrate and start performing at a high level like 95% of Klopp signings have? Why are we so impatient in a period as great as this?
Both needed a critical assessment, and many of my issues with both players are still valid in many ways, although Wijnaldum has been far more consistent. But let's not forget how poor Firmino was in many games for the first three- four months of this season, before he remembered how to score again.
That said, Henderson's incredible form has only been since Fabinho was missing, he too had some really average games pre-Xmas.
But your general point is valid and fair.
Mostly because you lack the vision to tell if a player has the tools to be a good player for Klopp or not. You still slag off Firmino when he has contributed substantially to a win but hasn't scored, assisted or been magic on the ball enough for your viewing pleasure.
I supported the signing from day one but that isn't how I remember Robbo's first games. The fact that he couldn't initially establish himself ahead of a clearly failing Moreno shows he still had work to do to get to the level he needed to be at.
He played one or two good games, certainly, in fact I commented on at least one of them. But Moreno had actually started the season in somewhat decent form, so that was also part of the reason Robbo didn't start many games - although that gets conveniently forgotten in the "Klopp Masterplan Narrative" that claims he only started when he was deemed totally ready, and in tune with how Klopp wanted him to play.
The fact that his belated introduction to the team coincided with Moreno's injury is obviously just coincidence
But then the opposite extreme is far worse, mongs quacking on about how we should give Karius or Mignolet or Joe Allen or Balotelli or whoever "more time"
He's going to take time to settle in to the city, the squad, and to the tactics we play, if he's shit for a while he will get a pass as some of our current first eleven did.
If he is boss from the off like Salah then amazing, if he takes time like Fabinho/Ox/Robertson then that is fine as well, we paid fuck all for him.
If he is boss from the off like Salah then amazing, if he takes time like Fabinho/Ox/Robertson then that is fine as well, we paid fuck all for him.
Can’t deny that one. That really is the extreme opposite though!
You know what, sir. You are correct on that one. That is a nice low bar, so you've cleared it by a distance even.
**Except for maybe Allen who could have worked in a Klopp team just wasn't willing to fight for his place at a top club anymore.
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