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Other forum meltdown watch 24/25

I'm not one for viewing other clubs' forum page so apologise this comment isn't from one but found it hilarious nonetheless.

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Hehehe yep. I shared that one in a group chat. It's a beauty
 
He denied Salah scoring, though. The position of attacking players do not come into it AFAIK. It's about the position of defenders in relation to Salah taking the ball on and scoring.

The factors are

Distance to goal, direction of play, likelihood of control and defenders position. If that's correct then the defender could and should have seen red.
Yes, but denial of a goal-scoring opportunity is what clicks this all into motion, and if a goal is scored, all bets are off- rightly or wrongly, that has always been the case in these scenarios. Think about Garcia's ghost goal as that ultimate example. Cech smashes into Baros which would have been a red card and peno but Luis Garcia's goal saves that eventuality. This has always been the way.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQv7kQkUY0
 
Yes, but denial of a goal-scoring opportunity is what clicks this all into motion, and if a goal is scored, all bets are off- rightly or wrongly, that has always been the case in these scenarios. Think about Garcia's ghost goal as that ultimate example. Cech smashes into Baros which would have been a red card and peno but Luis Garcia's goal saves that eventuality. This has always been the way.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQv7kQkUY0


I get this but anywhere else on the pitch, the ref pulls it back after the advantage was given. But in this case we don't know what would have happened because the ref didn't even give the foul anyway.
 
I'm pretty certain that the ref didn't play an advantage, but rather saw it as a fair challenge, because had it been a foul in his mind, even after we'd scored on the advantage he played, he'd have come back to book the defender, right..?
 
I'm pretty certain that the ref didn't play an advantage, but rather saw it as a fair challenge, because had it been a foul in his mind, even after we'd scored on the advantage he played, he'd have come back to book the defender, right..?
Yes, he signalled no foul immediately before Nunez popped it in. The fucking idiot.
 
There's something in the water in London that makes their fans stupidly dramaticThe
Yes, but denial of a goal-scoring opportunity is what clicks this all into motion, and if a goal is scored, all bets are off- rightly or wrongly, that has always been the case in these scenarios. Think about Garcia's ghost goal as that ultimate example. Cech smashes into Baros which would have been a red card and peno but Luis Garcia's goal saves that eventuality. This has always been the way.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQv7kQkUY0


Oh yeah, I just meant had Nunez blazed it over the bar, which we all expected.😁
 
He denied Salah scoring, though. The position of attacking players do not come into it AFAIK. It's about the position of defenders in relation to Salah taking the ball on and scoring.

The factors are

Distance to goal, direction of play, likelihood of control and defenders position. If that's correct then the defender could and should have seen red.
Not sure about that. Virtually every commentator / pundit I saw after the game mentioned the double jeopardy, you haven't denied a goal-scoring opportunity if we scored from that play. So a yellow.
 
What was the match, two seasons ago, where Diaz scored a header from the edge of the area & the keeper wiped him out. He wasn't sent off, but most pundits then were saying he should have been ... I don't think anyone was using the double jeopardy argument then.

In my simple world, all fouls should be punished in the same way, regardless of what happens afterwards ...
 
What was the match, two seasons ago, where Diaz scored a header from the edge of the area & the keeper wiped him out. He wasn't sent off, but most pundits then were saying he should have been ... I don't think anyone was using the double jeopardy argument then.

In my simple world, all fouls should be punished in the same way, regardless of what happens afterwards ...
Dangerous play is judged differently though, so that example wouldn't apply to the Salah incident.
 
We were taking after the game about how there should be more (official) standard signals from refs as in cricket so you know what their decision is. In the case of advantage, refs usually hold both hands out, palms up in front of their hips to indicate they’re playing advantage. In this case, Coote crossed his hands over to indicate he thought there was no foul. So it was clear, in-play, what his decision was. Even disagreeing with his assessment, his judgment was at least clear. Both of these gestures are commonly used so players know where they stand.
Of course in this case there was the added jeopardy that VAR might alter the picture if we hadn’t scored, which is where the ghost goal incident is different because it would still have been the ref’s call. And I still think Chelsea got a huge advantage in that game from that goal. Down to 10 men, Cech off the pitch and a penalty likely scored they would not have still been in the tie until the final whistle.
 
What's crazy about the City meltdown is no one mentions its a conspiracy against them anymore.
Like it went from the world was against them to nothing.
Almost like an admittance that they've had their own way for years, with the 115 charges, the financial fuckery, Coote video etc
 
What's crazy about the City meltdown is no one mentions its a conspiracy against them anymore.
Like it went from the world was against them to nothing.
Almost like an admittance that they've had their own way for years, with the 115 charges, the financial fuckery, Coote video etc
I'd be amazed if Blue Moon isn't still full of conspiracy bollocks.
 
The Russian ref dude said he was relieved when his linesman said he thought it was over the line as he preferred games with eleven men on each side still on the pitch and he would have had to give a pen and a red if it hadn't gone in. That gets forgotten about a lot.
Is the Russian ref still alive or did Chelsea's then owner get his mates to visit him after the game ?
 
Tonight’s fumage is sponsored by Northern Monk’s Worlds away. A hazy ale which was recommended by the good Doc.

We look slow and tired and we're not even in December.

Squad needs a revamp.
We aren't very good any more are we
Is what it is

We've had a fucking great run
Fucking pathetic. The result is bad enough but the performance is what is concerning.
We Spurs’d it.
can we get top 4? i am not sure.
We got bummed by Spurs who will probably go on and get bummed by relegation fodder in turn. Serious investment needed in January
I think this is worse than a bad day at the office
A shameless spineless surrender of a 52 game unbeaten home run …. roll on Anfield next week!
Where did I leave that Chelsea shirt?
There are so many words that there are no words.
All on the club.

They brought in Phillips, nunes, savinho, kovacic, doku, gundogan.

Then have kept ageing players.

All not good enough.
Media.Black.Out.
Disgusting
During the Pep era, wins and losses for a team like ours, which usually has much more talent than our opposition, are down to the players rather than tactics, but given our less talented squad than in years past, this is just madness from Pep, at this point.

Why is Walker playing against the statistically best-pressing team in the league? He can’t pass the ball with his left foot and gives hospital pass after hospital pass with his right. It would be one thing if he could still run or defend, but he hasn't for two years. Why do blues think Pep benched him in the UCL final? He once again was at the crime scene for all their goals, certainly the second. He looked like he was running back in treacle in the TWEFLTH minute.

Why is Gundo still starting? He hasn’t performed well for us even once since his return(which I was against for the record). He can’t run anymore and is hesitant to get on the ball. Who cares if Nunes turns the ball over occasionally in the midfield? At least he can run and get us upfield from our half. I don’t understand why Pep won’t give him a few game runs.

This doesn’t even mention how out of wack we look off the ball on the whole. Teams have been playing through us even more quickly than they did in 17/18. I’ve mentioned this before, but we don’t have the right squad to compensate for Haaland up top. He’s not built to press like a Gabriel Jesus/Alvarez, and we don’t have the legs/physicality behind him. If he’s not his usual clinical self, he becomes a liability.

This is Pep’s worst squad, partly due to him(not allowing a homegrown Palmer to go on loan and okaying the selling of other now prominent, instrumental players). Also, the injury to Bobb can’t be overstated. He’s the real deal and is/was a significant loss. I’d rest him the rest of the season, so he’s 100% for years forward. We need substantial investment, which I wonder is even in question. Even if we beat the majority of charges, I struggle to think we won’t be handed a considerable fine.

A downseason is expected after years of dominance, but we’re worryingly crap. A top-four fight on our hands is the absolute reality.
Dog shit.

Nothing much else to say
Typical “spursy”
Love this forum. Absolute wet lettuces who know nothing other than being spoilt
I don’t even think Spurs played “that” well. That is how appalling “that” was.
God help us against Liverpool that's all.
The league is gone anyway

That's not being dramatic. Usually we can catch up but not with this team. The likes of Bernado and Gundo look on the slide and offer nothing, Walker too. They need to be moved on.

KDB isn't likely to stay consistently fit. Then add in the fact we're missing the best player in the world.

Even when the likes of Foden find some form, its not gonna be enough. Too many holes in the team.
No leaders, no fight. It is what it is. We place decent but are terrible in both boxes. Front runners. Once behind, play like ass.
Gundo, Bernardo and Rico were all invisible once again. Hard to put into words how bad our midfield has been this season
Something isn't right, it's not injuries, the performances and decision making is a joke.

Two weeks to look in the mirror after four straight losses and that's what they come out and do...
We need a lot of transfers. Right back, left back, two strikers, central midfielder defensive midfielder and an attacking midfielder.. it's going to be one hell of a January transfer window
Judging by the way we are playing at the moment, I would gladly take just being top 4 come May.
Haaland can’t miss that many chances.

Don’t wanna see Kyle walker play another game.

What does Bernardo do?

Gundo’s legs have gone.

McAtee should be putting in a transfer request in Jan.
Play some kids & play a tight system pep for the rest of the season

I don’t want to see any of these start any more games
Gundy
Rico
Stones
Walker
Bernie
Savi

I’d even drop Haaland & play extra midfielder right now.

We are getting worse every game
Firstly you cannot make that many chances and not convert a single one.

Secondly there is an individual and collective lack of fitness and desire. Some of them look disinterested and too accepting of defeat.

Third Gundog is absolutely finished. He can’t even run.

We need a refresh and a rebuild.
Disgusting
Taxi for Walker and a few others
Sadest game to watch for months.

The team spirit just isn't there at the moment.
Absolute Carrot Shit

Not surprised as is tradition to get beat by a shite Spurs team (who got beat by Ipswich)

Couldn’t cross, take corners, shoot, tackle, subs too late etc….

As i said before, the Silver lining though blues, get some extra money for Christmas - get your money on Fulham to beat Spurs next week
Easy money
Happy fucking Christmas
Absolutely pathetic.
The worry is that isn’t as bad as it’s going to get.
Walker, Stones and Gundogan are done.

They've aged or can't stay fit.
No rodri is no excuse. Somethimg deep rooted behind the scenes that we dont know cos the loss off 1 player wouldnt make us lose 5 on the spin
We're poor in transition. We lack physicality in midfield. Why not pick the feeblest midfield possible and then keep them on the pitch for 74 fucking minutes
The board for me...

Stop penny pinching and spend some money for fucks sake.

How can we win so much over the years , win so much prize money, ect.. and don't make statement signings..

Charges or not.. the team and the game goes on in the meantime..
Losing , is what it is

Its some of the attitude or lack of it thats concerning

A team of 0 leaders .... not one of them
Most of us thought that this was going to be the fixture that turned it around. Realisation is this team has past its sell by date. Players haven’t been adequately replaced, but we’ve also been unfortunate that the best player in the world, who happens to be the heart beat of our team, is out for the season. Walker, Stones, Gundo and Kev have been at the centre of our success, but all four of them are either suspect to injury or clearly past their best. What a job Viana has got. I don’t particularly think it’s a hard job, it’s an exciting one.
Shit upfront, shit in the middle and shit defence. Just a load of shit.
Not felt this sad since the Wigan cup final. Fuck me gents.
Look at their fourth goal again.

We were sleepwalking.
How many will liverpool put past us
I'm worried.....very worried.

Might go for a long walk with the dogs next Sunday!
Reminder spurs were missing their first choice centre backs. We can’t use injuries as an excuse for that
Just needs Pep now to tell us all he was so happy and the boys played well, fucking shit weekend
Commentators kept saying who saw that coming. Well I did and especially once saw the midfield set up. So many terrible performances against a team with pace. Walker, gundog, Bernie, savinho, gvardiol, all terrible. A team can carry one passenger maybe but not five. I can’t remember a time when we were this brittle. Need to go back to Alan Ball era when we were this easy to beat.
I’m really pleased Pep is staying on because we need a massive rebuild as currently this team looks spent and we got away with it in the early part of the season.
There’s 6/7 players here who literally shouldn’t be playing anymore. We have to trust the kids they can’t be any fucking worse
Bad recruitment

Injury prone and old players in crucial areas for Peps tactics

No threat if Haaland doesn’t play at his best

Midfield slow and lethargic

No solution to counter attacks.

Rodri is the most vital part of the system , without him the system doesn’t work
 
All the gloom about Liverpool next week is so reminiscent of many years of redcafe angst which almost never translates.

We're getting bummed next week, start accepting that
 
How can a team be so dependent on one player. Is Rodri so amazing?
It’s been coming. Myself (and others) could see it. Like us over Klopp’s final few seasons they’ve let some players get too old and those who they’ve brought in aren’t of the quality needed to be challengers.
 
How can a team be so dependent on one player. Is Rodri so amazing?

No Dias, No Rodri and a KDB who's ghosting in the background being left on the bench most games. That's your 3 best players right there. Them letting go Alvaraz and not replacing was a bit strange too......other than Haaland there's no one there getting goals.

You saw us in 09 after Xabi and Nando left, then again when Suarez left.
 
How can a team be so dependent on one player. Is Rodri so amazing?

It’s been both Rodri & KDB out tbf. But who knows what is going wrong. I never watch their games unless it’s against us so can’t offer much comment.
 
How can a team be so dependent on one player. Is Rodri so amazing?
I'm sure you know it's not just one player.

For the record they were able to buy multiple 'best of' players per position before restrictions but as the rules have tightened over time they have had to join in the same roulette every other club has had to suffer. Their recent signings have been average which is making them mortal. They are a million miles away from being us in the 99/00 or united for the last 10 years, but they are mortal
 
I'm sure you know it's not just one player.

For the record they were able to buy multiple 'best of' players per position before restrictions but as the rules have tightened over time they have had to join in the same roulette every other club has had to suffer. Their recent signings have been average which is making them mortal. They are a million miles away from being us in the 99/00 or united for the last 10 years, but they are mortal
yea exactly this, they used to take so many shots at filling a position and just move the rejects on quickly. fullback used to be a joke.

tons of the players guardiola has built this team around were transfer record level prices at the time but the figures have aged well to disguise this a little.

gutted for them
 
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