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[quote author=Fox link=topic=48613.msg1479195#msg1479195 date=1328700752]
I think this guy was just on Talksport apologising, sure it was him
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Probably a MacKenzie apology, i.e.one he'll withdraw later.
I think this guy was just on Talksport apologising, sure it was him
donkey
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Probably a MacKenzie apology, i.e.one he'll withdraw later.
Oh it seems he has a long history of it against Liverpool:
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/02/heysel-a-line-crossed/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=heysel-a-line-crossed expanded without pics below
HEYSEL: A LINE CROSSED
by Andy Heaton // 8 February 2012 // 16 Comments
The events of May 29th 1985 are a permanent stain on Liverpool Football Club, a stain that Liverpool Football Club took far too long to take responsibility for.
The clubs immediate response to the disaster was ignominious, rushing to shift the blame and limit damage to the club, it was a move that would ultimately do far more harm than good and remains a cloud of over those that presided over the contemptuous finger pointing.
Belatedly, the club took steps to recognise their culpability and have made multiple conciliatory gestures, hosting two games at the club Academy between the two sets of fans, one on the day of the Champions League quarter final in 2005 and one five years later on the 25th anniversary of the disaster, a week in which they unveiled a permanent memorial at Anfield.
In the aftermath of the disaster, fourteen people were extradited, tried and convicted of involuntary manslaughter in September 1987.
It is our shame, we recognise and have taken responsibility for it, we cannot undo the past, we can only learn from it and apologise for it.
Unfortunately, there are those that seek to exploit the deaths of 39 Juventus fans to attack Liverpool Football Club and its supporters, using the death of fellow football fans as currency in a ‘who can act the biggest cunt’ competition.
Some unbelievably, have even sought financial gain, selling Baby-Gro’s referencing the disaster, only ceasing when the online company who produced the garments were alerted and ceased production for the website in question.
Unfortunately, the internet truly is a global village, one with a disproportionate amount of idiots, all of whom seem to have a Twitter account.
That isn’t to say the benefits of social media don’t far outweigh the negatives, and it can only be expected that in age when even a cat has a twitter account, the demographic of people who use it broadly represents society as a whole, ie, you’re going to get a few dickheads.
As such, you would expect these dickheads, knowing they have the protection of faceless anonymity behind the safety of a keyboard, to act, well, like dickheads, lets, for sake of argument, call them the ‘dickhead brigade’.
The raison d’etre of the ‘dickhead brigade’ is to bait, to get a reaction by any means possible, whether its Heysel or Hillsborough, anything is fair game, we have our fair share too, who don’t think twice about mocking the Munich air disaster.
It is unpalatable but it is to be expected and generally ignored, I think the posh word for it is deindividuation, you expect it that from faceless shithouses.
You wouldn’t expect it from one of the most respected football writers in the country – until last night.
Step forward Mr Patrick Barclay.
Reacting to, by twitter standards, a fairly tame jibe about working for News International, Barclay, with his 40 years journalistic experience responded in a manner normally exhibited by those he has no doubt pontificated over as scum who blight the game by playing the Heysel card.
As he expected and probably hoped, Barclay got a reaction before predictably accusing those reacting of ‘twisting his words’ but electing not to explain how the above could be twisted to sound any worse than it appears.
No doubt Barclay will again play the victim and flounce off Twitter as he has done previously, blaming those nasty Liverpool fans instead of taking responsibility for what he has published.
Barclay’s latter ridiculous claim that what he said was fair comment and that every Liverpool fan should feel responsible for Heysel was Basil Fawltyesque in it’s crassness, I was four years old at the time, so presumably, using Paddy’s logic, I’m somehow culpable and so, dear reader, are you.
Notwithstanding the irresponsibility of his comments, coming off the back of months of faux-indignation from her majesty’s finest over the Suarez affair and in the week that Liverpool travel to Old Trafford, one could be forgiven for thinking that Mr Barclay has an axe to grind with Liverpool, or in this case, two.
The first, most obvious issue is one with the Liverpool fan base in general, whom he’s never forgiven for apparently hounding his mate Roy Hodgson out of a job, accusing us of viewing Hodgson as an ‘infidel’ in a spiteful attack on Dalglish after Kenny had pulled Liverpool back from the brink.
A selection of headlines from articles written by Patrick Barclay
Glibly comparing the appointment as Keeganesque, Paddy has never been shy to stick the knife in at any given opportunity, desperate to defend his and many of his peers choice for the office of Liverpool managers tenure at Anfield.
There is no denying that Hodgson was an obvious bad fit, a manager elected by an incompetent MD pandering to the national media, desperate to get the opinion formers, of which Paddy regards himself as, onside in his brave new vision for Liverpool, let courageously by Christian Purslow.
There is also no denying that a lot of the ‘clued up’ fan base knew what Hodgson would bring and as a result never warmed to him, but that wasn’t why he failed, he failed on the pitch with his side playing the most insipid, dire, spineless football seen for a many a year at Anfield.
But rather acknowledge that he got it wrong, that his mate was out of his depth, the embittered Barclay stuck to his guns, and as evidenced by his recent LES column, still believes that somehow it was out fault we were flirting with relegation and had been knocked out of the cup by Northampton Town.
Although it is possible that Mr Barclay’s ire is much more base, having been recently ‘mutually consented’ from the post of Chief Football Commentator by The Times, he left a paper which has been staunch in its support of Hodgson’s successor, indeed, it was The Times that was the first paper to call for the appointment of Dalglish ahead of the now manager of West Bromwich Albion.
Another Barclay headline, this time attacking Dalglish
And another
Regardless of whether it’s a problem with Liverpool supporters, or a bitter swipe at an ex-employer, or a combination of both, it is absolutely no excuse for using the Heysel Stadium disaster, whether privately or publicly, as capital to score points.
Maybe the dislike for Liverpool goes back a lot further and is a lot darker and deep-seated, this is after all, the same journalist who, when commenting on Jimmy McGoverns drama/documentary once wrote:
WHAT HAS been inadequately addressed by the film, the documentaries, the enquiries, was that five minutes before the disaster, the crowd control was about combating hooliganism.
Suddenly it was about crowd protection. Although there was appalling incompetence by the police, in a sense those who were bereaved, were bereaved by hooligans.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hillsborough-306pm-15-april-1989-1087223.html
He has also previously, in the Times, wrote a column on the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough crudely putting the Heysel and Hillsborough disasters in the same bracket, calling for ‘Justice for the 135?, what particular justice he wanted was never mentioned, despite lazily bracketing to two darkest days in our history together with little explanation.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/columnists/patrickbarclay/article1841098.ece
You would hope that the above two excerpts from previous articles is nothing more than ill-informed, uneducated, muddied thinking, because however bitter Mr Barclay may be about us or his previous employer, the alternative, for a man of such obvious intelligence to have such views about Hillsborough and hooliganism, despite all the education and progress made over the last few years, isn’t worth thinking about.
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/02/heysel-a-line-crossed/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=heysel-a-line-crossed expanded without pics below
HEYSEL: A LINE CROSSED
by Andy Heaton // 8 February 2012 // 16 Comments
The events of May 29th 1985 are a permanent stain on Liverpool Football Club, a stain that Liverpool Football Club took far too long to take responsibility for.
The clubs immediate response to the disaster was ignominious, rushing to shift the blame and limit damage to the club, it was a move that would ultimately do far more harm than good and remains a cloud of over those that presided over the contemptuous finger pointing.
Belatedly, the club took steps to recognise their culpability and have made multiple conciliatory gestures, hosting two games at the club Academy between the two sets of fans, one on the day of the Champions League quarter final in 2005 and one five years later on the 25th anniversary of the disaster, a week in which they unveiled a permanent memorial at Anfield.
In the aftermath of the disaster, fourteen people were extradited, tried and convicted of involuntary manslaughter in September 1987.
It is our shame, we recognise and have taken responsibility for it, we cannot undo the past, we can only learn from it and apologise for it.
Unfortunately, there are those that seek to exploit the deaths of 39 Juventus fans to attack Liverpool Football Club and its supporters, using the death of fellow football fans as currency in a ‘who can act the biggest cunt’ competition.
Some unbelievably, have even sought financial gain, selling Baby-Gro’s referencing the disaster, only ceasing when the online company who produced the garments were alerted and ceased production for the website in question.
Unfortunately, the internet truly is a global village, one with a disproportionate amount of idiots, all of whom seem to have a Twitter account.
That isn’t to say the benefits of social media don’t far outweigh the negatives, and it can only be expected that in age when even a cat has a twitter account, the demographic of people who use it broadly represents society as a whole, ie, you’re going to get a few dickheads.
As such, you would expect these dickheads, knowing they have the protection of faceless anonymity behind the safety of a keyboard, to act, well, like dickheads, lets, for sake of argument, call them the ‘dickhead brigade’.
The raison d’etre of the ‘dickhead brigade’ is to bait, to get a reaction by any means possible, whether its Heysel or Hillsborough, anything is fair game, we have our fair share too, who don’t think twice about mocking the Munich air disaster.
It is unpalatable but it is to be expected and generally ignored, I think the posh word for it is deindividuation, you expect it that from faceless shithouses.
You wouldn’t expect it from one of the most respected football writers in the country – until last night.
Step forward Mr Patrick Barclay.
Reacting to, by twitter standards, a fairly tame jibe about working for News International, Barclay, with his 40 years journalistic experience responded in a manner normally exhibited by those he has no doubt pontificated over as scum who blight the game by playing the Heysel card.
As he expected and probably hoped, Barclay got a reaction before predictably accusing those reacting of ‘twisting his words’ but electing not to explain how the above could be twisted to sound any worse than it appears.
No doubt Barclay will again play the victim and flounce off Twitter as he has done previously, blaming those nasty Liverpool fans instead of taking responsibility for what he has published.
Barclay’s latter ridiculous claim that what he said was fair comment and that every Liverpool fan should feel responsible for Heysel was Basil Fawltyesque in it’s crassness, I was four years old at the time, so presumably, using Paddy’s logic, I’m somehow culpable and so, dear reader, are you.
Notwithstanding the irresponsibility of his comments, coming off the back of months of faux-indignation from her majesty’s finest over the Suarez affair and in the week that Liverpool travel to Old Trafford, one could be forgiven for thinking that Mr Barclay has an axe to grind with Liverpool, or in this case, two.
The first, most obvious issue is one with the Liverpool fan base in general, whom he’s never forgiven for apparently hounding his mate Roy Hodgson out of a job, accusing us of viewing Hodgson as an ‘infidel’ in a spiteful attack on Dalglish after Kenny had pulled Liverpool back from the brink.
A selection of headlines from articles written by Patrick Barclay
Glibly comparing the appointment as Keeganesque, Paddy has never been shy to stick the knife in at any given opportunity, desperate to defend his and many of his peers choice for the office of Liverpool managers tenure at Anfield.
There is no denying that Hodgson was an obvious bad fit, a manager elected by an incompetent MD pandering to the national media, desperate to get the opinion formers, of which Paddy regards himself as, onside in his brave new vision for Liverpool, let courageously by Christian Purslow.
There is also no denying that a lot of the ‘clued up’ fan base knew what Hodgson would bring and as a result never warmed to him, but that wasn’t why he failed, he failed on the pitch with his side playing the most insipid, dire, spineless football seen for a many a year at Anfield.
But rather acknowledge that he got it wrong, that his mate was out of his depth, the embittered Barclay stuck to his guns, and as evidenced by his recent LES column, still believes that somehow it was out fault we were flirting with relegation and had been knocked out of the cup by Northampton Town.
Although it is possible that Mr Barclay’s ire is much more base, having been recently ‘mutually consented’ from the post of Chief Football Commentator by The Times, he left a paper which has been staunch in its support of Hodgson’s successor, indeed, it was The Times that was the first paper to call for the appointment of Dalglish ahead of the now manager of West Bromwich Albion.
Another Barclay headline, this time attacking Dalglish
And another
Regardless of whether it’s a problem with Liverpool supporters, or a bitter swipe at an ex-employer, or a combination of both, it is absolutely no excuse for using the Heysel Stadium disaster, whether privately or publicly, as capital to score points.
Maybe the dislike for Liverpool goes back a lot further and is a lot darker and deep-seated, this is after all, the same journalist who, when commenting on Jimmy McGoverns drama/documentary once wrote:
WHAT HAS been inadequately addressed by the film, the documentaries, the enquiries, was that five minutes before the disaster, the crowd control was about combating hooliganism.
Suddenly it was about crowd protection. Although there was appalling incompetence by the police, in a sense those who were bereaved, were bereaved by hooligans.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hillsborough-306pm-15-april-1989-1087223.html
He has also previously, in the Times, wrote a column on the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough crudely putting the Heysel and Hillsborough disasters in the same bracket, calling for ‘Justice for the 135?, what particular justice he wanted was never mentioned, despite lazily bracketing to two darkest days in our history together with little explanation.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/columnists/patrickbarclay/article1841098.ece
You would hope that the above two excerpts from previous articles is nothing more than ill-informed, uneducated, muddied thinking, because however bitter Mr Barclay may be about us or his previous employer, the alternative, for a man of such obvious intelligence to have such views about Hillsborough and hooliganism, despite all the education and progress made over the last few years, isn’t worth thinking about.
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[quote author=Fox link=topic=48613.msg1479195#msg1479195 date=1328700752]
I think this guy was just on Talksport apologising, sure it was him
donkey
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Hello Fox !
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Hi there Sunny, hope all is well in your world
[quote author=Fox link=topic=48613.msg1479195#msg1479195 date=1328700752]
I think this guy was just on Talksport apologising, sure it was him
donkey
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Hello Fox !
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Hi there Sunny, hope all is well in your world
A senior journalist who's so far up his own @rse, he spends weekends wallpapering his rectum.
[quote author=themn link=topic=48613.msg1479642#msg1479642 date=1328741742]
From: @OliverKayTimes
Sent: 8 Feb 2012 15:57
RT @paddybarclay: Sorry that some people found my reply yesterday inappropriate - certainly meant to cause no offence.
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So sorry he tweeted numerous times "defending" his position in that oh so sanctimonious style of his.
From: @OliverKayTimes
Sent: 8 Feb 2012 15:57
RT @paddybarclay: Sorry that some people found my reply yesterday inappropriate - certainly meant to cause no offence.
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So sorry he tweeted numerous times "defending" his position in that oh so sanctimonious style of his.
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He's a fucking prick.
[quote author=themn link=topic=48613.msg1479642#msg1479642 date=1328741742]
From: @OliverKayTimes
Sent: 8 Feb 2012 15:57
RT @paddybarclay: Sorry that some people found my reply yesterday inappropriate - certainly meant to cause no offence.
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'Meant to cause no offence'? No wonder he's been sacked a few times if that's how he writes these days! And how on earth does he hope to claim that he hadn't meant to cause offence?
From: @OliverKayTimes
Sent: 8 Feb 2012 15:57
RT @paddybarclay: Sorry that some people found my reply yesterday inappropriate - certainly meant to cause no offence.
[/quote]
'Meant to cause no offence'? No wonder he's been sacked a few times if that's how he writes these days! And how on earth does he hope to claim that he hadn't meant to cause offence?
I'm starting to get over the anger I feel when I read the shite written by the likes of Holt, Barclay and Powar. In fact, it's helping to reignite my passion for my club. Scousers, the city and Liverpool Football Club and its supporters thrive when attacked on all fronts, politically and journalistic. Fuck you, we'll look after ourselves and mock the haters.
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