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Manager Paul Ince leaves Notts County

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Manager Paul Ince leaves Notts County


Paul Ince Ince's successor will become County's sixth manager in 18 months

Notts County manager Paul Ince has left the club by mutual consent after just over five months in charge.

Ince, 43, only took over in October but the Magpies have lost five games in a row and are only two places above the League One relegation zone.

Head scout Carl Heggs will take charge for Tuesday's game with Rochdale.

Notts chairman Ray Trew told the club website: "It was with a heavy heart that the board called a meeting in the aftermath of our defeat by Oldham."

For former England midfielder Ince, the decision comes as a further blow to his managerial career.

He led Macclesfield to survival from relegation to the Conference against the odds in 2006/07, before taking MK Dons up to League One and to Johnstone's Paint Trophy success the following season.

He left for Blackburn in the Premier League but was sacked after just 21 games.

He then had a second unremarkable spell at MK Dons and now leaves County having won 10 of his 29 games in charge.

The departure means none of County's last five managers have lasted six months.

Trew continued: "The recent run of results, which saw us win just once in March, meant that we were all in agreement that we had to address the situation.

"When we sat down to discuss the matter with Paul, it became clear that we were in agreement that a parting of the ways would be the best way forwards for all parties.

"I would like to place on record my thanks to Paul for his effort and commitment during his time at Meadow Lane.

"I am certain that, under other circumstances, things could have been very different, but we believe that this decision is in the best interests of both Paul and the club."

His exit comes just days after Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor called on black British managerial hopefuls to be interviewed for vacant posts as of right to tackle discrimination.

Ince's exit leaves Charlton boss Chris Powell as the only black manager among the 92 clubs in English league football.
 
i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
 
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i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
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Isn't it a bit weird though that someone like Keane keeps getting job offers despite failing time and time again.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44805.msg1309853#msg1309853 date=1301862846]
i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
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Basically.
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44805.msg1309853#msg1309853 date=1301862846]
i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
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Isn't it a bit weird though that someone like Keane keeps getting job offers despite failing time and time again.

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No, not really. He brings a level of PR and/or, well, Hollywood if you will that other League managers cannot.
I agree he is not a good manager but I can definitely see why a chairman might offer Keane a gig.
 
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i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
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Isn't it a bit weird though that someone like Keane keeps getting job offers despite failing time and time again.

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No, not really. He brings a level of PR and/or, well, Hollywood if you will that other League managers cannot.
I agree he is not a good manager but I can definitely see why a chairman might offer Keane a gig.
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That just sound weird, Hollywood?
Why not just bring on Al Pacino as manager and have him do "Any Given Sunday" speeches to his players?
I'll admit that Keane has the looks of a good manager. The way he played, his off-field rants etc. But in the end isn't it the results that count?
 
Results are important, but people want a charismatic manager. Keane guarantees passion from players and fans

Shame he's tactically inept and can't scout for shit
 
Ince will be ok.

Moratti sees him "like a son" and "loves him".

Don't be surprised when The Guv'nor rocks up as Inter boss.
 
Just to clarify I think Ince is a terrible manager.
Strange thing is, I can barely name a black English former player that could be any better.
The jury is still out on Powell.

A quick run down of the list:

Les Ferdinand, no.
Andy Cole, no.
Trevor Sinclair, no.
Paul Parker, hell no.
Carlton Palmer, Oh God no.
Ian Wright, maybe
John Fashanu, nope.
John Barnes, failed twice not sure. Might be a bit biased.
Stan the man, fuck no.
Michael Thomas, no. (Seen his experts analysis on TV)
Garth Crooks, oh come on...
Des Walker, hard tackling brainless defender, no way.
David James, when has a keeper been a decent manager, no really I'm asking?
It's looking quite bleak tbh.

About to retire:

Emile Heskey, no.
Ledley King, maybe.
Rio Ferdinand, possibly yes.
 
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Just to clarify I think Ince is a terrible manager.
Strange thing is, I can barely name a black English former player that could be any better.
The jury is still out on Powell.

A quick run down of the list:

Les Ferdinand, no.
Andy Cole, no.
Trevor Sinclair, no.
Paul Parker, hell no.
Carlton Palmer, Oh God no.
Ian Wright, maybe
John Fashanu, nope.
John Barnes, failed twice not sure. Might be a bit biased.
Stan the man, fuck no.
Michael Thomas, no. (Seen his experts analysis on TV)
Garth Crooks, oh come on...
Des Walker, hard tackling brainless defender, no way.
David James, when has a keeper been a decent manager, no really I'm asking?
It's looking quite bleak tbh.

About to retire:

Emile Heskey, no.
Ledley King, maybe.
Rio Ferdinand, possibly yes.

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There aren't all that many white former English players that will make good managers either.
 
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Rio as a possible?

You just shit your cacks.
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Dont underestimate him. He's a very intelligent footballer. At least on the pitch.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44805.msg1309853#msg1309853 date=1301862846]
i don't see how the last part is relevant to the story. in my mind that bit kind of deserves expansion. How will they hope to interview more black managers? IF they aren't considered good enough they won't get the interview. Race (hopefully) doesn't come in to it
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The last part of the article is unnecessary isn't it? He's gone because the results weren't good enough and they're faced with the real possibility of relegation.

Are they really suggesting that County's board should have taken into consideration that Ince was only one of two black managers in the whole league?
 
Modo, as Rosco points out there are as many white players past & present who are equally unsuitable to management.

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.

Personally I think the FA coaching badge system is ridiculous, Shanks, Clough, Stein, Paisley et al never had any, or needed any, coaching on management but at present it is necessary to go through the process and at present most black players aren't as likely to do this as white players.
 
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Modo, as Rosco points out there are as many white players past & present who are equally unsuitable to management.

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.

Personally I think the FA coaching badge system is ridiculous, Shanks, Clough, Stein, Paisley et al never had any, or needed any, coaching on management but at present it is necessary to go through the process and at present most black players aren't as likely to do this as white players.


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true. but I never said anything about discrimination.
 
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=44805.msg1309942#msg1309942 date=1301901805]
Modo, as Rosco points out there are as many white players past & present who are equally unsuitable to management.

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.

Personally I think the FA coaching badge system is ridiculous, Shanks, Clough, Stein, Paisley et al never had any, or needed any, coaching on management but at present it is necessary to go through the process and at present most black players aren't as likely to do this as white players.


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true. but I never said anything about discrimination.
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No but you listed a load of black guys who you thought wouldn't make good managers and I pointed out that you could make a similar list of white players and therefore their colour wasn't an issue.
 
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=44805.msg1309942#msg1309942 date=1301901805]
Modo, as Rosco points out there are as many white players past & present who are equally unsuitable to management.

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.

Personally I think the FA coaching badge system is ridiculous, Shanks, Clough, Stein, Paisley et al never had any, or needed any, coaching on management but at present it is necessary to go through the process and at present most black players aren't as likely to do this as white players.


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true. but I never said anything about discrimination.
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No but you listed a load of black guys who you thought wouldn't make good managers and I pointed out that you could make a similar list of white players and therefore their colour wasn't an issue.


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Tbf he was listing the obvious candidates. He could have listed a load of shite white managers, but he probably could have listed a load of brilliant ones too. The point was that there aren't any out there. Discrimination doesn't come into it.

What they should be doing is promoting the service of coaching badges, etc. to encourage more black players to enter management.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=44805.msg1309942#msg1309942 date=1301901805]

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.


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I heard yesterday that 25% of the people doing this course are black.
 
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I heard yesterday that 25% of the people doing this course are black.
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So are there currently a load of suitable black managers out there being discriminated against?
 
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=44805.msg1309942#msg1309942 date=1301901805]

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.


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I heard yesterday that 25% of the people doing this course are black.
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Yeah but how many of them are ex-professionals? Most managers that come into the game have previously played for a team in the top 4 divisions, the statistic I'd like to know is what is the ratio between white ex-professional footballers and black ex-professional footballers.
 
The guardian ran an article about some shite institute for pc'ness in staffordshire or somewhere demanding that positive discrimination was introduced into the sport.

It's clearly not discrimination. The premier league has probably highlighted black footballers as well as if not more so than any other professional sports league.
 
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44805.msg1309958#msg1309958 date=1301903980]
I heard yesterday that 25% of the people doing this course are black.
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So are there currently a load of suitable black managers out there being discriminated against?
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No idea Keni.

I was listening to talksport and they were having this as one of their main topics. It does seem a high % compared to the low number of Black managers in the game. Saying that i can't think of too many ex black players who i think would make good managers. Maybe Marcel Desaillly or Seedorf?
 
What about encouraging asians?

England has a large asian community, very few asian players and I'd imagine no managers.
 
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Modo, as Rosco points out there are as many white players past & present who are equally unsuitable to management.

I don't think there is any issue of discrimination amongst teams regarding appointing black managers it's just that very few black players seem to bother taking their FA coaching badges therefore ruling themselves out of contention.

Personally I think the FA coaching badge system is ridiculous, Shanks, Clough, Stein, Paisley et al never had any, or needed any, coaching on management but at present it is necessary to go through the process and at present most black players aren't as likely to do this as white players.


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true. but I never said anything about discrimination.
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No but you listed a load of black guys who you thought wouldn't make good managers and I pointed out that you could make a similar list of white players and therefore their colour wasn't an issue.


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Tbf he was listing the obvious candidates. He could have listed a load of shite white managers, but he probably could have listed a load of brilliant ones too. The point was that there aren't any out there. Discrimination doesn't come into it.

What they should be doing is promoting the service of coaching badges, etc. to encourage more black players to enter management.
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Like Marky said.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44805.msg1309968#msg1309968 date=1301904997]
What about encouraging asians?

England has a large asian community, very few asian players and I'd imagine no managers.
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TBF there's barely any asians footballers in the top divisions except Chopra.
Or Zesh Rehman.
 
The problem in England, regardless of skin colour, is that becoming a footballer is practically restricted to those who forgo education. How many English internationals hold a third level degree?

It's rare that you get someone with the mental ability for management without a half decent education.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44805.msg1309871#msg1309871 date=1301865353]
Just to clarify I think Ince is a terrible manager.
Strange thing is, I can barely name a black English former player that could be any better.
The jury is still out on Powell.

A quick run down of the list:

Les Ferdinand, no.
Andy Cole, no.
Trevor Sinclair, no.
Paul Parker, hell no.
Carlton Palmer, Oh God no.
Ian Wright, maybe
John Fashanu, nope.
John Barnes, failed twice not sure. Might be a bit biased.
Stan the man, fuck no.
Michael Thomas, no. (Seen his experts analysis on TV)
Garth Crooks, oh come on...
Des Walker, hard tackling brainless defender, no way.
David James, when has a keeper been a decent manager, no really I'm asking?
It's looking quite bleak tbh.

About to retire:

Emile Heskey, no.
Ledley King, maybe.
Rio Ferdinand, possibly yes.

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Chris Hughton ?
 
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