So Inter going to shits isnt a good example of his high spending short term success strategy then?
He left them with an ageing squad and they havent recovered since.
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So Inter going to shits isnt a good example of his high spending short term success strategy then?
He left them with an ageing squad and they havent recovered since.
At the end it always goes tits up, but his first 2 seasons is what we need to be majorly worried about as he always wins the title within 2 seasons.
Oh, right, so when he wins the title "it's par for the course" and then when the same teams fail to replicate that success, it's "all because Mourinho left them with an ageing team"
So strange that 6 months after winning the Scudetto, Benitez took over that team and they'd aged like a sudden outbreak of Progeria, and immediately collapsed.
"Haven't recovered since" what fucking embarrassing, risible bollocks. So it's STILL his fault that Inter haven't won a title for 5 years?
Like I say its whole new ball game, Mourinho doesn't do re-building jobs.. Like you say look how Inter Milan collapsed when he left, look at Chelsea last season, look at Porto after he left..
He is coming into a team that requires Major Surgery in terms of rebuilding, and he doesn't promote youngsters I don't think it will turn out at all well..
I think I'd quite enjoy a title within two seasons, regardless of if it went "tits up" afterwards.
Certainly preferable to "nearly" (ie not) winning the title, and it then going tits up.
And as for his short tenures, I'd love someone to point out a recent club with consistent, ongoing success under a long-serving manager, delivering a "dynasty". Take your time. Managers have short reigns these days. It's makes no fucking difference, either.
There is no denying Mourinho can get the best out of players.. but all teams have their day.. it nothing unusual for teams to pitter out after winning major honours..
UTD have done it, Arsenal, Chelsea and Ourselves..
He is Ferguson like in knowing how to get the best out of players.. This UTD side though is too far gone.. it needs a major overhaul..
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Yes. Yes, thats clearly what I'm saying. Its still his fault...... Christ.
This defending of Mourinho is getting a bit weird in all honesty. Thats the embarrasing part.
I'm not defending anyone. I'm responding to people being wrong, with facts to help them stop being wrong.
There's no need for anyone to be embarrassed, simply use the facts on offer to stop being wrong. See?
Yes, hope outdoing expectation here. Please Allah/God/Thor (insert imaginary friend her) he falls flat on his face, but it's unlikely.
My main issue isn't even to do with the football. Fuck what they or anyone els is doing while we are such a shambles. Let's get our own house in order first. They rest will take care of itself.
No, my main issue is that I was just, JUST, beginning to revisit a modicum of joy in football with Klopp in charge, and Leicester buckling their swash etc, and now this utter cunt is back in the league to bring everything that's base and vile back right along with him.
Not sure this is the right forum for you if you're not a moron though.
It's really tempting to do a massive "oh, woe is us" routine, but it's hard to resist. We've fucking blown it.
The shittest set of top-level managers for YEARS, unrest and mutiny across the board, and what do we do? Lose the title to a fucking mediocrity like Pellegrini. And then to compound matters, everything implodes to such an extent that an equally mediocre non-entity like fucking Ranieri, with a bang-average bunch of journeymen, actually WINS it this season.
And just as we attract one of the best possible managers out there, what happens? The two Manc cunts decide to - AT THE SAME TIME - employ the two best managers in the world, and hand then £200m each to buy whoever they want.
Great. Just GREAT
Its by no means a great United side at the moment, but Van Gaal has given him a bit of a leg up by bringing through a handful of young players who look very capable.
They'll improve quite a bit next season, and they have massive spending power. So a title is likely down the line.
Although i would have said that no matter who they appointed.
I wouldn't. Giggs getting the job would have been amusing.
It's fucking shite alright, but I think many are trying to look at the possible silver lining on this cloud of cunt.
The possible silver lining is that he has a proven track record of failing to build a long term side, & when he leaves a club they have a huge wage bill & older players. His ethos also seems to be at odds with what Utd have traditionally done well, building from youth.
Let's face it, he always wins shit, & they're gonna give him several lorry loads of cash to spend, so we have to cling to the hope that he'll follow his usual pattern & in a couple of years he'll have his usual hissy fit, losing the dressing room & leave them in as bad, or a worse state, than they are now.
The possible silver lining is that he has a proven track record of failing to build a long term side, & when he leaves a club they have a huge wage bill & older players. His ethos also seems to be at odds with what Utd have traditionally done well, building from youth.
Let's face it, he always wins shit, & they're gonna give him several lorry loads of cash to spend, so we have to cling to the hope that he'll follow his usual pattern & in a couple of years he'll have his usual hissy fit, losing the dressing room & leave them in as bad, or a worse state, than they are now.
I'd have no problem with it either even if he is a cunt.
Exactly right.
I really don't think it's hyperbole to say that last Wednesday night was huge. A trophy and CL football, even though Klopp clearly has a huge job on his hands, would have made us at least relevant again. As it is, we're a team that finished 8th. Nothing more. And Chelski and those two teams in Manchester are going to kick on backed with megabucks.
Still gutted.
Given there are 7 clubs better than us, and two of those better clubs are going to also have better managers in place, and more money, not to mention new clubs into the Top 4 like Spurs and Leicester, plus the likes of Chelsea, with a new manager and loads to spend - it could easily be argued that we will struggle more than ever before to get into the Top 4.
But that defiance of expectations and reality is what we do best, sometimes!
Things are different at Inter now.
Real, you're right, IS the one place he's been where titles might not necessarily be expected. And he didn't do particularly well there. So...
Yeah, Chelsea will spend big aswell and will have the same "advantage" we have with no games on Thursdays..
I would have gladly swapped that advantage for some Tuesday and Wednesday games mind.
Still gutted we fucked up and didnt win last week.
Apart from..oh yeah..winning the title.
A pattern? Hmmm, I'd like to win one title every three years.
Although that's a bit lower than his usual hit-rate, given that in 16 years as a manager, he's won 8 league titles, which is an average of one every two years. There's the actual pattern, petey.
Which is nicely supplemented by about 12 other domestic cups and the like, plus two European Cups and a UEFA cup.
THIS IS GOING GREAT PETER! KEEP IT UP!
Do you have the figures for the other seasons he's been here? I'm not saying you cherry picked that stat to suit your argument, but I'm sure that he normally prefers an older starting XI.
I read it as a riposte to some imaginary barb about his preference to older, "battle-hardened" players. So it's a fact. Maybe on the BBC website?
But largely irrelevant, really, because who gives a fuck? Winning is all that counts and I'm pretty certain he does "prefer" more experienced players, because he "prefers" winning. It's just still slightly interesting and very amusing that for all the shit about his distaste for youth, he's actually won the the Premiership title with the youngest average age EVER.
You're very defensive of a guy you 'hate' aren't you?
To the objective eye what I'm saying is hardly controversial. He's great at winning titles at clubs where winning titles is the basic requirement. The Utd job will be a good test of how good he is at overcoming slightly sterner odds.
This is a great read
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny
That young squad in 04/05 was built with spending 210 mill £ from 03 and onwards from when Abramovitch bought the club.
That was probably the start of the big spending in the league and got them several of the best young talent out there.
In contrast Utd spent 70 mill and Arsenal 25 mill in the same periode.
Still, a great achievement winning the league. But others would probably have done the same with those resources.
That was probably the start of the big spending in the league and got them several of the best young talent out there.
In contrast Utd spent 70 mill and Arsenal 25 mill in the same periode.
Still, a great achievement winning the league. But others would probably have done the same with those resources.
Again, I'm not being defensive, I'm just addressing incorrect assertions and lazy assumptions by using actual facts.
It's quite easy to talk about how he simply wins trophies at clubs were he is expected to win them, but that doesn't really explain why he wins so many of them, and does so at every single club he's been at, in every country he's managed in, and why - if it was so fucking easy - why Inter have won precisely fuck all since he left, and Real haven't got won a title since either.
As for Chelsea, they've won four titles in the 13-4 years since Abramovich has taken over. Mourinho has won 75% of them. How is it that a club in which money was no object, and are "expected to win titles" have had 9 managers in that period, and only ONE has managed to win the title apart from Mourinho? Maybe it's because he's better at winning titles than almost anyone else in the world? That would explain the amount he's won.
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