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Man Utd to appoint Mourinho

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We only sold Alonso in 2009 summer. The team which finished 2nd previous year dropped to sixth. We still had Reina, Mascher, Torres.

Houllier finished second in 2002 and then finished fifth the next season.

We lost Suarez and dropped from 2nd to 6th again.

Teams loose great players. Even the Mancs under Ferguson lost players. I dont think we have had other clubs other than us launch a very good attempt at the title and then wilt away the next season. Chelsea this season is the only example I can think off.

Not trying to denigrate the achievements of 2002,2009,2014 squad and the managers. They were all spectacular efforts on everybody involved - from the manager down to the substitutes. But we had a number factors align for us. The randomness fell in our favor. In 2014 for example we had a significantly higher than average set piece goals, out defenders actually scored higher than average important goals, Sturridge remained fit. In 2009, we had fringe players like Yossi Benayoun and Riera playing way above their ability and making significantly higher than average contributions. In all three cases, we had a certain group of players performing at 120% which was phenomenal but not sustainable.

The next season when everyone reverted back to 80-100% performance level, we lose one important core player, get slightly unlucky with injuries, randomness corrects itself (not many set piece goals, no contribution to goals from defenders) and the entire campaign collapses. This was what I meant by foundation of sand. In all three cases, once you get past the core players the squad was very very poor. We need to build a strong base of young players and mix it with a few elite players (easier said that done) and we should be set to consistently challenge for trophies. We should be at a level where we can hit top 4 consistently with everyone performing at 80-100%.

I see that I'm not the only one reading Tomkins articles.
 
I see that I'm not the only one reading Tomkins articles.

Ha. I generally dont like Tomkins articles.

The part on setpiece goals and randomness were from either one of the articles on football365 or one of the articles posted by @Rosco. Dont remember which one. They may very well be authored by Tomkins but I doubt it.
 
Ha. I generally dont like Tomkins articles.

The part on setpiece goals and randomness were from either one of the articles on football365 or one of the articles posted by @Rosco. Dont remember which one. They may very well be authored by Tomkins but I doubt it.

Tomkins wrote a very long article about it. Other sites copied parts of the article so it was authored by Tomkins. Many vell known journalist read his articles and then change some bits and suddenly it is a new article.

One other example is an article he wrote about how short team we have, our shortest ever. A long article again. A few days later many of the papers wrote articles about our short team.
 
Klopp have now of course signed a couple of taller players so he knew about the problem. I don't have a clue if he read Tomkins articles by I wouldn't be surprised if he do.

Almost every big club on the planet use FM as part of their scouting because FM do have the biggest scouting network on the planet. It would be crazy if they didn't use it. A few clubs even have a deal with them so they get the info from the scouting first.

That is another example of how clubs use info.
 
Tomkins wrote a very long article about it. Other sites copied parts of the article so it was authored by Tomkins. Many vell known journalist read his articles and then change some bits and suddenly it is a new article.

One other example is an article he wrote about how short team we have, our shortest ever. A long article again. A few days later many of the papers wrote articles about our short team.

Quite possible that the original source of the articles which I read was Tomkins. I have no issues with the content and the arguments of tomkins.

Just dont like his writing style, thats all.
 
Quite possible that the original source of the articles which I read was Tomkins. I have no issues with the content and the arguments of tomkins.

Just dont like his writing style, thats all.

Long articles but very interesting IMO. You learn a lot about things you didn't think mattered. I even subscribe on his articles so I can read all of them. I'm a football maniac but it also earn me a lot of money. I got a lot more bets right after I started to subscribe.
 
Ah, the madness of trying to blow all our money on Robbie Keane and Gareth Barry. It seems that no matter who is in charge, we always manage to sabotage things as soon as it looks like we might be succeeding.
 
Ah, the madness of trying to blow all our money on Robbie Keane and Gareth Barry. It seems that no matter who is in charge, we always manage to sabotage things as soon as it looks like we might be succeeding.

Yep, and a few months later we sold Keane and used that money to pay the interest on the loan. So in the end we got Keane for a few months and no Barry. I guess that is what happens when you loan a lot of money against the club. The interest must be paid. In the end if forced them to sell the club. Voted down 3-2 even that they owned 100% of the club.
 
Yep, and a few months later we sold Keane and used that money to pay the interest on the loan. So in the end we got Keane for a few months and no Barry. I guess that is what happens when you loan a lot of money against the club. The interest must be paid. In the end if forced them to sell the club. Voted down 3-2 even that they owned 100% of the club.

Loans didn't force us to make Keane and Barry our top targets.

And to think Rafa wanted to play Barry at LM as well.
 
We only sold Alonso in 2009 summer. The team which finished 2nd previous year dropped to sixth. We still had Reina, Mascher, Torres.

Houllier finished second in 2002 and then finished fifth the next season.

We lost Suarez and dropped from 2nd to 6th again.

Teams loose great players. Even the Mancs under Ferguson lost players. I dont think we have had other clubs other than us launch a very good attempt at the title and then wilt away the next season. Chelsea this season is the only example I can think off.

Not trying to denigrate the achievements of 2002,2009,2014 squad and the managers. They were all spectacular efforts on everybody involved - from the manager down to the substitutes. But we had a number factors align for us. The randomness fell in our favor. In 2014 for example we had a significantly higher than average set piece goals, out defenders actually scored higher than average important goals, Sturridge remained fit. In 2009, we had fringe players like Yossi Benayoun and Riera playing way above their ability and making significantly higher than average contributions. In all three cases, we had a certain group of players performing at 120% which was phenomenal but not sustainable.

The next season when everyone reverted back to 80-100% performance level, we lose one important core player, get slightly unlucky with injuries, randomness corrects itself (not many set piece goals, no contribution to goals from defenders) and the entire campaign collapses. This was what I meant by foundation of sand. In all three cases, once you get past the core players the squad was very very poor. We need to build a strong base of young players and mix it with a few elite players (easier said that done) and we should be set to consistently challenge for trophies. We should be at a level where we can hit top 4 consistently with everyone performing at 80-100%.

Good post. What gives me hope that this time will be different is that once Klopp has built a team (which usually takes him a few years), they remain saturated with quality throughout the squad, so even when the best players leave, there is enough genuine talent in the pipeline to pick up the slack. Tuchel did a great job this season, but it's also to Klopp's credit how well Dortmund has done this season – the foundation he's created turned out to be solid enough to outlive his own tenure. Even Mainz remained (and remains) strong for years after Klopp left – although they were also very smart to hire good managers, first the aforementioned Tuchel and now Martin Schmidt.

Contrast it to some other managers who spend years building up structures that crumble badly whenever a key player is removed (or the luck runs out). I love Rafa, and to his great credit he assembled a world-class spine here, but he also bought a lot of total shite over the years; players who even at their very best could be only be supporting cast and never really propel the team forward on their own. His successors were even worse; there is absolutely nothing good to say about Hodgson signings, while Rodgers and Kenny both had pretty limited field of vision when it comes to buying players; they rarely went deeper than throwing money at the latest Premier League flavor of the month or going along with some agents' suggestions.

Nowadays if you want to be competitive without spending like Man City or Chelsea, deep knowledge and familiarity with some of the most promising talent markets – like Germany, France, Eastern Europe or South America – is a must-have attribute for a manager. And most importantly you have to have your own plan and vision and follow it steadfastly, amid the chaos created by agents, greedy players, stupid meddling owners, UEFA rules etc.
 
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Ha. I generally dont like Tomkins articles.

The part on setpiece goals and randomness were from either one of the articles on football365 or one of the articles posted by @Rosco. Dont remember which one. They may very well be authored by Tomkins but I doubt it.

Set piece randomness is long established by football metrics people (and I've never read a Tomkins article). I mentioned same as one of the reasons why we wouldn't replicate our second place finish.
 
This article does a pretty good job of summing it up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...at-the-top-heres-what-to-expect-a7046791.html

This last bit is great.

Of all the complaints about Mourinho, the gravest is not the accusation that he is a nasty, egomaniacal hysteric of the kind you would do anything – possibly short of taking hemlock, and quite possibly not – to avoid sitting beside on the top deck of a bus.
It is that, with the unceasing whining about treachery and conspiracy, and consequent creation of the siege mentality which binds a squad together for a short while before the battle fatigue sets in, he is an even more crashing bore than the football he produces.

Maybe this time round the press will be after him a bit more. hope so. The shower of vile cunts.
 
I doubt it, I'm afraid. The copy he provides is too useful to them. They're already browntonguing the guy on TalkSh!te, but then they would.
 
I'm already sick of hearing about Mourinho and Ibrahimovic, and neither of them have signed yet. Sigh...
 
Rui Faria is the one who is really likely to horrify Bobby Charlton and his like-minded mates. That bloke is unbelievably unpopular, a weasely little whopper always on the verge of setting off a riot among the dug outs. Someone at Anfield said of him, 'He loves to get involved and act the hard man, but then he is usually hiding behind somebody or letting himself be restrained'.


From The Times:


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Given his well-documented reservations about José Mourinho’s appointment at Manchester United, Sir Bobby Charlton may not be in a rush to meet the man likely to be the club’s new assistant manager. “He is my right arm,” Mourinho has said of Rui Faria, a body part that the “Special One’s” fellow fiery Portuguese is not slow to use, whether in his relentless appeals against refereeing decisions or scuffling with opponents.

Faria’s touchline antics are well known to Premier League watchers and the disciplinary authorities, but his behaviour behind the scenes may surprise some at Old Trafford.

The 40-year-old’s intensity and aggression are such that on one occasion he was substituted before half-time by an embarrassed Chelsea official after a series of outrageous challenges in an otherwise friendly kick-about with the media during a pre-season tour. Whereas Mourinho’s relationship with the media contains elements of love and hate, the more taciturn Faria would describe his as hate-hate.

Other than their contrasting attitudes to the press one cannot overstate Mourinho’s closeness to Faria, with the photographs that emerged of them wandering around west London together on Monday typical of their relationship. The pair are used to working, eating, and living — if not sleeping — in each other’s company, with Mourinho becoming increasingly reliant on Faria since first appointing him as a fitness coach in his second management job at Uniao Leiria in Portugal and promoting him to assistant in his second spell at Chelsea. They first met when Mourinho was working for Louis van Gaal 20 years ago, when Faria attended a coaching seminar at the Nou Camp.

Mourinho values Faria for his rigorous training sessions, his detailed planning and tactical insights, but also his unswerving loyalty. Whereas other assistants such as André Villas-Boas, Baltemar Brito, Aitor Karanka and José Morais have pursued their own managerial careers elsewhere, Faria has never been tempted away, even when Mourinho has been out of work. He is also a voracious student and shares Mourinho’s formidable work ethic.

Their synergy seems to be down to their clear similarities. Last year, Mourinho described Faria as the coach “with more similarities with me, even with some traces of personality”.

Former colleagues have described Faria as a more extreme version of his boss — always agitating, permanently scheming, frequently seeing conspiracy where none exists — with the result that he would often work Mourinho up into a rage.

When Michael Essien was given a two-match ban for a challenge on Dietmar Hamann in Chelsea’s Champions League group game against Liverpool in 2005, for example, Faria blamed Sky Sports for repeatedly showing the incident on its news channel and wanted the rights-holders banned from the training ground, while much of Mourinho’s fury at the preponderance of “Liverpool pundits” in more recent years is believed to have been fuelled by Faria.

Consequently Faria has often found himself thrust into the limelight, most spectacularly when he was given a six-match stadium ban — reduced to four on appeal — by the FA for clashing with Mike Dean, the referee, two years ago as Sunderland ended Chelsea’s title hopes by winning at Stamford Bridge.

During their first spell at Chelsea, Faria was also sent off for arguing with Kevin Dillon, the Reading assistant manager, during the game in which Petr Cech suffered a fractured skull in October 2006, while the previous year he was questioned by Uefa for appearing to help Mourinho flout a stadium ban in a Champions League quarter-final against Bayern Munich by using an earpiece — concealed by a woolly hat — to communicate with the manager.

He was also involved in plenty of scrapes when at Real Madrid and did not always emerge the victor, such as after a La Liga match in 2010 when after intense provocation the Sporting Gijón coach, Manuel Preciado, was reported to have grabbed his testicles during a scuffle in the car park.

Faria’s combative approach on the sidelines has annoyed several Premier League sides over the years, though some note that while Faria is often keen to provoke a confrontation he does not relish the physical stuff himself if it looks like going beyond shoving.

Given Faria’s intensity it may be just as well that Mourinho is also planning to bring in another trusted aide, Silvino Louro, who can be similarly volatile but is regarded as a gentleman off the pitch. The former Portugal goalkeeper was Mourinho’s goalkeeping coach at Porto, but was promoted to assistant coach in 2013 at Chelsea.

Where Ryan Giggs fits in will be intriguing, but the Welshman is unlikely to be at its heart. While Mourinho welcomed the experience of British coaches at Chelsea such as Steve Clarke and Steve Holland there was a sense of his own staff forming a team within a team, with Faria the explosive captain.
 
I read earlier that the main hold up now is sponsorship rights. Utd have everything sponsored, like us, yet Mourinho has his own car sponsor, own watch sponsorship, etc etc. Each club & Mourinho sponsor has to renegotiate their fees with Utd & with his agents to reduce or increase fees or pay the other compensation etc to account for him switching sponsors or their brands not being associated with the new manager.

Modern football is fucking gash.
 
Bit of a detour on the sponsorship point. Saw some Klopp Opel(?) ads a while back on youtube. Do those count as sponsorship deals aswell or its just a car company using a famous person?
 
This article does a pretty good job of summing it up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...at-the-top-heres-what-to-expect-a7046791.html

This last bit is great.

Of all the complaints about Mourinho, the gravest is not the accusation that he is a nasty, egomaniacal hysteric of the kind you would do anything – possibly short of taking hemlock, and quite possibly not – to avoid sitting beside on the top deck of a bus.
It is that, with the unceasing whining about treachery and conspiracy, and consequent creation of the siege mentality which binds a squad together for a short while before the battle fatigue sets in, he is an even more crashing bore than the football he produces.

Maybe this time round the press will be after him a bit more. hope so. The shower of vile cunts.

The comments are quite good. A few down a tranny reckons their top drawer gaydar reveals he's a repressed homo, which is why he hates women.
 
Bit of a detour on the sponsorship point. Saw some Klopp Opel(?) ads a while back on youtube. Do those count as sponsorship deals aswell or its just a car company using a famous person?
Oh yes, the Klopp opel astra ads. They show them on tv here.

I've no idea about image rights, though.
 
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