I trusted Klopp to get us a win against Watford too. It's not a trust issue, it's more about common sense. We are stronger with Coutinho, so he should be included. Who on our bench do you trust to have a bigger impact than him?
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But Klopp's looking beyond one game. Have Coutinho fit and ready for the next couple of weeks with 7 games and beyond those too.
Think it makes perfect sense.
Woodburn.
So his fitness will take a hit by playing against City?
We're stronger with a fully fit and functioning Coutinho. We wouldn't be stronger with a Coutinho who's not ready for such a crucial and potentially difficult match.
Heh, good shout but Man C aren't Moldova or Austria.
So him being on the bench playing the last 15 mins would have affected his fitness for future games is that what you're saying? That doesn't make sense to me. He should have been on the bench imo.
Nope. But him recovering at home then starting training while others rest the following day will help him for the next game. Pretty simple.
Bigger impact than a spineless rat that put himself before the club on the eve before the Watford game? All of the others will have bigger impact.
The others have been working hard to shape the team while Coutinho sat home crying over a move to Barcelonas beaches. Do you think the Arsenal trashing was based on 11 individual performances of sheer brilliance?
A team performance obviously. But city aren't as weak as Arsenal. There was nothing wrong with having coutinho on the bench and to say that woodburn would have a bigger impact off the bench is just ridiculous.
Very few, if any, saying he should start. I just feel that he certainly wouldn't weaken our bench tomorrow. I also feel returning in an away match might be a better idea.
I think Klopp thinks, for whatever reason, that it is too soon to return him to the squad. Nothing to do with fitness though.
I think Klopp thinks, for whatever reason, that it is too soon to return him to the squad. Nothing to do with fitness though.
Win, lose or draw, I hope the cunt is omitted and is forced to play his way back in.
There's no comeback on Klopp here because we're dealing with an individual who doesn't really want to play for us anyway. How's that Klopp's issue?
There's no comeback on Klopp here because we're dealing with an individual who doesn't really want to play for us anyway. How's that Klopp's issue?
The only way we are going to achieve someting at the end of the season is by creating a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. To do that there needs to be a culture or the ethos where everyone is 150% committed to the system or the cause.
When someone creates bogus injury and cries about going to Barcelona is bought into the squad or first team immediately that can affect the commitment of other players.
The goal is not just to win against City. The goal is to win something at the end of the season. We maybe weaker against City without Coutinho but the message might ensure we are stronger in the long run.
I am puzzled we are even having this debate.
When someone creates bogus injury and cries about going to Barcelona is bought into the squad or first team immediately that can affect the commitment of other players.
The goal is not just to win against City. The goal is to win something at the end of the season. We maybe weaker against City without Coutinho but the message might ensure we are stronger in the long run.
I am puzzled we are even having this debate.
Excellent post for the most part. I'm not as surprised as you that we're having the debate, because the little toerag is such a good player when he's on his game, but IMO the rest of what you say is spot on.
Stunned he's not in the squad, hoe can anyone argue he's not capable of 15-20 mins after playing that and more for Brazil
Big gamble by Klopp
Big gamble by Klopp
It's not a gamble. It's the way it should be.
I actually don't like the idea of bringing Coutinho off the bench in the last 20 minutes of a game where we need a goal – he tends to force things under pressure, couple that with being less than 100% physically and added psychological pressure of a first game since after coming back and I think he'll do more harm than good. He'll just keep shooting over the bar from 30 yards. If we need a goal with 15 minutes to go, I would definitely bring in Woodburn, given the week he's had.
Yep - Quite right to leave him out of the squad. Respect to Klopp.
He didn't argue that. He explicitly says that he could have played twenty minutes.
He trains the fuck out of players, we know that, our pre-season is much more intense than other teams is & he's missed a lot of it.
I'd be surprised if Woodburn even makes the bench.
It's 40 miles down the M56. He should have been on the bench, he can train for the next few days after that.
did you actually say that with a straight face? i ask because surely youre not being serious. Woodburn makes a difference against two teams that would struggle in the championship division and all of a sudden you're saying he'd make more difference than coutinho??
The gamble was by Coutinho. Klopp just work with what he got.
Yes, I'm serious. Nobody is arguing whether Woodburn is overall as a player on a comparable level to Coutinho - of course not. But don't forget Federico Macheda, Mellor, Sinama-Pongolle, even Trent against Hoffenheim. Sometimes in football confidence trumps skill. All I'm saying is I don't see Coutinho as a savior off the bench - he's not that kind of player. If he's not fit to start, he probably shouldn't play at all.
With all that said, I also wouldn't be surprised if Woodburn doesn't make the bench, simply because Sturridge and Solanke are fully fit and ahead of him in the pecking order.
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He came on when Brazil needed a goal the other night and how did that pan out?
Have you forgotten when this club turned to Heskey instead of Fowler. The idea it would fuck Coutinho to tears in favour of Woodburn is nothing at all. We fucked far far better players than him for properly retarded reasons. There's no other way about it Klopp is going to fuck him over good.
Look at his press conference. Sure his words were complimentary about Coutinho, but there was nothing behind them. Compare it to his facial expressions and mannerisms when he was complimenting Woodburn, totally different. He likes Woodburn and was palpably proud when talking about him. He wants to decimate Coutinho and that's it.
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