Luis Flips the Bird - Fulham fans need counselling to recover

[King Binny]

"I find it a bit strange the FA are supposed to be setting an example for things yet they appeal against Wayne Rooney's three-match ban," he said.

"I don't think that's a good example to set."

"The fact it has taken nine weeks to get a decision on one of the other charges is a bit of a joke as well," added Dalglish.

"I don't think that has helped as well. The circus which is around about him has been caused mainly by that.

"That will be done sooner rather than later and we will move forward."

 

[peekay]

KD on Suarez awaiting charge re: Evra:"Been 9 weeks now waiting. Carries on like this he may have had his testimonial."
14 minutes ago ;D

 

[King Binny]

Dalglish attacks hypocritical FA over Liverpool treatment

 

[Judge Jules]

"The people who can't beat him [i.e.Luis Suarez] on the pitch will try and get into his mind". No prizes for guessing who Kenny's referring to there.

 

[LarryHagman]

We're hitting the post a lot? We're getting picked on?

Really?

Don't tell me Everton are bitter. Ludicrous.

Grow a set.

 

[Judge Jules]

There are clear double standards being applied here and it's absolutely right to draw attention to them. Doing so doesn't detract from recognising - which everyone does, as far as I can see - that we have our own failings to put right as well. The two aren't mutually exclusive FFS.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47805.msg1440294#msg1440294 date=1323352879]
We're hitting the post a lot? We're getting picked on?

Really?

Don't tell me Everton are bitter. Ludicrous.

Grow a set.
[/quote]

What exactly is wrong with highlighting double standards?

Just when people were making me feel that it is wrong, up pops Kenny to highlight exactly what we were saying.

Thats good enough for me.

 

[King Binny]

"Official FA Spot The Difference competition" - courtesy of Brain Kettle

 

[HC]

Actually ANYONE working in the service industry would at no point have to tolerate rude customers hurling abuse at them, they'd simply be ejected from the premises.

If the FA are to ban suarez then they have to be consistant and ban the offending fulham fans.

You can't have half being pc mad and half not giving a fuck else therell always be this massive disparity...

 

[Judge Jules]

Is that the Brian Kettle who played for LFC? Good on him.

 

[King Binny]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47805.msg1440315#msg1440315 date=1323356473]
Is that the Brian Kettle who played for LFC? Good on him.
[/quote]

On second look, just realised he's "Not Brian Kettle".

http://twitter.com/briankettle

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Fair play to Kenny for sticking up for Suarez.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47805.msg1440294#msg1440294 date=1323352879]
We're hitting the post a lot? We're getting picked on?

Really?

Don't tell me Everton are bitter. Ludicrous.

Grow a set.
[/quote]


Show some fucking respect you blert. "Grow a set"? For fucks sake.

Disagree with the man, fine, its not like every decision or comment he makes cant be challenged. But have you ever seen a footballing man with a "bigger set"? No you havent, so dont make yourself look like a cunt.

 

[Rosco]

Spion - have a look at Kenny's interview there.

Perfectly measured, he said everything that needed to be said without looking like he was losing the plot.

 

[Hansern]

Absolutly love KDs press conferences. Knows exactly what to say and nail on the head to what we are thinking aswell.
The media handling now compared to Rafa and Owlface is night and day.

 

[Rosco]

How can you not warm to him ?

 

[Hansern]

Responding to Dalglish's comments, the FA's director of communications Adrian Bevington tweeted that it was "important to clarify Uefa has completely different set of disciplinary regulations to the FA".

Eh what now??!!

 

[Rosco]

the FA are clueless aren't they ?

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47805.msg1440355#msg1440355 date=1323367219]
Responding to Dalglish's comments, the FA's director of communications Adrian Bevington tweeted that it was "important to clarify Uefa has completely different set of disciplinary regulations to the FA".

Eh what now??!!
[/quote]

That's irrelevant, its still contridictary. And im sure Kenny knows the rules of UEFA you condascending twat. (aimed at FA not hansern)

 

[Hansern]

Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has accused the FA of double standards in the wake of the appeal, stating football's governing body in England should set a better example.

The Reds tactician pointed out had Rooney been judged on the FA's own rules, a three-match suspension would have been automatic.

Club England managing director Adrian Bevington was quick to point out a major difference that exists between how the FA and UEFA handle disciplinary matters.

Process

"To promote speed and consistency, stakeholders in England agreed a standard formula encompassing a fixed penalty sanction should be applied across the game by The FA," read an FA statement.

"The system has been in operation for many years and meets the demands of the domestic game.

"The FA's system allows clubs to make a claim of wrongful dismissal - to reduce a sanction to zero - or appeal the severity of a sanction, both of these processes are dealt with prior to the player's next fixture.

"UEFA chooses to operate a different process for European matches, based on a sliding scale, under which each sanction is determined individually by a disciplinary panel.

"In any event a minimum one-game ban will always be applied by UEFA.

"This process meets the demands of UEFA football where the period between fixtures is greater than that in the domestic game."

 

[themn]

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT !!

 

[themn]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47805.msg1440351#msg1440351 date=1323366538]
How can you not warm to him ?
[/quote]

Are you talking about The God, Kenny Dalglish, Rosco ?

 

[25_05_05]

Just as "on a bosman" has become a part of footballing parlance, I now envisage "on a Rooney" will be uttered by clubs, players and fans across the land. As in "He got a three match ban, but it got knocked down to two games....on a Rooney".

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=25_05_05 link=topic=47805.msg1440382#msg1440382 date=1323372770]
Just as "on a bosman" has become a part of footballing parlance, I now envisage "on a Rooney" will be uttered by clubs, players and fans across the land. As in "He got a three match ban, but it got knocked down to two games....on a Rooney".
[/quote]

Or he called the referee a twat, cunt and wanker but didn't get sent off!

 

[Ryan]

Kenny Dalglish uses DVD to show 'truth' about sinned-against Liverpool

• Manager shows videos of flashpoints in Fulham match
• Flurry of accusations against Luis Suárez irk Scot

Paul Wilson guardian.co.uk, Thursday 8 December 2011 23.00 GMT Article history

Two years ago it was Rafa Benítez with his folded sheet of paper containing various "facts" about perceived Liverpool grievances. On Thursday in the same room Kenny Dalglish went one better, with a DVD display illustrating why Liverpool were more sinned against than sinning at Fulham on Monday, a match that earned the club a double dose of disciplinary trouble from the Football Association, with Luis Suárez accused of making an offensive gesture to home supporters and Liverpool charged with failure to control their players following the dismissal of Jay Spearing. "If anyone wants to see the truth it's on the screen," the Liverpool manager said.

"If we have infringed rules we will have to accept it and take the punishment, but I'm not certain what the rules are when it comes to disputing a decision," Dalglish added. "What I do know is that referees are inconsistent with their interpretations. The only intent in Jay's mind was to get the ball, and normally our discipline is good, as our film clip can prove.

"If you look at the way Craig Bellamy was being provoked [by Clint Dempsey] at Fulham you can only say his discipline was unbelievable. He didn't commit a foul, he didn't respond to the player shoving his head into his face, and yet he was the one to get booked. Once that happened we ended up having to take him off so we weren't left with nine players."

Footage from the game does appear to support that point, and Dalglish said it would be presented to the FA if Liverpool were asked to defend themselves, along with clips of Suárez being wrestled to the floor in the penalty area by Brede Hangeland and getting nothing, Andy Carroll being fouled and Bellamy being wrongly penalised for a harmless tussle with John Arne Riise.

"We just want to be dealt with fairly," Dalglish said. "We want the same rules to apply to us as to everyone else. At Fulham I think we got the short end of a lot of 50-50 decisions that on another night might have gone our way. Anyone watching the clips can see that for themselves."

Uppermost in Dalglish's mind is the latest charge to hit Suárez, two months after the Uruguayan was accused of racial abuse by Manchester United's Patrice Evra, a case which the FA has still to bring to a conclusion. Apart from being dismayed by the time that original investigation is taking – "Nine weeks to reach a decision is a joke, if it goes on any longer it will soon be due a testimonial" – Dalglish fears his player is being deliberately wound up by opponents and receiving scant sympathy from referees. "I've seen the picture [of the gesture] now and I'd rather be sitting here talking about football," the Scot said.

"The charge only landed yesterday afternoon and I have yet to speak to him about it, but everyone at this club will stand by him. We know what the truth is. Because he's such a fantastic player, opponents who can't stop him on the pitch find other ways to get at him. People are entitled to tackle him, but tackle him fairly. That's all we are saying.

"People are just jumping on the bandwagon now and accusing him of this, that and everything else. He is happy here, happy in his environment, but we need the outstanding issues to be cleared up before we can start talking about the man as a footballer."

Dalglish claims he can list four other players who have made similar gestures to the one Suárez made and escaped without charge, though he is reluctant to say who they may be. He disagreed that the Suárez gesture to the Fulham crowd was in any way comparable to the Wayne Rooney outburst into a television camera at West Ham that saw the Manchester United player charged and banned for a couple of games last season.

"I don't see any similarities between the two incidents at all," he said. "Saying they are a bit like each other is like saying a man is a bit like a woman. We have picked out at least four other instances that were just the same and the players were not charged. All we are asking for is some clarity on the matter."

Despite being without a league goal since the start of October, a fortnight before the United game and the trouble with Evra, Dalglish is convinced Suárez remains popular with supporters and will continue to be central to the club's plans.

"The contribution he makes is important, it is not necessary for him to score every week as long as he continues to terrorise people," he said.

"As long as opponents have to resort to verbals to try and get to him he must be doing something right. The fans recognise that. They will be right behind him on Saturday, because they know what's been going on. At the end of the day he's not been getting a fair crack of the whip."

 

[Dreambeliever]

Interesting approach by us on this one but you have to say Kenny came across excellantly.

They could have thrown in the countless pictures of other clubs players flipping the bird that have gone unpunished.

Great to have a coach who can handle the media so well when things are going not so great on the pitch in the league.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47805.msg1440435#msg1440435 date=1323390706]

Kenny Dalglish uses DVD to show 'truth' about sinned-against Liverpool

• Manager shows videos of flashpoints in Fulham match
• Flurry of accusations against Luis Suárez irk Scot

Paul Wilson guardian.co.uk, Thursday 8 December 2011 23.00 GMT Article history

Two years ago it was Rafa Benítez with his folded sheet of paper containing various "facts" about perceived Liverpool grievances. On Thursday in the same room Kenny Dalglish went one better, with a DVD display illustrating why Liverpool were more sinned against than sinning at Fulham on Monday, a match that earned the club a double dose of disciplinary trouble from the Football Association, with Luis Suárez accused of making an offensive gesture to home supporters and Liverpool charged with failure to control their players following the dismissal of Jay Spearing. "If anyone wants to see the truth it's on the screen," the Liverpool manager said.

"If we have infringed rules we will have to accept it and take the punishment, but I'm not certain what the rules are when it comes to disputing a decision," Dalglish added. "What I do know is that referees are inconsistent with their interpretations. The only intent in Jay's mind was to get the ball, and normally our discipline is good, as our film clip can prove.

"If you look at the way Craig Bellamy was being provoked [by Clint Dempsey] at Fulham you can only say his discipline was unbelievable. He didn't commit a foul, he didn't respond to the player shoving his head into his face, and yet he was the one to get booked. Once that happened we ended up having to take him off so we weren't left with nine players."

Footage from the game does appear to support that point, and Dalglish said it would be presented to the FA if Liverpool were asked to defend themselves, along with clips of Suárez being wrestled to the floor in the penalty area by Brede Hangeland and getting nothing, Andy Carroll being fouled and Bellamy being wrongly penalised for a harmless tussle with John Arne Riise.

"We just want to be dealt with fairly," Dalglish said. "We want the same rules to apply to us as to everyone else. At Fulham I think we got the short end of a lot of 50-50 decisions that on another night might have gone our way. Anyone watching the clips can see that for themselves."

Uppermost in Dalglish's mind is the latest charge to hit Suárez, two months after the Uruguayan was accused of racial abuse by Manchester United's Patrice Evra, a case which the FA has still to bring to a conclusion. Apart from being dismayed by the time that original investigation is taking – "Nine weeks to reach a decision is a joke, if it goes on any longer it will soon be due a testimonial" – Dalglish fears his player is being deliberately wound up by opponents and receiving scant sympathy from referees. "I've seen the picture [of the gesture] now and I'd rather be sitting here talking about football," the Scot said.

"The charge only landed yesterday afternoon and I have yet to speak to him about it, but everyone at this club will stand by him. We know what the truth is. Because he's such a fantastic player, opponents who can't stop him on the pitch find other ways to get at him. People are entitled to tackle him, but tackle him fairly. That's all we are saying.

"People are just jumping on the bandwagon now and accusing him of this, that and everything else. He is happy here, happy in his environment, but we need the outstanding issues to be cleared up before we can start talking about the man as a footballer."

Dalglish claims he can list four other players who have made similar gestures to the one Suárez made and escaped without charge, though he is reluctant to say who they may be. He disagreed that the Suárez gesture to the Fulham crowd was in any way comparable to the Wayne Rooney outburst into a television camera at West Ham that saw the Manchester United player charged and banned for a couple of games last season.

"I don't see any similarities between the two incidents at all," he said. "Saying they are a bit like each other is like saying a man is a bit like a woman. We have picked out at least four other instances that were just the same and the players were not charged. All we are asking for is some clarity on the matter."

Despite being without a league goal since the start of October, a fortnight before the United game and the trouble with Evra, Dalglish is convinced Suárez remains popular with supporters and will continue to be central to the club's plans.

"The contribution he makes is important, it is not necessary for him to score every week as long as he continues to terrorise people," he said.

"As long as opponents have to resort to verbals to try and get to him he must be doing something right. The fans recognise that. They will be right behind him on Saturday, because they know what's been going on. At the end of the day he's not been getting a fair crack of the whip."

[/quote]

It doesnt "appear" to support it. Anyone with an eye in their head can see that it DOES support it

 

[25_05_05]

Why go to the trouble of making a DVD? Just do what the FA did with Rooney. Get Luis to turn up to his own hearing and tell them that he's been a bit upset.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=25_05_05 link=topic=47805.msg1440511#msg1440511 date=1323422736]
Why go to the trouble of making a DVD? Just do what the FA did with Rooney. Get Luis to turn up to his own hearing and tell them that he's been a bit upset.
[/quote]

If that went well for Rooney due to his father, I guess Terry could get away with murder judged by his family :laugh:

 

[Jack D Rips]

Backup from unlikely sources


@Richard_Buxton
Seems the tide is about to turn against the FA. Pulis & Moyes adding their voice to Dalglish's comments about their disciplinary standards.

@Richard_Buxton
First Dalglish. Now Moyes has a go at FA. "The times I've been in front of them, it's like a kangaroo court. You've got no chance."

@Richard_Buxton_ »
Pulis: "Would be interesting to see if player from English club actually went & appealed on a similar incident what the FA would have done"