I can't remember if somebody else has mentioned it, but he seems to be working on his Didi flop
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[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42633.msg1214421#msg1214421 date=1289291294]
I can't remember if somebody else has mentioned it, but he seems to be working on his Didi flop
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Blasphemy, Didi had a dignified flop.
I can't remember if somebody else has mentioned it, but he seems to be working on his Didi flop
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Blasphemy, Didi had a dignified flop.
The problem with Lucas is that he has been utter shite and far from ready to dominate any prem game. ANd still he has been given the chance to play week in week out practicing in our first team. There is no doubt that his ever presence last season was one major factor for us not able to compete on a higher level. His fault? Nope, but his faults were there for everyone to see and it cost us dear.
The last few games he has looked very good. Not only has his passing improved, he has actually looked a better defensive midfielder too. His positioning has never been the issue, but now it suddenly looks like he can use it for something positive. So credit to him for stepping up hius game. You still cant argue that he has been given the wrong role in this squad for too long.
The last few games he has looked very good. Not only has his passing improved, he has actually looked a better defensive midfielder too. His positioning has never been the issue, but now it suddenly looks like he can use it for something positive. So credit to him for stepping up hius game. You still cant argue that he has been given the wrong role in this squad for too long.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42633.msg1214389#msg1214389 date=1289288179]
Hamann wasnt a very powerful athlete and smoked 20 fags a day on top of that.
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Hamann towers over Lucas, and I mean that in every way.
Hamann wasnt a very powerful athlete and smoked 20 fags a day on top of that.
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Hamann towers over Lucas, and I mean that in every way.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42633.msg1214423#msg1214423 date=1289291437]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42633.msg1214421#msg1214421 date=1289291294]
I can't remember if somebody else has mentioned it, but he seems to be working on his Didi flop
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Blasphemy, Didi had a dignified flop.
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I did say 'working on'
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42633.msg1214421#msg1214421 date=1289291294]
I can't remember if somebody else has mentioned it, but he seems to be working on his Didi flop
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Blasphemy, Didi had a dignified flop.
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I did say 'working on'
Alright, I'll let you off, but it is known as a crumple, not a flop.
from the independednt:
Rafael Benitez was fond of telling the story of how he had to drag the then Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry to a fax machine to ensure the club tied up the services of Lucas Leiva before Manchester United got in first.
It was when Benitez divulged exactly the same anecdote about the Italian defender Andrea Dossena that the scenario seemed to be the product of the rancour the Spaniard often seemed to feel for Parry, but the former Liverpool manager was certainly always determined to demonstrate that he called it right on Lucas. Benitez's actions seemed to be bordering on the bloody-minded as the Brazilian's name kept appearing on last season's team sheets. Lucas appeared more times than Javier Mascherano in Benitez's final campaign and only once fewer than Steven Gerrard. The Anfield Road was not always delighted.
It's not easy being considered the manager's pet project when that manager happens to have gone and the arrival of Christian Poulsen and, after Mascherano had been sold, Raul Meireles contributed to the feeling that Lucas would be yesterday's man in the Roy Hodgson era. That is why the sight of the 23-year-old, many observers' man of the match in Sunday's 2-0 win against Chelsea, suddenly revealing why Benitez saw so much in him is remarkable.
Lucas reflected yesterday on how fragile his grip on a Liverpool career has seemed in the light of Hodgson's arrival. "Everyone knows Rafa had a lot of confidence in me, so last season was different," he said. "Everyone could [also] see the manager brought in a midfielder [Poulsen] while Mascherano was [also] here. We had a lot of midfielders. But I don't really think about things too much. If at the end the manager doesn't play me, it is his decision. All I can do is work really hard."
This test happens to have been set as Lucas has needed to prove to the new Brazilian national coach, Mano Menez, with whom he worked at Gremio, that Dunga was wrong to omit him from this summer's World Cup squad.
But Poulsen has not yet proved the asset Hodgson probably thought he was getting for £4.5m and Meireles has curiously found most success on the right flank in a position previously alien to him. Lucas's performances, meanwhile, have hinted that his match-winning display against Manchester United in October last year – he and Mascherano were simply too powerful for Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick – was not a flash in the pan. "It is also good to show that there is more to Brazilian players than just tricks," Lucas reflected. "You need to show that you can do the dirty job for the team. That's what I'm trying to do. I play defensive and get forward when I can."
Lucas is often making this point and is an ardent admirer of Milan's Gennaro Gattuso, another player in the same role with whom he happens to share a birthday. Yet he actually seems to be undervaluing the more creative part of his own game – visible as he set up Maxi Rodriguez for what might have been a third Liverpool goal on Sunday. Lucas actually seems to fit into a heritage of the old-fashioned Brazilian No 5 – including Clodoaldo from the 1970 World Cup-winning side – who sits as a defensive shield but creates too. Lucas has tended to look at his most impressive for Liverpool when given the licence to advance up the field.
Benitez's faith in Lucas makes it easy to forget that the defender is still only 23 and yet an experienced Premier League player. "I'm getting older and I think I am getting better," he said. But for him, like Fernando Torres, the most genuine test of whether Liverpool really are rehabilitated from their poor start to the season comes tomorrow night at Wigan, the scene of a horror show in a 1-0 defeat last season. "That game felt like a heavy defeat," Lucas reflected. "It was clear that we didn't play well. But every season is different. We have three victories in a row and are five games unbeaten. We go there with confidence."
Rafael Benitez was fond of telling the story of how he had to drag the then Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry to a fax machine to ensure the club tied up the services of Lucas Leiva before Manchester United got in first.
It was when Benitez divulged exactly the same anecdote about the Italian defender Andrea Dossena that the scenario seemed to be the product of the rancour the Spaniard often seemed to feel for Parry, but the former Liverpool manager was certainly always determined to demonstrate that he called it right on Lucas. Benitez's actions seemed to be bordering on the bloody-minded as the Brazilian's name kept appearing on last season's team sheets. Lucas appeared more times than Javier Mascherano in Benitez's final campaign and only once fewer than Steven Gerrard. The Anfield Road was not always delighted.
It's not easy being considered the manager's pet project when that manager happens to have gone and the arrival of Christian Poulsen and, after Mascherano had been sold, Raul Meireles contributed to the feeling that Lucas would be yesterday's man in the Roy Hodgson era. That is why the sight of the 23-year-old, many observers' man of the match in Sunday's 2-0 win against Chelsea, suddenly revealing why Benitez saw so much in him is remarkable.
Lucas reflected yesterday on how fragile his grip on a Liverpool career has seemed in the light of Hodgson's arrival. "Everyone knows Rafa had a lot of confidence in me, so last season was different," he said. "Everyone could [also] see the manager brought in a midfielder [Poulsen] while Mascherano was [also] here. We had a lot of midfielders. But I don't really think about things too much. If at the end the manager doesn't play me, it is his decision. All I can do is work really hard."
This test happens to have been set as Lucas has needed to prove to the new Brazilian national coach, Mano Menez, with whom he worked at Gremio, that Dunga was wrong to omit him from this summer's World Cup squad.
But Poulsen has not yet proved the asset Hodgson probably thought he was getting for £4.5m and Meireles has curiously found most success on the right flank in a position previously alien to him. Lucas's performances, meanwhile, have hinted that his match-winning display against Manchester United in October last year – he and Mascherano were simply too powerful for Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick – was not a flash in the pan. "It is also good to show that there is more to Brazilian players than just tricks," Lucas reflected. "You need to show that you can do the dirty job for the team. That's what I'm trying to do. I play defensive and get forward when I can."
Lucas is often making this point and is an ardent admirer of Milan's Gennaro Gattuso, another player in the same role with whom he happens to share a birthday. Yet he actually seems to be undervaluing the more creative part of his own game – visible as he set up Maxi Rodriguez for what might have been a third Liverpool goal on Sunday. Lucas actually seems to fit into a heritage of the old-fashioned Brazilian No 5 – including Clodoaldo from the 1970 World Cup-winning side – who sits as a defensive shield but creates too. Lucas has tended to look at his most impressive for Liverpool when given the licence to advance up the field.
Benitez's faith in Lucas makes it easy to forget that the defender is still only 23 and yet an experienced Premier League player. "I'm getting older and I think I am getting better," he said. But for him, like Fernando Torres, the most genuine test of whether Liverpool really are rehabilitated from their poor start to the season comes tomorrow night at Wigan, the scene of a horror show in a 1-0 defeat last season. "That game felt like a heavy defeat," Lucas reflected. "It was clear that we didn't play well. But every season is different. We have three victories in a row and are five games unbeaten. We go there with confidence."
When Hamman was 23 he was just breaking into the Bayern first team and had rarely featured except from the bench in previous seasons... Lucas has 38 appearances in the Brazillian league and 84 in the Premiership.. He still has time to score a penalty in the CL final with a broken toe for us..
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42633.msg1214336#msg1214336 date=1289268146]
Why is Lucas Leiva the only player in recorded history who has highlight reels which mostly consist of him doing ordinary things?
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Hahahahaha. Innit.
Why is Lucas Leiva the only player in recorded history who has highlight reels which mostly consist of him doing ordinary things?
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Hahahahaha. Innit.
Like a lot of you gamers, Lucas is at home playing that new Black Ops COD game. He's going to tell is whether he likes it later.
WHat?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42633.msg1214370#msg1214370 date=1289280765]
I'm not using this as any sort of "conclusive evidence" and I'd be keen to see how you've come to that conclusion.
I've always maintained he was a good player, always. He's got some great attributes. That said, he's struggled to show it more often than not. It has frustrated me endlessly that he doesn't 'do' more. That he doesn't take the game on more, that he (for the most part) seems to be happy to glide through games without leaving an impact on it's proceedings, or by merely just waiting for things to happen to him. I don't see this Chelsea game as some sort of 'moment' whereby all of those problems will somehow be eliminated, in fact I'm quite the opposite. He'll still meander through an awful lot of games doing next to nothing, driving me insane.
The big problem now though is that this performance has amde him a rod for his back. Supporter now will expect him to be like that every week, and you know what, if we was a Reina or a Carragher or a Gerrard, he'd want to deliver performances like that every fucking week cos it's in their psyche to be winners and drive themselves forward. Lucas is a different cat. He doesn't have that. Unfortunately now everyone knows how well he can play, they won't let him away with the dross ones.
He didn't wake up on Sunday with footballing abaility he never had before. He's always been capable of playing like he did against Chelsea. The challenge now is to make those performances happen more often.
I've always disputed that he is a "cunt" and/or "fucking shit" because I thought there was a footballer in there somewhere. He's not shit in the slightest, he's clearly a capable footballer. He just seems too happy to drift along, and I'm not sure if that will be eradicated from his game just cos he had one good game against the League Champions.
Apols for the inevitable typos in this post too, I'm typing in a bit of a hurry.
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I would agree with this.
I'm not using this as any sort of "conclusive evidence" and I'd be keen to see how you've come to that conclusion.
I've always maintained he was a good player, always. He's got some great attributes. That said, he's struggled to show it more often than not. It has frustrated me endlessly that he doesn't 'do' more. That he doesn't take the game on more, that he (for the most part) seems to be happy to glide through games without leaving an impact on it's proceedings, or by merely just waiting for things to happen to him. I don't see this Chelsea game as some sort of 'moment' whereby all of those problems will somehow be eliminated, in fact I'm quite the opposite. He'll still meander through an awful lot of games doing next to nothing, driving me insane.
The big problem now though is that this performance has amde him a rod for his back. Supporter now will expect him to be like that every week, and you know what, if we was a Reina or a Carragher or a Gerrard, he'd want to deliver performances like that every fucking week cos it's in their psyche to be winners and drive themselves forward. Lucas is a different cat. He doesn't have that. Unfortunately now everyone knows how well he can play, they won't let him away with the dross ones.
He didn't wake up on Sunday with footballing abaility he never had before. He's always been capable of playing like he did against Chelsea. The challenge now is to make those performances happen more often.
I've always disputed that he is a "cunt" and/or "fucking shit" because I thought there was a footballer in there somewhere. He's not shit in the slightest, he's clearly a capable footballer. He just seems too happy to drift along, and I'm not sure if that will be eradicated from his game just cos he had one good game against the League Champions.
Apols for the inevitable typos in this post too, I'm typing in a bit of a hurry.
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I would agree with this.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42633.msg1214370#msg1214370 date=1289280765]
I'm not using this as any sort of "conclusive evidence" and I'd be keen to see how you've come to that conclusion.
I've always maintained he was a good player, always. He's got some great attributes. That said, he's struggled to show it more often than not. It has frustrated me endlessly that he doesn't 'do' more. That he doesn't take the game on more, that he (for the most part) seems to be happy to glide through games without leaving an impact on it's proceedings, or by merely just waiting for things to happen to him. I don't see this Chelsea game as some sort of 'moment' whereby all of those problems will somehow be eliminated, in fact I'm quite the opposite. He'll still meander through an awful lot of games doing next to nothing, driving me insane.
The big problem now though is that this performance has amde him a rod for his back. Supporter now will expect him to be like that every week, and you know what, if we was a Reina or a Carragher or a Gerrard, he'd want to deliver performances like that every fucking week cos it's in their psyche to be winners and drive themselves forward. Lucas is a different cat. He doesn't have that. Unfortunately now everyone knows how well he can play, they won't let him away with the dross ones.
He didn't wake up on Sunday with footballing abaility he never had before. He's always been capable of playing like he did against Chelsea. The challenge now is to make those performances happen more often.
I've always disputed that he is a "cunt" and/or "fucking shit" because I thought there was a footballer in there somewhere. He's not shit in the slightest, he's clearly a capable footballer. He just seems too happy to drift along, and I'm not sure if that will be eradicated from his game just cos he had one good game against the League Champions.
Apols for the inevitable typos in this post too, I'm typing in a bit of a hurry.
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I really did miss this response.
That's a very fair summary. I'd be surprised if Brendan disagreed with a lot of that.
Aye, you both are awesome posters...this exchange of "Lucas is shit" "no you are wrong" was getting a bit tedious....apologies if i misrepresented your opinion along the way.
I'm not using this as any sort of "conclusive evidence" and I'd be keen to see how you've come to that conclusion.
I've always maintained he was a good player, always. He's got some great attributes. That said, he's struggled to show it more often than not. It has frustrated me endlessly that he doesn't 'do' more. That he doesn't take the game on more, that he (for the most part) seems to be happy to glide through games without leaving an impact on it's proceedings, or by merely just waiting for things to happen to him. I don't see this Chelsea game as some sort of 'moment' whereby all of those problems will somehow be eliminated, in fact I'm quite the opposite. He'll still meander through an awful lot of games doing next to nothing, driving me insane.
The big problem now though is that this performance has amde him a rod for his back. Supporter now will expect him to be like that every week, and you know what, if we was a Reina or a Carragher or a Gerrard, he'd want to deliver performances like that every fucking week cos it's in their psyche to be winners and drive themselves forward. Lucas is a different cat. He doesn't have that. Unfortunately now everyone knows how well he can play, they won't let him away with the dross ones.
He didn't wake up on Sunday with footballing abaility he never had before. He's always been capable of playing like he did against Chelsea. The challenge now is to make those performances happen more often.
I've always disputed that he is a "cunt" and/or "fucking shit" because I thought there was a footballer in there somewhere. He's not shit in the slightest, he's clearly a capable footballer. He just seems too happy to drift along, and I'm not sure if that will be eradicated from his game just cos he had one good game against the League Champions.
Apols for the inevitable typos in this post too, I'm typing in a bit of a hurry.
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I really did miss this response.
That's a very fair summary. I'd be surprised if Brendan disagreed with a lot of that.
Aye, you both are awesome posters...this exchange of "Lucas is shit" "no you are wrong" was getting a bit tedious....apologies if i misrepresented your opinion along the way.
His piece of play for our goal was superb. Covering the space maxi had left, won the ball back (without going to ground as is his forte) and feeding it to gerrard in the middle of the park.
The rest of his play was pretty much like everyone elses - just ok.
The early booking restricted him a bit but then that's his fault.
The rest of his play was pretty much like everyone elses - just ok.
The early booking restricted him a bit but then that's his fault.
He was dismal.
He made a horrible pass which almost ended up costing us a goal.
He's proved the doubters wrong I see.
Hahahah. Yep.
What a miserably useless cunt
What a miserably useless cunt
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He was dismal.
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He was dismal.
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I gave credit where it was due last week, bit my lip mid-week, and reserve the right to deliver my withering observation today......... He is what I thought an average to below average player who very occasionally punches above his weight , but more often than not is a clueless lightweight
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Regards
Ryan, I agree that the abuse he gets is over the top but he's an average player mate and not good enough for Liverpool.
That doesn't mean he's good enough though.
FACT: Lucas is not good enough for Liverpool!
We all agree on that. However, he is not the worst player week in and out. Konchesky has been but gets a pass on his performances, not to mention Carra. Neither are widely ridiculed.
If we gonna call players out for poor performances then let's judge them accordingly because you're only as good as your last game.
Let's be impartial when calling a spade, a spade!
We all agree on that. However, he is not the worst player week in and out. Konchesky has been but gets a pass on his performances, not to mention Carra. Neither are widely ridiculed.
If we gonna call players out for poor performances then let's judge them accordingly because you're only as good as your last game.
Let's be impartial when calling a spade, a spade!
Great, so we agree that The Cunt is a cunt, but we also have other really shit players like Konchesky and Maxi.
Hooray!
Hooray!
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