And if Sturridge could have done better, as he should have, especially with that header, then we would've won.
Liverpool vs Spurs Match thread
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That header was hard, he was back peddling for it. But the clear chance he had where he shot it straight at the keeper was woeful. A fully fit confident Sturridge would have slotted that home with aplomb.
You are allowing a few blunders by Sakho to obscure the overall view of his defensive contribution which was immense. Of course you are not alone.
He was much improved in the second half.
In the first half he played like he had an advanced case of muscular dystrophy, in one of the most comical, inept, and genuinely *ridiculously* shit displays I've seen from a central defender.
You're not wrong, but I have to admit this made me smirk in light of how you usually judge a Lucas performance.
Sturridge is looking worryingly poor. Perhaps his injuries have taken a greater toll than on previous occasions and it's taking him longer to find his form but he looks slow and a shadow of his former self. The other possibility is that he's simply coasting along til the summer. I don't know which is worse.
Coutinho on the other hand is the only player in this current Liverpool side that is worth the price of admission. Here's hoping we give him some better players to work with next season.
Coutinho on the other hand is the only player in this current Liverpool side that is worth the price of admission. Here's hoping we give him some better players to work with next season.
Yeah I think that was probably the poorest game from him in a while; he'd been on good form this year though. Perhaps that performance was due to the tiredness from the number of games he's played and amount of running he's done. Klopp should've taken Milner off much earlier as he didn't have the legs to run and couldn't pass straight. No doubt Ibe's in poor form right now, but at least a fresh pair of legs could've helped for the off-the-ball work.
The issue for me isn't whether Sakho can have games like that - any defender can have shocking games. The problem is the frequency of these sorts of performances. The way I see Sakho's time at Liverpool is sort of in thirds (give or take some games) -- solid to great a third of the time, mediocre to shit another third, injured the last third.
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On a sidenote, do folks remember the days when Skrtel, Agger, Hyypia and Carragher had to play with top class talents like Traore, Pellegrino, Josemi, Kromkamp, Insua, Dossena, Cissokho, Konchesky, etc.? Luckily for us, they were regularly good enough themselves to still survive with their reputations intact from those disastrous partnerships.
Yeah, that's about right. And we've all been hoping the "good" 3rd is the real Sakho and other things are down to settling issues and injuries, but at this point I don't know... I like Sakho, but have to say really discouraged by this performance. When he had that great game against United I wrote this:
Well, we just saw him against Harry Kane and he was super uncomfortable and panicky. I still have a bit of hope for him left based on some of his past performances and the fact that he is the starting CB for France, but also starting to think that maybe he's just not very good.
I still stand by what I said about Lovren, for all his decent clearances, etc. He was at fault for the goal and that moment in the first half with Kane was ridiculous. So basically the difference is the fact that the first half chance didn't go in, which on another Kane would have buried, so if it had gone in then he'd be at fault for two goals and he's had a bad game. That's the margins we're talking about with him. He can have 80 minutes of playing really well and then be let down completely by moments of stupidity that lead to goals. His defending meant we lost a goal and two points, had the first chance gone in we'd have lost the game.
That's not what I'd call having a good game, it's called just about getting away with it.
That's not what I'd call having a good game, it's called just about getting away with it.
Sakho is a good defender , however he is and always will be a liability .
He's simply awkward on and off the ball and that alone will cost us x over the course of a season. He's never in complete control of his legs and and has the ability to make the the most simple pass look excruciatingly tricky
Saying that , lovren isn't exactly bulletproof either
He's simply awkward on and off the ball and that alone will cost us x over the course of a season. He's never in complete control of his legs and and has the ability to make the the most simple pass look excruciatingly tricky
Saying that , lovren isn't exactly bulletproof either
Nobody doing a post-match or ratings thread? OK, will do a summary here.
1-1 was a pretty fair result. Spurs had more possession and were more accurate in their use of it, while we seemed oddly wasteful, and yet we created some good chances, with Lloris producing two or three very good saves, and Sturridge and Lallana wasting some decent opportunities.
Both sides worked feverishly hard to win back possession, but at times it was too break-neck and hot-blooded; quite often the ball was harried down but then given straight back to the opposition, and Liverpool were more guilty of this than Spurs, who were more in control in general. It's clearly no tragedy to draw against a much better team, but there is still the feeling that we are lacking genuine quality in all areas of the pitch, and the likes of Kane, Dembele and almost their entire defence were much better than anything we have. Thankfully, the remarkable Delle Ali didn't have one of his best games, and our own creative genius scored yet again.
Klopps first game as Liverpool manager was a draw against Spurs, and at the time there was just one point between the sides. How our seasons have diverged since then; Spurs are challenging for the title and increased that gap to a massive 17, while Liverpool are now 9th behind Stoke, while Spurs are second from the top.
How Klopp addresses that gap with his recruitment in summer will be vital for the future of Liverpool. He will need to spend every penny of the sizeable funds he is going to (hopefully?) get from FSG and bring in at least 4, maybe 5 new players.
Mignolet (6) No real chance with the exquisite finish from the brilliant Harry Kane, but as per fucking usual his banana-feet and treacle-slow distribution nearly landed us in trouble on occasion. Made three good saves which you might argue most top keepers should make, but he's still unarguably a talented shot-stopper. Ir's just the rest he can't do.
Moreno (5) Poor first half, with him and Sakho recreating a slapstick comedy floorshow on the left-hand side of the pitch, but better in the second half, and made a great interception late on. His energy and pace make him a real team asset, and I think he is worth persevering with as long as he isn't allowed anywhere near Slackho.
Sakho (3) His first half performance could easily have been soundtracked by Benny Hill. His brain wasn't wired properly to his body, and his fuckwitted disaster area of a performance should have been punished by Spurs. It was like his entire body was constructed of acute angles, which meant any attempt at controlling the ball resulted in the ball pinging off him. It's a good job Spurs couldn't read where he was likely to put the ball any more than his team-mates could. As predicted, had a much improved second half, but we really can't afford to have a player like Sakho in the team. He needs to be fucked off.
Lovren (7) At times he seemed petrified of Kane; backing off and allowing him too much space, and this nervousness allowed Kane the room he needed to score a deserved equaliser. But he was very accomplished too, making several good interceptions and snuffing out attacks with aggressive defensive play. Will probably improve more when we get a reliable top quality CB to play with him next season.
Clyne (6) A few lapses defensively which seems to indicate a bit of tiredness, although this wasn't evident in his attacking play, which was impressive, if not quite up to the standards of the Spurs full-backs.
Henderson (7) Much improved. He was doing more fire-fighting in the first half, thanks to Can and Sakho's profligacy, but he never gave an inch, and matched up well to the very impressive Dembele. He's never going to dominate a game by sheer force of will or quality, he's nevr going to be anything near Gerrard, but his energy and work rate and attitude are valuable attributes. He was holding the midfield together on his own at times.
Can (4) Nervy, wasteful, cumbersome and totally outclassed by Dembele. Lost the battle technically, creatively and physically.
Milner (4) Dropped well below his usual level, and looked very tired indeed. His passing was poor and he seemed leggy. Worked hard, but that's about it.
Lallana (7) His energy and creativity helped alleviate the problems we were having in midfield. Forced two saves from lloris, but it's not really a surprise when he misses, because he's not a good finisher. At times he was bounced off the ball, and some of his tackles were risibly weak, but he never hides and is always looking to create and be involved, and deserves credit for that. Passed the ball well.
Coutinho (8) Here's the one player that would certainly get into the Spurs team on that display, He was inventive, waspishly busy cutting in field, and gave Walker and co a really troubled afternoon. Makes the incisive passes and decisive runs better than anyone else. Scored a lovely goal.
Sturridge (6) Still seems unwilling or incapable of making bursting, driving runs. His undoubted quality was limited to the delightful pass for Coutinho's goal, and one or two moments of brilliantly quick feet to make space, but still not enough genuine goal threat, which we all know he has. Two decent chances, but there is still much more to come if he is to get back to his best at Liverpool.
Subs:
Origi (5). The usual: runs about, doesn't look remotely like he's going to actually score.. He's a quicker n'Gog.
Allen (n/a) I dunno, was only on for 10 minutes.
1-1 was a pretty fair result. Spurs had more possession and were more accurate in their use of it, while we seemed oddly wasteful, and yet we created some good chances, with Lloris producing two or three very good saves, and Sturridge and Lallana wasting some decent opportunities.
Both sides worked feverishly hard to win back possession, but at times it was too break-neck and hot-blooded; quite often the ball was harried down but then given straight back to the opposition, and Liverpool were more guilty of this than Spurs, who were more in control in general. It's clearly no tragedy to draw against a much better team, but there is still the feeling that we are lacking genuine quality in all areas of the pitch, and the likes of Kane, Dembele and almost their entire defence were much better than anything we have. Thankfully, the remarkable Delle Ali didn't have one of his best games, and our own creative genius scored yet again.
Klopps first game as Liverpool manager was a draw against Spurs, and at the time there was just one point between the sides. How our seasons have diverged since then; Spurs are challenging for the title and increased that gap to a massive 17, while Liverpool are now 9th behind Stoke, while Spurs are second from the top.
How Klopp addresses that gap with his recruitment in summer will be vital for the future of Liverpool. He will need to spend every penny of the sizeable funds he is going to (hopefully?) get from FSG and bring in at least 4, maybe 5 new players.
Mignolet (6) No real chance with the exquisite finish from the brilliant Harry Kane, but as per fucking usual his banana-feet and treacle-slow distribution nearly landed us in trouble on occasion. Made three good saves which you might argue most top keepers should make, but he's still unarguably a talented shot-stopper. Ir's just the rest he can't do.
Moreno (5) Poor first half, with him and Sakho recreating a slapstick comedy floorshow on the left-hand side of the pitch, but better in the second half, and made a great interception late on. His energy and pace make him a real team asset, and I think he is worth persevering with as long as he isn't allowed anywhere near Slackho.
Sakho (3) His first half performance could easily have been soundtracked by Benny Hill. His brain wasn't wired properly to his body, and his fuckwitted disaster area of a performance should have been punished by Spurs. It was like his entire body was constructed of acute angles, which meant any attempt at controlling the ball resulted in the ball pinging off him. It's a good job Spurs couldn't read where he was likely to put the ball any more than his team-mates could. As predicted, had a much improved second half, but we really can't afford to have a player like Sakho in the team. He needs to be fucked off.
Lovren (7) At times he seemed petrified of Kane; backing off and allowing him too much space, and this nervousness allowed Kane the room he needed to score a deserved equaliser. But he was very accomplished too, making several good interceptions and snuffing out attacks with aggressive defensive play. Will probably improve more when we get a reliable top quality CB to play with him next season.
Clyne (6) A few lapses defensively which seems to indicate a bit of tiredness, although this wasn't evident in his attacking play, which was impressive, if not quite up to the standards of the Spurs full-backs.
Henderson (7) Much improved. He was doing more fire-fighting in the first half, thanks to Can and Sakho's profligacy, but he never gave an inch, and matched up well to the very impressive Dembele. He's never going to dominate a game by sheer force of will or quality, he's nevr going to be anything near Gerrard, but his energy and work rate and attitude are valuable attributes. He was holding the midfield together on his own at times.
Can (4) Nervy, wasteful, cumbersome and totally outclassed by Dembele. Lost the battle technically, creatively and physically.
Milner (4) Dropped well below his usual level, and looked very tired indeed. His passing was poor and he seemed leggy. Worked hard, but that's about it.
Lallana (7) His energy and creativity helped alleviate the problems we were having in midfield. Forced two saves from lloris, but it's not really a surprise when he misses, because he's not a good finisher. At times he was bounced off the ball, and some of his tackles were risibly weak, but he never hides and is always looking to create and be involved, and deserves credit for that. Passed the ball well.
Coutinho (8) Here's the one player that would certainly get into the Spurs team on that display, He was inventive, waspishly busy cutting in field, and gave Walker and co a really troubled afternoon. Makes the incisive passes and decisive runs better than anyone else. Scored a lovely goal.
Sturridge (6) Still seems unwilling or incapable of making bursting, driving runs. His undoubted quality was limited to the delightful pass for Coutinho's goal, and one or two moments of brilliantly quick feet to make space, but still not enough genuine goal threat, which we all know he has. Two decent chances, but there is still much more to come if he is to get back to his best at Liverpool.
Subs:
Origi (5). The usual: runs about, doesn't look remotely like he's going to actually score.. He's a quicker n'Gog.
Allen (n/a) I dunno, was only on for 10 minutes.
Someone should make a compilation of Sakho's first half accompanied with the Benny Hill theme. Would be rather glorious and very apt.
Can didn't have a good game. I didn't think so when I watched it, and I can't recall any other media reports saying otherwise either.
All our CBs would look better playing behind a world class DM and in front of a world class keeper. Add Mascher and Pepe of 5 years ago and even I'd look decent.
I don't understand why you wish to extend this. It's not like it was great entertainment for anyone the first time around, and you came out of it looking like a twat.
Yes those four were the obvious standouts
Pretty sure you were the one who had four or five other posters telling you you were chatting shit and completely missing the point, and the reason I wish to bring it up again is because it's four or five times you've mentioned how much better Spurs are than us, despite the fact that the game on Saturday highlighted just how similar we are in ability, tactics and personnel, there couldn't have been a better example. Their ability to reproduce that form throughout the entire season is what separates us, but to suggest they're much better than us in the context of a single match is just wrong.
I wasn't missing any point. But I have no interest in continuing this with you, because you quite evidently don't understand it anyway.
I thought we were poor, personally. Some good passages of play, but Spurs seemed to dominate the ball and were quicker and more incisive when breaking from deep. Eriksen, Kane & Dembele would walk into this side on that sort of form, and Rose too, worryingly. They had the extra bit of class, but it was all about Coutinho and Kane really. Contrast their attitude and desire to Sturridge's. His attitude is becoming a problem. If he worked his arse and then got a gob on, I could live with it.
I know it's only a freakin' pipe dream of mine but I'd be thrilled to watch Coutinho and Eriksen team up for us. Industrious, hard-working, elegant, classy players with goals and assists to their names.
We already have Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino, who all play a similar style, in a similar position. Where would you play Eriksen? He's a good player, but he's one of the last I'd pick from Spurs right now.
I'd play him in behind our striker, just as he does for Spurs with Coutinho on our left side - Eriksen can actually also play on the left so they could swap a bit around.
I somewhat agree about the need for a type like him is less important when Coutinho is firing on all cylinders as he did in the weekend I just don't think you can get too much talent in the squad and from where I am sitting Eriksen is in a completely different league than Lallana for instance.
Anyways it's just a pipe dream of mine, I think it would be rather amazing to watch the two alongside each other. For Liverpool. Not Spurs.
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