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Liverpool vs Spurs Match thread

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hamstrung_pigeon said:
That's 2 bad performance in 3 games now for Clyne - I wonder if being an almost ever-present in the team is now starting to take its toll on him. He's already played 43 games for us now, and will have a high octane game against Dortmund in midweek.
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I thought he ducked out of the ball that Eriksen played for the goal, or at least he seemed unaware where the ball was, but generally he was pretty steady. I thought Moreno played ok too, but he's again (like our two centre backs) always a step away from a momentary brainfart which could cost us - he let a player ghost in behind him again today to a high ball, as he seems to do quite regularly.

I know our attackers aren't always firing on all cylinders, but indecision throughout the team stems from 3/4 of a defense that is all over the fucking place. You've got a fullback who can't defend, a left sided centre back who has his feet on the wrong way and a right sided centre back who is prone to switching off. Not good enough and it's the story of our undoing this season.
 
I'm more concerned about Sturridge. He walks around looking like he can't be arsed, he looks heavy-legged and his first touch - normally great even when coming back from a period out of the side - has remained poor since he returned this time, and he's deluded enough to think he shouldn't be subbed.
 
mark1975 said:
Hansern, he got turned for the goal and his defending for the chance in the first half was amateurish, completely poor schoolboy stuff. He's not good enough. He might have had an upturn in form and the odd game he's dominated, but by and large he's a pretty incompetent defender who is living off one good season in the Premiership.

So he "wasn't even close to being poor", yet the one goal we let in he was hugely culpable for. How does that work? He was poor, he excelled in some aspects but was completely let down by his trademark inability to do it for 90 minutes and to generally have at least one catastrophic lapse in him. He had two but got away with the first one.

It's amazing that you were quick to jump on your pet hate Skrtel two weeks ago for his first poor game in ages, but you'll defend a player who's mostly been fucking awful for us.
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Lovren got turned for the goal but had a good game bar that. Skrtel conceded a penalty and was involved in 3 conceded goals in 45 minutes. Bit of a difference in performance.

I think Klopp rates Lovren, at least enough to see him stay in some capacity next season.
He's also one of the players that has improved the most since October.

Skrtel has regressed a lot, is soon 32 years old and on a pretty hefty contract. Its obvious that his best days are behind him. Yes, he's been a great servant to the club and been one of our better CBs in the past but its time to move on. No pet hate just reality.
Lovren can at least get one more sesson in my honest opinon. I think his form since October warrants that.
 
gkmacca said:
I'm more concerned about Sturridge. He walks around looking like he can't be arsed, he looks heavy-legged and his first touch - normally great even when coming back from a period out of the side - has remained poor since he returned this time, and he's deluded enough to think he shouldn't be subbed.
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He looked like he'd had a kick up the arse after half time, because he started holding the ball up, as he did for the goal. I agree though, he looks like a player who thinks he's the superstar who just has to turn up, while the rest of his teammates are letting him down and he can't quite understand why he keeps getting hooked, so he thinks he should make his discontent as blatantly obvious as possible for the cameras. He's starting to get on my tits.
 
Hansern said:
Lovren got turned for the goal but had a good game bar that. Skrtel conceded a penalty and was involved in 3 conceded goals in 45 minutes. Bit of a difference in performance.

I think Klopp rates Lovren, at least enough to see him stay in some capacity next season.
He's also one of the players that has improved the most since October.

Skrtel has regressed a lot, is soon 32 years old and on a pretty hefty contract. Its obvious that his best days are behind him. Yes, he's been a great servant to the club and been one of our better CBs in the past but its time to move on. No pet hate just reality.
Lovren can at least get one more sesson in my honest opinon. I think his form since October warrants that.
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Ask me to choose from Lovren and Skrtel -
Skrtel no question about it.
Regressed? He had one poor game after injury, Lovren is bottom half club player through & through.
 
Sakho performed a couple of his trademark blunders but got away with them. He intercepted a hell of a lot of Spurs crosses the rest of the time.
 
Coutinho was excellent out on that left side. Might be worth continuing with.
Add Firmino in the centre behind Studge and we're looking quite good.
 
Jack D Rips said:
Cant believe the shit Lovren is getting after that performance.
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I thought he was great, and Sakho did make some stupid blunders (two of them - maybe 3) but overall it was good from our defenders.

Apart from that - I thought they would be unworthy winners of the league, and we put a stop to their shit which I enjoyed a lot. Fuck them cunts.

Couthinho was outstanding - he is shining for our team more than anyone else at the moment, bit worried is that someone will come and buy him up in the summer or turn his head. Hope we can keep him - he is our only consistent creative outlet and is capable of scoring too.

Studge -not good enough effort, bit like Benteke in attitude.
 
Portly said:
Sakho performed a couple of his trademark blunders but got away with them. He intercepted a hell of a lot of Spurs crosses the rest of the time.
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but it doesn't make it right though Portly. He makes alot of errors and his jitters breeds uncertainty. Same with Lovren.
 
mark1975 said:
but it doesn't make it right though Portly. He makes alot of errors and his jitters breeds uncertainty. Same with Lovren.
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Indeed.

When Lovren is at his best he looks positively imperious. When Sakho is at the top of his game he looks like he could play at centre back for the French side when they were world beaters.

As Brendan keeps reminding us, & as I've said myself for years, though, consistency is what makes a player step up levels in this league. Unfortunately none of our centre backs (arguable exception of Skrtel) are consistent enough to be guaranteed long term solutions if we want to even be a regular CL side, never mind challenge for the league.

The problem is with CB's it's hard to write someone off. As was pointed out to me recently, henchoz struggled when he wasn't alongside hyypia, so you can find partnerships that work despite shortcomings.
 
Piedro said:
Agreed. He was our best player today. Fucking mad the way some see the game differently. Even Kane's goal, a slight (italic) mistake, but a fucking great finish. He did fuck all else wrong all game and the whole crowd knew it.

Sakho in that first half though. Fucking hell.
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Totally agree. The way Lovren covered up for Sakho's fuck ups was top class.
That backing off against Kane was far from being comical. Sakho loses the ball yet again, and Lovren finds himself facing two Spurs forwards and has to decide if he goes for Kane or for the guy in the middle. I thought he did reasonably well.
A few minutes later - yet again Sakho loses the ball and Kane runs at goal just to be brilliantly blocked by Lovren.
I do think that Lovren has a future with us.
Sakho though is another story...
 
Hansern said:
Yes, if only eh. It wouldnt change anything if he also had played a game like Lovren the rest of the time.
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I'm just enjoying this Lovren wankfest as long as it last. I really don't care to be honest. Still not good enough imo.
 
gkmacca said:
I'm more concerned about Sturridge. He walks around looking like he can't be arsed, he looks heavy-legged and his first touch - normally great even when coming back from a period out of the side - has remained poor since he returned this time, and he's deluded enough to think he shouldn't be subbed.
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And what's with the miserable little tennis clap to the supporters when he comes off.

I believe all great strikers need a little arrogance. But with the very best strikers the arrogance is combined with a burning desire to win games. With Sturridge is often seems like Sturridge is more important than LFC.
 
Comical Aly said:
Hahahaha- we went fucking mental when Maureen did that to stevie.

Not sure about anyone else but I wouldn't have a problem if he was tapping him up. "Let me do for you what I did for lewandowski".
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That's because we knew there was a very real chance Gerrard would join Chelsea, fancied it himself and would win more trophies there than if he stayed at Liverpool.

So I think you can see, right there, how this differs in every single way
 
Modo said:
If only it was Skrtel getting turned by Kane...
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You know as someone who never had a problem with you in the past, I find that you are becoming a monumental pain in the hole.

Incidentally Skrtel probably wouldn't have got turned by Kane because Kane would be lying in a heap on the ground, and then dusting himself off to take the penalty.
 
Entertaining game. Same as most weeks though:

Look the part going forward at times.
Sturridge's attitude is shite.
Sakho is shite. Absolutely fucking woeful that cunt.
Dropped a bit too deep in the second half.
Milner looks tired, I was surprised he didn't bring Ibe on earlier to stretch it a bit.

Top class goals from Kane, and I know he gets all the applause and rightly so but fuck me Dembele is some player. Ran the show.
 
I don't understand why anyone is playing favourites with regards to our CB's.

No matter what, every single one of them invariably looks like a liability on a regular basis. Lovren was definitely the better of the two yesterday, but as Sakho was so goddamn awful it's hardly an indictment.
 
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